Also interesting subtitle there. run from the scene?
Didn't a cop get "in trouble" for running away from the Stoneman Douglas High school shooting?
By "in trouble" I mean he had to move to the next county over to become a cop again after losing his job.
Pretty sure he also won a court case that said he had no obligation to try and stop it.
I think that was a different court case, where a guy stopped a guy with a knife on a train and asked for help from some cops that were in an adjacent traincar and they just let him struggle and I think get stabbed while doing nothing but watching in the other traincar.
Also interesting subtitle there. run from the scene?
Didn't a cop get "in trouble" for running away from the Stoneman Douglas High school shooting?
By "in trouble" I mean he had to move to the next county over to become a cop again after losing his job.
Pretty sure he also won a court case that said he had no obligation to try and stop it.
I think that was a different court case, where a guy stopped a guy with a knife on a train and asked for help from some cops that were in an adjacent traincar and they just let him struggle and I think get stabbed while doing nothing but watching in the other traincar.
Loxito v New York City, wherein officer testified that they had hidden from Gelman before and while Loziot was being attacked because they were afraid he had a gun. The judge agreed that the police has "no special duty" to protect Lozito, and that in order to have standing to sue, Lozito would have needed to have direct contact with the police who were hiding in the other car, and the police would have had to have known he was in danger and still chose to ignore him.
That's right, when you're a cop you can say "I was scared so I locked the door and looked away" as an excuse to not do your fucking job.
Edit: the coward cop talking about how other cops are all cowards for not calling him to see how he's been doing since losing his job
"And what I’ve learned about cops is, most of them, I think—how can I say it? I think their attitude is ‘I’m glad it’s not me, and as long as it’s not me, I’m going to just scurry away.’ I mean, I knew a lot of people, and I can count on one hand the people that ever even called me.”
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“I always kept very, very busy. I probably made more arrests than any other Broward deputy,” he says.
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Even though it’s bullshit, they actually arrested me. It’s nothing, nothing of a citizen in this country, when they take your liberty away—take your liberty away for misconduct, for show, and with no probable cause. That’s frightening.
The shooting video autoplays at the top of that detroit free press link, so you know
Thanks for the warning. Could anyone provide me a refresher on which incident this one is since I don't want to see that?
Pulled over for having license plate that didn't match his car, ran away, got tackled facedown, cop turned off his body cam, said "get your hand off my taser" a few times, then shot him in the back of the head.
Yeah, the police do a lot of heinous shit and get away with it. They do less than people think and get punished for it more, though. The status quo is not acceptable, but things are really not as bad as they're made out to be in liberal and leftist spaces. You have to remember that this is a big-ass country and these threads actively push back against information and opinions that aren't salaciously negative.
This is gauche, I will admit that openly. I think it is occasionally worth being gauche, especially when existing within the same space as someone prone to disguising cruelty with a thin veneer of decorum.
But you were right, he did less than people think. And he was punished for it more, by being sworn into the city council in a secret ceremony, a week after a massacre he allowed to happen. Things really aren't as bad as liberal spaces say, you were right, I didn't get it. Conservative spaces like Texas know what's up, this is on me.
I believe there's plenty of issues that are not as bad as "liberal and leftist" spaces make them out to be. Hell i even run across some of that on these very forums.
The absolute deplorable state of American police and it's laughable accountability are definitely not among them.
Yeah, the police do a lot of heinous shit and get away with it. They do less than people think and get punished for it more, though. The status quo is not acceptable, but things are really not as bad as they're made out to be in liberal and leftist spaces. You have to remember that this is a big-ass country and these threads actively push back against information and opinions that aren't salaciously negative.
This is gauche, I will admit that openly. I think it is occasionally worth being gauche, especially when existing within the same space as someone prone to disguising cruelty with a thin veneer of decorum.
But you were right, he did less than people think. And he was punished for it more, by being sworn into the city council in a secret ceremony, a week after a massacre he allowed to happen. Things really aren't as bad as liberal spaces say, you were right, I didn't get it. Conservative spaces like Texas know what's up, this is on me.
You were right, I was wrong, mea culpa.
Yeah, I'd like to see evidence of a police officer being "punished for it more", before I'll accept that claim as true.
Any time a police officer is held to the SAME standard as a member of the public would in a similar situation, is a massive outlier.
I'd like to hear the apparently frequent occurrences where they're held to a higher one.
Well most regular murders go unsolved (in measurable part because many police departments have reduced their detectives and forensic resources in favor of more patrol officers because tickets make money and detectives cost money), so even if the ratio of cop murders:cop convictions is greater than civilian murders:civilian convictions I'm still profoundly unconvinced.
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Who wants to be angry that a Nazi got a payout? It's me, I want to be angry about it!
KENT, Wash. – The City of Kent is paying $1.52 million to a former assistant police chief, who is no longer with the department shortly after being disciplined for posting a Nazi insignia on his office door.
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An internal investigation at the time said Kammerzell knew what he was doing when putting the insignia above his office door nameplate.
You read that right: he posted Nazi insignia on his office door and got a payout for it after he was fired with cause. The system works!
Seattle cops sent 2 swat members to a court house not under their jurisdiction to intimidate the family of someone who was killed by police, because some of the people there called the cop a coward.
Witnesses said some family members made comments to the officer, including calling him a “coward.” His inquest attorney, Ted Buck, said McNew was concerned about what was said and called his sergeant. Two days later, two members of the police department’s SWAT team responded “for purposes of familiarizing themselves with the location in the event SPD may be called to respond.”
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People called him a "coward" so we sent SWAT members to harass family members thereby proving that he is, in fact, a coward. As are we all.
So last night we're watching tv and and both of our phones go off with the super loud Emergency Alert system notification THREE TIMES over the course of an hour and I ask my husband what's going on, is it an Amber Alert? Is it an Emergency Weather Warning?
Neither. It was a Blue Alert.
Which means somewhere, in the state of Tennessee, that would take you over 10 hours to drive from end to end, someone fired a gun at a cop.
Didn't kill the cop. Didn't hit the cop. Just fired a gun at a cop.
Turns out this was a state wide alert, so every fucking cellphone in the state of Tennessee went off with the Emergency Alert system because somewhere someone fired a gun in a cop's direction *once*, supposedly.
What the actual fuck.
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I wasn't aware of the Officer Houston Tipping incident in LA.
Apparently Officer Tipping was playing the part of "the mob" in a training exercise on crowd control, and died as a result of injuries sustained (namely a broken neck). It's been alleged in a lawsuit by his mother that he was beaten.
He also apparently sustained a head injury, a punctured lung, liver damage and broken ribs. The lawyer for his mother did admit the possibility some of the latter could have been from CPR, but also said the injuries in total went beyond that.
Moore also said the department has launched an investigation into the incident and a review of the training in question.
Huffman’s legal claim called on the city to preserve any video of the training, but Moore told The Times on Tuesday that no video of the incident has been identified.
In response to Moore’s comments, Huffman’s attorney, Bradley Gage, said Moore was “either mistaken or misinformed.”
Yeah, they almost certainly did it. And they're working to cover it up.
Why would you record video of a training session? It's not like you would ever want to review what occurred in order to identify what was done correctly and what required further attention or anything.
I wasn't aware of the Officer Houston Tipping incident in LA.
Apparently Officer Tipping was playing the part of "the mob" in a training exercise on crowd control, and died as a result of injuries sustained (namely a broken neck). It's been alleged in a lawsuit by his mother that he was beaten.
He also apparently sustained a head injury, a punctured lung, liver damage and broken ribs. The lawyer for his mother did admit the possibility some of the latter could have been from CPR, but also said the injuries in total went beyond that.
Moore also said the department has launched an investigation into the incident and a review of the training in question.
Huffman’s legal claim called on the city to preserve any video of the training, but Moore told The Times on Tuesday that no video of the incident has been identified.
In response to Moore’s comments, Huffman’s attorney, Bradley Gage, said Moore was “either mistaken or misinformed.”
Yeah, they almost certainly did it. And they're working to cover it up.
I wonder if he had spoken out against the conduct of his fellow officers before.
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Why would you record video of a training session? It's not like you would ever want to review what occurred in order to identify what was done correctly and what required further attention or anything.
Yeah. I’ve done 50 or so training sessions for various new items for federal projects, and every one of them that wasn’t in a secure area had a camera recording, and the ones in secure areas had detailed agendas.
"This is the Baltimore City Police Dept. helicopter unit. Please exit the swimming pool. There is no lifeguard on duty. For your safety, exit the swimming pool.”
Sure, can't afford lifeguards for public pools, but we can have police helicopters buzz by and harass people for being in public pools on the regular.
Baltimore City Councilman Zeke Cohen confirms this isn't an isolated occurance:
I’ve asked BPD not to use their helicopter to chase away kids at the pool. Repeatedly. While I do worry about the safety of children swimming at night without a lifeguard, this ain’t it. Totally excessive. I’m meeting w BPD and Rec and Park next week and plan to address this.
But the BPD spent millions on this sweet surveillance helicopter, if they can't harass children, what else are they going to use it on, traffic on the 8s?
"This is the Baltimore City Police Dept. helicopter unit. Please exit the swimming pool. There is no lifeguard on duty. For your safety, exit the swimming pool.”
Sure, can't afford lifeguards for public pools, but we can have police helicopters buzz by and harass people for being in public pools on the regular.
Baltimore City Councilman Zeke Cohen confirms this isn't an isolated occurance:
I’ve asked BPD not to use their helicopter to chase away kids at the pool. Repeatedly. While I do worry about the safety of children swimming at night without a lifeguard, this ain’t it. Totally excessive. I’m meeting w BPD and Rec and Park next week and plan to address this.
Wouldn't that flight some cost something insane like at least 10k? I'd swear I've even heard numbers like 100k an hour. Helis aren't cheap.
A few weeks ago a report was leaked that the Seattle Police Department didn't have any officers assigned to investigating Sexual Assault cases.
This week, it was announced that a police watch group is looking into this to try and fix the problem so that sexual assault cases will be assigned to police and promptly solved.
Oh, wait, lol no. They are investigating who leaked the report instead. Not enough resources to investigate crimes, just barely enough resources to investigate the person that reported that they don't have enough resources to investigate crimes.
"This is the Baltimore City Police Dept. helicopter unit. Please exit the swimming pool. There is no lifeguard on duty. For your safety, exit the swimming pool.”
Sure, can't afford lifeguards for public pools, but we can have police helicopters buzz by and harass people for being in public pools on the regular.
Baltimore City Councilman Zeke Cohen confirms this isn't an isolated occurance:
I’ve asked BPD not to use their helicopter to chase away kids at the pool. Repeatedly. While I do worry about the safety of children swimming at night without a lifeguard, this ain’t it. Totally excessive. I’m meeting w BPD and Rec and Park next week and plan to address this.
Wouldn't that flight some cost something insane like at least 10k? I'd swear I've even heard numbers like 100k an hour. Helis aren't cheap.
Nah it’s way cheaper than that. 500-1500 per flight hour for smaller one with pilot. For larger ones it can get spendy. But that’s not a very big helicopter.
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So it only costs 500 an hour to pointlessly buzz kids with a copter.
This does not incline me further to them
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So it only costs 500 an hour to pointlessly buzz kids with a copter.
This does not incline me further to them
"The average salary for a Lifeguard is $14.20 per hour in Baltimore, MD."
So, about 35 hours of lifeguarding*, per hour of buzzing people with the helicopter**.
* and providing a service to the community
** to deny a service to the community
You'd need more then one and you might have to pay them a premium of some sort, depending on how good their labour position is. So for the equivalent of keeping the pool open every night you might be able to buzz them every like 3 days or the like. And that's assuming only 1 pool. If you could buzz multiple pools in the course of an hour it might work out cheaper to burn a bunch of fuel for no reason just to harass people every night. Imagine those savings!
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Meanwhile, in Arizona the police state just got a big boon to shut down media and accountability:
The law makes it illegal in Arizona to knowingly video police officers 8 feet (2.5 meters) or closer without an officer's permission.
Obviously this will be upheld by the Supreme Court because cell phones weren't around when the constitution was written. (*flames coming from the side of my face*)
The law makes it illegal in Arizona to knowingly video police officers 8 feet (2.5 meters) or closer without an officer's permission.
Obviously this will be upheld by the Supreme Court because cell phones weren't around when the constitution was written. (*flames coming from the side of my face*)
Cops will simply approach anyone filming to inform them they cannot film them, and they will have come within 8 feet of them to tell them they can't film.
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I think that was a different court case, where a guy stopped a guy with a knife on a train and asked for help from some cops that were in an adjacent traincar and they just let him struggle and I think get stabbed while doing nothing but watching in the other traincar.
Texas police are only distinguishable from soldiers in that they have no set of standards or rules or body that punishes them for crimes
Loxito v New York City, wherein officer testified that they had hidden from Gelman before and while Loziot was being attacked because they were afraid he had a gun. The judge agreed that the police has "no special duty" to protect Lozito, and that in order to have standing to sue, Lozito would have needed to have direct contact with the police who were hiding in the other car, and the police would have had to have known he was in danger and still chose to ignore him.
That's right, when you're a cop you can say "I was scared so I locked the door and looked away" as an excuse to not do your fucking job.
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https://www.menshealth.com/trending-news/a39927553/scot-peterson-parkland-shooting/
Edit: the coward cop talking about how other cops are all cowards for not calling him to see how he's been doing since losing his job
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In the first case what they really did was take credit for other people getting in the water, sooo...even?
The shooting video autoplays at the top of that detroit free press link, so you know
Thanks for the warning. Could anyone provide me a refresher on which incident this one is since I don't want to see that?
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This is gauche, I will admit that openly. I think it is occasionally worth being gauche, especially when existing within the same space as someone prone to disguising cruelty with a thin veneer of decorum.
I am willing to concede that the police do less than people think. They might, for instance, do nothing while children are being killed and then try to paint their inaction as heroism.
But you were right, he did less than people think. And he was punished for it more, by being sworn into the city council in a secret ceremony, a week after a massacre he allowed to happen. Things really aren't as bad as liberal spaces say, you were right, I didn't get it. Conservative spaces like Texas know what's up, this is on me.
You were right, I was wrong, mea culpa.
The absolute deplorable state of American police and it's laughable accountability are definitely not among them.
Yeah, I'd like to see evidence of a police officer being "punished for it more", before I'll accept that claim as true.
Any time a police officer is held to the SAME standard as a member of the public would in a similar situation, is a massive outlier.
I'd like to hear the apparently frequent occurrences where they're held to a higher one.
You read that right: he posted Nazi insignia on his office door and got a payout for it after he was fired with cause. The system works!
No wait, opposite of that.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-swat-sent-to-charleena-lyles-inquest-site-after-confrontation-between-family-and-officer-who-shot-her/
Neither. It was a Blue Alert.
Which means somewhere, in the state of Tennessee, that would take you over 10 hours to drive from end to end, someone fired a gun at a cop.
Didn't kill the cop. Didn't hit the cop. Just fired a gun at a cop.
Turns out this was a state wide alert, so every fucking cellphone in the state of Tennessee went off with the Emergency Alert system because somewhere someone fired a gun in a cop's direction *once*, supposedly.
What the actual fuck.
Dude, this is out of line. Viskod clearly said they missed.
Just like the cops.
Apparently Officer Tipping was playing the part of "the mob" in a training exercise on crowd control, and died as a result of injuries sustained (namely a broken neck). It's been alleged in a lawsuit by his mother that he was beaten.
He also apparently sustained a head injury, a punctured lung, liver damage and broken ribs. The lawyer for his mother did admit the possibility some of the latter could have been from CPR, but also said the injuries in total went beyond that.
So, it's possible there was no ill intent....
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-06-28/lapd-chief-denies-claim-that-officer-who-died-in-training-had-been-beaten
Yeah, they almost certainly did it. And they're working to cover it up.
No dark implications there, nope!
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The situation is indeed very telling. Darkly humorous if it weren’t real
“Of course there is no video of the training session, everyone knows you turn off your body cam before beating a protester to death”
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I wonder if he had spoken out against the conduct of his fellow officers before.
Sure, can't afford lifeguards for public pools, but we can have police helicopters buzz by and harass people for being in public pools on the regular.
Baltimore City Councilman Zeke Cohen confirms this isn't an isolated occurance:
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Wouldn't that flight some cost something insane like at least 10k? I'd swear I've even heard numbers like 100k an hour. Helis aren't cheap.
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This week, it was announced that a police watch group is looking into this to try and fix the problem so that sexual assault cases will be assigned to police and promptly solved.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-watchdog-investigating-leak-of-memo-detailing-sexual-assault-staffing-crisis/
Oh, wait, lol no. They are investigating who leaked the report instead. Not enough resources to investigate crimes, just barely enough resources to investigate the person that reported that they don't have enough resources to investigate crimes.
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This does not incline me further to them
"The average salary for a Lifeguard is $14.20 per hour in Baltimore, MD."
So, about 35 hours of lifeguarding*, per hour of buzzing people with the helicopter**.
* and providing a service to the community
** to deny a service to the community
But if the could hire lifeguards at $14.20 an hour they wouldn't have to buzz them. So call it 25 hours of lifeguarding.
You'd need more then one and you might have to pay them a premium of some sort, depending on how good their labour position is. So for the equivalent of keeping the pool open every night you might be able to buzz them every like 3 days or the like. And that's assuming only 1 pool. If you could buzz multiple pools in the course of an hour it might work out cheaper to burn a bunch of fuel for no reason just to harass people every night. Imagine those savings!
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/09/1110659827/arizonas-law-limits-filming-police
Obviously this will be upheld by the Supreme Court because cell phones weren't around when the constitution was written. (*flames coming from the side of my face*)
Cops will simply approach anyone filming to inform them they cannot film them, and they will have come within 8 feet of them to tell them they can't film.
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