Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
:whistle: Speaker of the house, sniffer of the farts, ready with a statement of dumb remarks :whistle:
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
It's crazy to think about the fact that meetings were had amongst her staff on what the statement should be if there was an acquital/conviction/mistrial, and had prepared statements for each
and that's what was decided on.
It's also crazy to think about the idea that there weren't meetings about this, and it was decided 'eh, I'll just wing it'
I don't agree with prisons and I don't think they help, and that's true of cops that murder people too. I don't think sticking this guy in a cage for 20 years will make society or him better or bring back George Floyd. But the conviction is good to see and hopefully will be a catalyst for change, as much as it is a single thing much too late for all of the other victims of this kind of violence. It is upsetting that so many people were so surprised that the jury went against him.
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The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
hey look, a reasonable political statement nancy
god that's so much better
I think Austin Walker (of Waypoint) puts it pretty well here:
"Conflating "being murdered" for "sacrificing your life" is the sort of statement you make when you have no skin in the game and eager to return to peaceable status quo ASAP"
the exact Pelosi quote is actually somehow worse than this tweet: "So again, thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice. For being there to call out to your mom, how heartbreaking was that, call out for your mom, 'I can't breathe.'"
I have been done with peloci for years. that's why it's annoying to hear republicans do their low brow criticisms of her because I don't like her either except for good reasons not stupid own the libs reasons
It would need to happen a hell of a lot more for that to happen. As is, we've gotten one out of dozens of national headline cases, and hundreds of cases we've never even heard about because nobody happened to be there with a phone filming.
This is a type of sentiment that I see somewhat often, in various constructions ("don't let such and such have died in vain" being the most common, and Pelosi's version being especially brazen), and it pisses me off every time. I feel like it really isn't that hard to not say "it's good that you died, actually" to murder victims!
I don't agree with prisons and I don't think they help, and that's true of cops that murder people too. I don't think sticking this guy in a cage for 20 years will make society or him better or bring back George Floyd. But the conviction is good to see and hopefully will be a catalyst for change, as much as it is a single thing much too late for all of the other victims of this kind of violence. It is upsetting that so many people were so surprised that the jury went against him.
I broadly agree with your take on prisons, but I'm don't consider Chauvin to be an appropriate place to start that change.
There's plenty of other people I'm going to worry about getting stuck in our prison system before I get around to killer-cops.
The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
hey look, a reasonable political statement nancy
Fucking Mitt Romney released a better statement than her. So many other Democratic politicians had better statements. She easily could have followed their lead.
the exact Pelosi quote is actually somehow worse than this tweet: "So again, thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice. For being there to call out to your mom, how heartbreaking was that, call out for your mom, 'I can't breathe.'"
Jesus Christ, Pelosi
It's like she's quoting a scene from a movie
This isn't real to her
It also feels vaguely reminiscent of Christian theology, all "hey thanks for sacrificing yourself for our sins Jesus, great job getting murdered for us, we'll do our best for you"
This is a type of sentiment that I see somewhat often, in various constructions ("don't let such and such die in vain" being the most common, and Pelosi's version being especially brazen), and it pisses me off every time. I feel like it really isn't that hard to not say "it's good that you died, actually" to murder victims!
it is incredibly fucking tone deaf
like, i think nearly anyone with half a brain would say "actually I would prefer george floyd was still alive please and thank you"
It would need to happen a hell of a lot more for that to happen. As is, we've gotten one out of dozens of national headline cases, and hundreds of cases we've never even heard about because nobody happened to be there with a phone filming.
The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
hey look, a reasonable political statement nancy
god that's so much better
I think Austin Walker (of Waypoint) puts it pretty well here:
"Conflating "being murdered" for "sacrificing your life" is the sort of statement you make when you have no skin in the game and eager to return to peaceable status quo ASAP"
Yeah, it's a very othering sort of statement. "All black people are virtuous warriors and martyrs for the higher cause of black liberation before which I'm expected to simply stand in awe", rather than "black people are regular humans who are tortured and murdered for literally no reason by a ludicrously cruel society (which I happen to be partially in charge of, oops)".
Don't think Pelosi's response is stupid. I think its insidious. Its something they do constantly. Try to turn the shameful murder of a man just trying to live his life into a act of civil resistance. It feels better if Floyd was a hero and not a victim.
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I absolutely guarantee you that Pelosi sees this as proof that the system largely works. all of those people are clueless.
It's not justice until the police stop murdering people and destroying lives with impunity, is the long and short of it. It's good that this cop faced consequences, if for no other reason than it might bring his family some measure of peace.
That a family had to lose a son, brother and father; that a teenage girl had to film and post a murder, that millions across the country had to organize and march just for George Floyd to be seen and valued is not justice.
And this verdict is not a substitute for policy change.
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and that's what was decided on.
It's also crazy to think about the idea that there weren't meetings about this, and it was decided 'eh, I'll just wing it'
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glad to see pigs face consequences though
What in the ever loving fuck kind of statement is that? Seriously, politicians, all of you. Shut up right now.
"in a way it's good that nancy said it out loud, you rarely get such an unvarnished look at what rich white liberals actually believe"
hey look, a reasonable political statement nancy
god that's so much better
I think Austin Walker (of Waypoint) puts it pretty well here:
"Conflating "being murdered" for "sacrificing your life" is the sort of statement you make when you have no skin in the game and eager to return to peaceable status quo ASAP"
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Jesus Christ, Pelosi
It would need to happen a hell of a lot more for that to happen. As is, we've gotten one out of dozens of national headline cases, and hundreds of cases we've never even heard about because nobody happened to be there with a phone filming.
Very good odds if you're a cop.
I broadly agree with your take on prisons, but I'm don't consider Chauvin to be an appropriate place to start that change.
There's plenty of other people I'm going to worry about getting stuck in our prison system before I get around to killer-cops.
Fucking Mitt Romney released a better statement than her. So many other Democratic politicians had better statements. She easily could have followed their lead.
It's like she's quoting a scene from a movie
This isn't real to her
It also feels vaguely reminiscent of Christian theology, all "hey thanks for sacrificing yourself for our sins Jesus, great job getting murdered for us, we'll do our best for you"
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it is incredibly fucking tone deaf
like, i think nearly anyone with half a brain would say "actually I would prefer george floyd was still alive please and thank you"
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AOC, of course, is on point.
AOC is a member of Congress.
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call it reeducation and it's completely a different thing. easy peasy
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