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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Is a town manager something like a mayor for a town not big enough to have a mayor? I don't understand what the title means.

    Nah. It’s usually an appointed/hired position in addition to the mayor. Their job is administrative day-to-day work to keep the town running and they usually have no involvement in the politics or policy making of the town.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Is a town manager something like a mayor for a town not big enough to have a mayor? I don't understand what the title means.

    Nah. It’s usually an appointed/hired position in addition to the mayor. Their job is administrative day-to-day work to keep the town running and they usually have no involvement in the politics or policy making of the town.

    As someone who has worked for a small city's government for half a decade, I'd say our city manager is more powerful than our mayor.

    That is at least the perception within city employees.

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    a lot of towns/cities that use a commission/council model will appoint a manager essentially to do the day to day admin/exec stuff; sort of a mayor, but subservient to the elected council

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    a lot of towns/cities that use a commission/council model will appoint a manager essentially to do the day to day admin/exec stuff; sort of a mayor, but subservient to the elected council

    Which there's good and bad to this imo. In Austin we have a weak mayor/council model so the City Manager has a lot of power in running the City and getting things done. The Police Chief reports to him, both unelected positions, so when there are problems with the Police the City Council has to get after the City Manager to deal with it and if they don't...the only they can do is fire the City Manager.

    It's possible the police department didn't like the idea of having to report to this new city manager, hence the mass resignation.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Is a town manager something like a mayor for a town not big enough to have a mayor? I don't understand what the title means.

    Nah. It’s usually an appointed/hired position in addition to the mayor. Their job is administrative day-to-day work to keep the town running and they usually have no involvement in the politics or policy making of the town.

    As someone who has worked for a small city's government for half a decade, I'd say our city manager is more powerful than our mayor.

    That is at least the perception within city employees.

    Can confirm. In a City Manager system, the mayor basically functions as the Chief Cat Wrangler/City Council President. They actually have virtually zero power compared to the City Manager, who can fire people willy-nilly and allocate resources as they see fit. City Manager systems are extremely bad because they put executive power in the hands of an unelected administrative functionary who doesn't answer to the public in any way except for the occasional """uncomfortable""" meeting with city councilors. No one should use them.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    American government systems are a confusing mix of synonyms, bullshit treaties, and foreign legacies.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    American government systems are a confusing mix of synonyms, bullshit treaties, and foreign legacies.

    And nepotism. You can't forget nepotism.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    and can't forget the racism

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    They said American

    The racism is implied inherent

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    OdinOdin Registered User regular
    Some good news for once

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62427546
    Four US police officers have been arrested and charged over the fatal 2020 shooting of Breonna Taylor.

    Only one officer involved in the raid - former Louisville detective Brett Hankinson - had been previously charged over the case.

    But Mr Hankinson, who fired 10 shots during the incident, was acquitted by a jury earlier this year. He is among the four people to face new charges through the US Department of Justice.

    The others are Joshua Jaynes, also a former officer, and serving officers Kelly Hanna Goodlett and Kyle Meany.

    Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the new charges. He said the officers were being charged with civil rights offenses, unlawful conspiracy, unconstitutional use of force and obstruction.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Is it wrong that my first thought is "what new law will judges cook up to make them immune for this"?

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Is it wrong that my first thought is "what new law will judges cook up to make them immune for this"?

    For what it is worth, this is an old process. It happened here about 15ish years ago now I guess. It was over the Danzinger Bridge Massacre. The federal prosecutor brought the same, or substantially similar charges as I recall off-hand. It ended in a serious sentence for the cops at first. The prosecutor did some really stupid, and weird shit outside of the court room that fucked that all up though. Basically trolling the comments of local news stories about the case and the like. So as long as they don't get a complete fuck-up as prosecutor there is cause for hope.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I need to rewatch extra credits' sci fi history thing so i can get a clear definition of the man of action archetype that got interwoven with military fiction and then police fiction to the point that it police dogma in the public eye got woven together with racial dogma and several other dogmas i know of but cannot name

    Because ununiformed ununiformed unannounced police officers performing no knock warrants in the dead of night Utilizing out of date information looks suspiciously like Call of Duty levels

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Mar-a-Lago getting raided wasn't the only fun legal development today. The sentencing in the hate crime/civil rights case for the 3 guys that killed Ahmaud Arbery finished up.

    Both of the McMichaels got life, to go along with their life sentences from the murder itself, and their chucklefuck friend that followed them and filmed it on his phone got 35 years.

    The father and son duo also had their request for transfer to federal prison denied and so will stay in Georgia.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    The fact the guy actually had to fly out here on these bogus charges from a place that never had any jurisdiction to issue those charges is beyond the pale. The moment it came across the judge's desk case should have been dismissed with prejudice and at least one rich bastard arrested by federal for the blatant attempt.

    Edit: And THIS is why journalism must continue to be free to report on this kind of corruption. Because when it's brought to light everyone can see and act.

    https://abc7news.com/batmobile-raid-san-mateo-sheriff-sam-anagnostou-da-may-throw-out-case/12101778/

    Racop's bank account is still frozen what the absolute fuck.

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    UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    i hope he is able to counterclaim for abuse of process or whatever, the buyer certainly has deep pockets

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    the batmobile builder is a minister too

    you gotta have some big friends to go after a dang preacher in the states

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    the batmobile builder is a minister too

    you gotta have some big friends to go after a dang preacher in the states

    I think the fact that his friends are small is the issue

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Not actual news, but found this article about a forensic lab managing to repair their reputation after being separated from the police department:
    Peter Stout’s buoyant presence cuts a sharp contrast to his grisly work as head of the Houston Forensic Science Center. Defying the typical laboratory white, Stout is dressed in hues of blue with bright teal armadillo socks peeking out of brown Oxfords.

    His independent crime lab, dubbed the country’s worst in local and national news reports in the 2000s, separated long ago from its roots within the Houston Police Department. Under Stout’s leadership, it has transformed from a failed forensic lab with a leaky roof, staffed with under-qualified employees who lied about their credentials, and caused wrongful convictions into one of America’s most independent and respected public crime labs.
    Just having independence from the police means that suddenly, getting convictions is not the most important thing. So, can reject junk science and biased procedures and judge things based on merit:
    Stout occasionally finds himself questioning techniques used in Harris County courts, which have been plagued by catastrophic case backlogs produced both by Hurricane Harvey and the pandemic. He recently took a stand against the local district attorney’s risky method of introducing prior convictions in court, which relies on a fingerprint examiner from the sheriff’s department rolling the defendant’s prints and conducting an eyeball comparison with paper fingerprint records from older convictions involving people with the same name. “This leaves the examiner doing an exam in the situation that is the definition of suspect-driven conclusion bias,” Stout said.

    Recently, the sheriff’s department suggested the Houston lab’s fingerprint examiners do those comparisons. Stout refused. “I’m not going to do that procedure,” Stout said. “It’s wrongheaded. It’s just asking for problems.”
    That includes garbage tacticool procedures from TV shows that police still insisto to use even though they do not work:
    As a result of his principles and lab policies, Stout and his employees avoid what they consider dubious forensics. When asked to take over the police department’s polygraph operations, the lab’s board refused given that the so-called “lie detectors” have so little scientific merit that they are not permitted in federal courts at all. The lab also declines to conduct “trace tests” such as comparing samples of a suspect’s hair or clothing fibers to samples found at crime scenes—tests that he says are costly to get right and have been tied to wrongful convictions.
    Yes, yes, this is just a patchjob, the fact that polygraph tests are still legal at all is a travesty, I know. And yet, even the results of that patchjob are still impressive:
    At least 179 Texans have been exonerated since 1993 because of flawed or misleading forensic evidence, according to a national registry kept by the University of Michigan School of Law. Of those, 115 were in Harris County.

    The article has the details, how the interwoving between the crime lab on the police ended up is a massive scandal, since the connection means that "the science" became less about finding out what actually happened and more about scoring convictions for the police, with the expected disastrous results:
    “As a natural course of things, the lab analysts would have access to information that as a neutral lab, you shouldn’t. And it might put the thumb on the scale a little bit about what results were expected,” said Bob Wicoff, a criminal defense attorney now with the Harris County Public Defender’s Office.

    In the 2000s, lab officials came under fire for “scientifically unsound” practices. Several lab employees were fired and, at one point, the lab was forced to partially shut down amid “significant and pervasive” problems with the DNA and serology tests it conducted. Wicoff and others represented multiple exonerees who had been wrongfully convicted because of the lab’s poor practices—including Josiah Sutton, who was freed in 2004 after serving four and a half years of the 25-year sentence for a rape he did not commit.

    Ultimately, Wicoff and others reviewed hundreds of cases and reforms followed.

    In 2014, city officials cleaved the lab from the police department and established an independent board of directors to oversee it. The founding board included exoneree George Rodriguez and Nicole Casarez, a lawyer renowned for helping to free an innocent man from Texas’ death row. “The board members were responsible for hiring scientists to run the lab. So the lab would be run by scientists, overseen by a diverse board… and accountable to the citizens,” Casarez said.

    That board hired Stout.

    Once more is proven that accountability is not just holding police departments responsible, but also taking away from them powers that were integrated to them over the years. Of course, is Texas, so is not like there's going to be state-wide legislation to make that the standard anytime soon, but it shows a guideline on how to do so.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular


    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Not actual news, but found this article about a forensic lab managing to repair their reputation after being separated from the police department:
    Peter Stout’s buoyant presence cuts a sharp contrast to his grisly work as head of the Houston Forensic Science Center. Defying the typical laboratory white, Stout is dressed in hues of blue with bright teal armadillo socks peeking out of brown Oxfords.

    His independent crime lab, dubbed the country’s worst in local and national news reports in the 2000s, separated long ago from its roots within the Houston Police Department. Under Stout’s leadership, it has transformed from a failed forensic lab with a leaky roof, staffed with under-qualified employees who lied about their credentials, and caused wrongful convictions into one of America’s most independent and respected public crime labs.
    Just having independence from the police means that suddenly, getting convictions is not the most important thing. So, can reject junk science and biased procedures and judge things based on merit:
    Stout occasionally finds himself questioning techniques used in Harris County courts, which have been plagued by catastrophic case backlogs produced both by Hurricane Harvey and the pandemic. He recently took a stand against the local district attorney’s risky method of introducing prior convictions in court, which relies on a fingerprint examiner from the sheriff’s department rolling the defendant’s prints and conducting an eyeball comparison with paper fingerprint records from older convictions involving people with the same name. “This leaves the examiner doing an exam in the situation that is the definition of suspect-driven conclusion bias,” Stout said.

    Recently, the sheriff’s department suggested the Houston lab’s fingerprint examiners do those comparisons. Stout refused. “I’m not going to do that procedure,” Stout said. “It’s wrongheaded. It’s just asking for problems.”
    That includes garbage tacticool procedures from TV shows that police still insisto to use even though they do not work:
    As a result of his principles and lab policies, Stout and his employees avoid what they consider dubious forensics. When asked to take over the police department’s polygraph operations, the lab’s board refused given that the so-called “lie detectors” have so little scientific merit that they are not permitted in federal courts at all. The lab also declines to conduct “trace tests” such as comparing samples of a suspect’s hair or clothing fibers to samples found at crime scenes—tests that he says are costly to get right and have been tied to wrongful convictions.
    Yes, yes, this is just a patchjob, the fact that polygraph tests are still legal at all is a travesty, I know. And yet, even the results of that patchjob are still impressive:
    At least 179 Texans have been exonerated since 1993 because of flawed or misleading forensic evidence, according to a national registry kept by the University of Michigan School of Law. Of those, 115 were in Harris County.

    The article has the details, how the interwoving between the crime lab on the police ended up is a massive scandal, since the connection means that "the science" became less about finding out what actually happened and more about scoring convictions for the police, with the expected disastrous results:
    “As a natural course of things, the lab analysts would have access to information that as a neutral lab, you shouldn’t. And it might put the thumb on the scale a little bit about what results were expected,” said Bob Wicoff, a criminal defense attorney now with the Harris County Public Defender’s Office.

    In the 2000s, lab officials came under fire for “scientifically unsound” practices. Several lab employees were fired and, at one point, the lab was forced to partially shut down amid “significant and pervasive” problems with the DNA and serology tests it conducted. Wicoff and others represented multiple exonerees who had been wrongfully convicted because of the lab’s poor practices—including Josiah Sutton, who was freed in 2004 after serving four and a half years of the 25-year sentence for a rape he did not commit.

    Ultimately, Wicoff and others reviewed hundreds of cases and reforms followed.

    In 2014, city officials cleaved the lab from the police department and established an independent board of directors to oversee it. The founding board included exoneree George Rodriguez and Nicole Casarez, a lawyer renowned for helping to free an innocent man from Texas’ death row. “The board members were responsible for hiring scientists to run the lab. So the lab would be run by scientists, overseen by a diverse board… and accountable to the citizens,” Casarez said.

    That board hired Stout.

    Once more is proven that accountability is not just holding police departments responsible, but also taking away from them powers that were integrated to them over the years. Of course, is Texas, so is not like there's going to be state-wide legislation to make that the standard anytime soon, but it shows a guideline on how to do so.

    What's the $5 college word to describe all fun, logic, and order in a system gradually turning to rot and vice?

    I wanna say entropy but that feels too easy a thing to sum up SWAT teams pimping from the BPD offices or https://apnews.com/article/shootings-mississippi-veterans-us-drug-enforcement-administration-bc9d8e9152f3b46cf4555010eda0735d

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    So it seems this happened last month, around the time we were discussing the murder of a person over goddamn water guns, but is just now making the rounds:

    Denver police shot a man after he put his hands up and disarmed, shooting not only him but multiple other bystanders who were behind him:

    https://www.denverpost.com/2022/08/17/denver-police-lodo-shooting-body-camera-victims/

    https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/three-victims-still-healing-physically-emotionally-one-month-after-lodo-police-shooting

    I won’t link the tweets of the body cam footage of the shooting for obvious reasons of “No one needs to inline watching folks get fucking shot”

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Cops committing mass shootings themselves now, huh.

    Fan-fucking-tastic.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Cops committing mass shootings themselves now, huh.

    Fan-fucking-tastic.

    Hey now, that’s unfair.

    Cops have been shooting bystanders for at least a decade or more!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/just-how-many-bystanders-did-new-york-police-shoot/324299/


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    MidniteMidnite Registered User regular
    okay it's the same story, for a second I thought Denver PD did a second mass shooting.

    Anyway here's a Republican group in Alabama stealing a piece of art about how the Republicans are white supremacists to dog whistle:



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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62654668
    Peter Skandalakis, the prosecutor assigned to the case, said on Tuesday that the shooting was justified because the Taser would be considered a deadly weapon.
    isn't it interesting how tasers are a safe and effective way for police to non-leathaly subdue suspects, but in the hands of a black man become lethal weapons?

    I wonder why they work that way

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Y'all might want to sit down for this one.

    Leaked Oath Keepers’ list includes hundreds of cops, dozens of elected officials
    In a report published this week, COE identified 373 people in the Oath Keepers database believed to be active law enforcement officers, 117 people who seem to be currently serving in the military, and 81 public officials who either currently hold or are running for public office in 2022.

    COE’s report says that the hundreds of people identified as likely active law enforcement was “far higher than any previously identified number of extremists within law enforcement,” and, though much lower, the discovery of dozens of elected officials is “deeply concerning.”

    Shocking.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    These reports keep coming out every few months about how law enforcement agencies have a bunch of white supremacists in their ranks

    Pretty cool that there is a plan to massively expand the size and scope of law enforcement across the country, but without addressing this

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/yLUYstjXGiQ

    I was looking for another clip about a similar scene when I found this 1. While it is still propaganda in favor of police, a lot of old cop shows feel like they're swinging against against modern police forces and modern Conservatism

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Y'all might want to sit down for this one.

    Leaked Oath Keepers’ list includes hundreds of cops, dozens of elected officials
    In a report published this week, COE identified 373 people in the Oath Keepers database believed to be active law enforcement officers, 117 people who seem to be currently serving in the military, and 81 public officials who either currently hold or are running for public office in 2022.

    COE’s report says that the hundreds of people identified as likely active law enforcement was “far higher than any previously identified number of extremists within law enforcement,” and, though much lower, the discovery of dozens of elected officials is “deeply concerning.”

    Shocking.

    Honestly, it really was for me. The first time I read it I just couldn't believe how low it is. I expected way more than 400. I guess they just don't want to deal with a bunch of amateurs when they are already in the pros.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Name those bastards, you cowards

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Y'all might want to sit down for this one.

    Leaked Oath Keepers’ list includes hundreds of cops, dozens of elected officials
    In a report published this week, COE identified 373 people in the Oath Keepers database believed to be active law enforcement officers, 117 people who seem to be currently serving in the military, and 81 public officials who either currently hold or are running for public office in 2022.

    COE’s report says that the hundreds of people identified as likely active law enforcement was “far higher than any previously identified number of extremists within law enforcement,” and, though much lower, the discovery of dozens of elected officials is “deeply concerning.”

    Shocking.

    Honestly, it really was for me. The first time I read it I just couldn't believe how low it is. I expected way more than 400. I guess they just don't want to deal with a bunch of amateurs when they are already in the pros.

    The total membership of the Oathkeepers is supposed around 38,000 so yeah, I agree that I would expect more than 1 in 10 to be law enforcement. Maybe the key part iis that it doesn't factor in former law enforcement?

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Apparently joe Friday only fired his gun to kill twice in the series.....

    Pretty sure svu, blue bloods, and csi hit that number halfway through a season

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    SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Y'all might want to sit down for this one.

    Leaked Oath Keepers’ list includes hundreds of cops, dozens of elected officials
    In a report published this week, COE identified 373 people in the Oath Keepers database believed to be active law enforcement officers, 117 people who seem to be currently serving in the military, and 81 public officials who either currently hold or are running for public office in 2022.

    COE’s report says that the hundreds of people identified as likely active law enforcement was “far higher than any previously identified number of extremists within law enforcement,” and, though much lower, the discovery of dozens of elected officials is “deeply concerning.”

    Shocking.

    Honestly, it really was for me. The first time I read it I just couldn't believe how low it is. I expected way more than 400. I guess they just don't want to deal with a bunch of amateurs when they are already in the pros.

    This is just the ones that ended up on the list. You know there are a shitload more that are sympathetic but haven't signed up.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Apparently joe Friday only fired his gun to kill twice in the series.....

    Pretty sure svu, blue bloods, and csi hit that number halfway through a season

    Dragnet is still a form of copaganda.

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-11/white-people-used-police-brutality-los-angeles-most-segregated-city-in-america

    LAPD were bastards in the 50s too

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Apparently joe Friday only fired his gun to kill twice in the series.....

    Pretty sure svu, blue bloods, and csi hit that number halfway through a season

    Dragnet is still a form of copaganda.

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-11/white-people-used-police-brutality-los-angeles-most-segregated-city-in-america

    LAPD were bastards in the 50s too

    Absolutely, but the math that you get from what the model cop show of that era compared to this era and you get.....

    Culturally, regarding police and media, the tail wags the dog.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, the forms of bastardry are a bit different, but no less evil

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Yeah, the forms of bastardry are a bit different, but no less evil

    Nah, what I mean is the police and the media have a relationship

    And its hard to tell if the police gospel of theie power influenced this narrative of "cop getting things done by bending the rules" in media

    Or

    If media hunger for darker narrative and pushing the envelope developed into life imitating art? I.e. punisher logos

    Yes. People are evil assholes, but who pushed who further

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    it can be both things IMO, it goes both ways at the same time

    that said I think the institution of policing started out worse than it was portrayed, and fictional police were always more an idealized version

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