Yeah. Especially since the upgrading element applies to every god damned individual weapon, and the amount of materials needed for even middle tier upgrades on higher level weapons can get spicy.
I assume that's commonly known, but for someone diving into the game I felt it was worth reiterating. As in, you can set it to story mode with no loot destruction and it can still take a good day+ to farm up the materials for the legendary weapons. Oh, this thing drops 2-3 of an item? You need 9 of them. And the creature itself is a semi-rare spawn (Apex version for example).
They could have cut the crafting costs in half and it still would've taken some effort without being a straight up chore. Especially once you get to the point in gear and skill where you can do the fight, but it can take so long that anything to speed up the process.
I will say, I loved the game. There were some other issues (I felt the skill trees were a hair too big and broad for what was given, didn't like that the tripcaster skill to put them down instantly also made them despawn in like 30 seconds when it should have just been a nice quality of life improvement as well as a combat option), but it's a gorgeous game with a setting I love and fighting robot dinosaurs as a badass ginger warrior isn't getting old anytime soon.
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Absolutely loved the machine on machine action. Was much less impressed with the arena battles for the last two bosses. I decided to turn the last one to story because I used every bit of healing crap to deal with the first guy. I was definitely in the idgaf mentality at that point. Nemesis should be its own game, I hope they don't cram it into the DLC.
1.1 just dropped. Tons of great improvements, some I've already noticed and are making a difference.
Dying now only drops natural resources in the death backpack, in all difficulty modes.
You no longer drop any crafted items when you die.
Durability damage on death increased from 5% to 10% in Medium difficulty (still 0% in Mild and 10% in Woah)
When a player dies in the pond depths, their backpack will be teleported to the top of the pond.
Buildings now give back 100% of their resources when destroyed or recycled by the player.
The "Nearby Storage" range has been doubled from 10 centimeters to 20 centimeters.
Base buildings can be built using ingredients directly from nearby grass and stem pallets within a 40 centimeter range.
The HotPouch now supports 3 sets of favorites that you can swap through while running around the yard. Have more items and gear ready to quickly use or swap out.
On top of new mushroom stairs, half stairs, extra row of inventory space, and the ZIP.R.
Killing an animal that drops meat will now give jerky if you use a salty weapon or cooked meat if you use a spicy weapon. Nice change for long expeditions.
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It's worth going through the release notes. Some of the nicest thing, in my opinion, were buried in there.
- You can now name trail markers
- Peeping previously peep'd creatures will now bring up their creature cards
- You can now exclude individual containers from the Drop All In Nearby action.
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I'm still making my way through this. I got to the westernmost part of the map which is probably the most cool place in the game to me. Love it.
I also want to say that either the game is bugged or a designer didn't think this through. You need a lot of Fireclaw Sack Webbing to upgrade late game weapons etc.
You meet some through quests but otherwise - there are only two spawn sites. They are always, 100%, every time, Apex level 60. Always. I am max level and they one hit kill me. Fun! (Story mode)
- Tie em down with elite ropecaster
- hit them specifically in armor with freeze arrows till they freeze (needs to be armor or else the tie down meter goes down too fast
- whip out your best boltblaster and nail it with a sustained burst
- lather rinse repeat if you don't have legendary gear
I think I posted a video on this topic a few pages back
Thank you for the tips!
I’ll check this out if I get around to it. I guess the issue for me then is I don’t have any upgraded ropecasters, because they didn’t seem to work at tying down even the most basic scout machines early in the game. I guess again because how overdone the progression system is.
You aren't alone. Ropecasters weren't part of my playstyle during HZD so I didn't really use them in FW either till I learned of this strategy, so none of my ropecasters were upgraded either. IIRC, the video in my earlier post points out alternative lower grade weapons you can still use effectively, just might have to do the strategy twice to inflict enough damage. Same strategy is pretty useful for Dreadwings too.
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Even on hard, I found that freezing an enemy and then dumping a magazine of the boltblaster in slow-motion with boosted damaged for bullet time and consecutive hits took care of basically everything, if I was just looking to kill it. Even the second-to-last game boss went down in about one salvo for me; they were still flying at me for their first attack when the fight ended.
And yeah, they definitely unbalanced the gameplay from trying to nerf the gameplay of the original too hard. They nerfed the ropecaster significantly, then also tend to constantly throw more enemies at you. Enemies constantly try to crawl on top of you, which really sucks with the nerfed time slowing. They try to offset it with more effective melee combat but honestly, the melee combat still wasn't there; the damage was too low and it was still too simple. They didn't like people being able to rapid-fire the bow for high DPS, so they split off another bow specifically for rapid-fire. And then also had elemental bows. And regular bow. And sniper bows. Elemental variation is good, but you were just expected to carry way too much variation; six weapons with multiple ammo types each got to be pretty tedious. Some of the new "elements" were fun, but it could be tough to tell if some of them were even really doing anything. And there were a couple that were just kinda useless.
I mean, I obviously didn't hate it because I played for 80 hours by the time I finished, but I did get plenty of experience with the weak points of the combat.
Even on hard, I found that freezing an enemy and then dumping a magazine of the boltblaster in slow-motion with boosted damaged for bullet time and consecutive hits took care of basically everything, if I was just looking to kill it. Even the second-to-last game boss went down in about one salvo for me; they were still flying at me for their first attack when the fight ended.
And yeah, they definitely unbalanced the gameplay from trying to nerf the gameplay of the original too hard. They nerfed the ropecaster significantly, then also tend to constantly throw more enemies at you. Enemies constantly try to crawl on top of you, which really sucks with the nerfed time slowing. They try to offset it with more effective melee combat but honestly, the melee combat still wasn't there; the damage was too low and it was still too simple. They didn't like people being able to rapid-fire the bow for high DPS, so they split off another bow specifically for rapid-fire. And then also had elemental bows. And regular bow. And sniper bows. Elemental variation is good, but you were just expected to carry way too much variation; six weapons with multiple ammo types each got to be pretty tedious. Some of the new "elements" were fun, but it could be tough to tell if some of them were even really doing anything. And there were a couple that were just kinda useless.
I mean, I obviously didn't hate it because I played for 80 hours by the time I finished, but I did get plenty of experience with the weak points of the combat.
define fun? I mean yeah Plasma was a kinda neat mechanic, but the problem is it just doesn't do much damage compared to freezing. So I think it was pointless to use it outside of I think one of the fixed loadout arena matches. Fire damage used to be pretty decent on some enemies in HZD but that got a nerf too. Adhesive and Purgewater were just....there. I don't think I used Adhesive once yet, and I think I used the purgewater effect....once I think. Even blast slings which I used a lot in HZD became nerfed because of the ammunition limitations as stuff became out of your reach once it was sent to your stash. I used to occasionally spam blastbombs on some enemies....nah, not much point now. Same with tripcasters and their new limitations.
I was assuming they would make the new element types pretty OP to induce you to use them more, but....they weren't. I think I completely avoided spike throwers until late game when I found out they were pretty much required, again in one of the fixed loadout arena challenges, but even now I only really use them on Stormbirds because of the aerial damage perk on the Skykiller. So I just never felt compelled to use many of the new weapons outside of arena challenges where they were basically required. The vast majority of my playtime was with hunter bows, elemental bows, and maybe the occasional sharpshot bow or whatever had good tearblast ammo. resources to make ammunition for those things were cheap and plentiful whereas you ran out pretty quick if you spammed other ammo types.
Purgewater is good when you have a strategy that would work but the damn thing's immune to whatever (usually freeze). Purge, freeze, then damage.
Adhesive didn't give you the total immobility of ropecasters, but it made it a lot easier to slow them down.
Plasma was just too complicated, especially since I never found a good weapon for applying it. Using it meant giving up a weapon slot I found more useful with something else.
I am a casual/low-skill player but for me Purgewater was a go-to fight opener against any of the larger machines, not because it removed their elemental immunities, but because it shuts down their elemental attacks. A clean 30 seconds where a Slitherfang or Tideripper is not facerolling through its annoyingly long menu of AoE or highly accurate ranged bullshit, so I can do literally anything but “dodge! and …dodge! and try, try, try to hit that exposed compo-fuck time to roll to cover and burn a Cleanse potion”, etc. etc. is absolutely worth investing in Purgewater upgrades for a bow. At least to me it was.
What did folks do for "elemental" weapons and such? Now that I unlocked them, I'm not sure what should I be doing with them. Are there specific weapons that match with elements best? I figure the Mint Mace has that covered, so maybe fresh slash/chop/poke as a backup? Same for the others?
Also what tier 3 armor did you use? Tier 2 seemed easier with Spider or Ladybug, but I'm not sure what a good end game armor would be.
So the DLC is PS5 exclusive? That's annoying, having just bought this for the PS4
It's PS5 only? Fuck.
I'd cheerfully buy one if I could get my hands on one.
When I got mine a little over a year ago from Best Buy, it remained in stock for like 15-20 minutes after I was notified before I was able to get it in my cart and check out. They also have a sort of queue system. Huh, looks like even amazon implemented an invite system. but yeah I get the impression that it still helps greatly to sign up for one of those notification discords that automatically @ you when it comes in stock.
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Wow, PS5-only is a real fucking stupid requirement for the DLC. I would happily have purchased a PS5 anytime in the last couple of years if they had any availability. It's not even a new console at this point.
So not only is this a stupid tax to play the DLC, it's a tax I can't even pay because the system still doesn't exist except largely for scalpers.
Yeah, this is like the DLC for FF7R, which was notably lacking narrow spaces to squeeze through for twenty seconds while the next area loads.
It'd be business-idiocy to be able to do this DLC for PS4 and then choose not to (as said, they're already selling consoles as fast as they can make them, there's no need to encourage it further), so the only sensible reason is if it actually can't handle it, and they know it.
edit: (also for anyone in the UK, Amazon have the digital console in stock at the moment)
Ugh, that tempers my enthusiasm a bit, seeing as I'm also still on a PS4 Pro.
While availability has markedly improved in my area, they're hardly easy to come by still. I've had several in carts and just didn't pull the trigger, because it seems one of the only ways to reduce the scalpers from snapping them all up is to put them in big bundles for nearly a grand Canadian (after taxes) for a disc edition with a game I don't want, an extra controller, and some other peripherals (chargers or stands or whatever).
This is further complicated in that the PS5 edition of the game I play the most by orders of magnitude (Apex Legends) actually has version specific bugs that mean many players with 5's are just running the 4 era version anyways.
Sony has said they plan to ship tens of millions of 5's next year, and rumours are there may even be a Slim version coming out mid/late 2023.
It's not an insurmountable challenge, and part of it is just me holding out for the day I can ideally walk into a Best Buy and snap up a PS5 Digital off a shelf and take it home without spending 50% extra on features/stuff I don't want while I'm at it.
I'm sure it'll be nice for them to officially make the generation change stick in a more substantial manner, and I get that Sony is hardly able to dictate terms that'd negate the chip shortage, global shipping catastrophuck, and everything else going on here.
Though it'd be really nice if more distributors made even a token effort to reduce the 'why are 2 guys standing outside of that store with like half a dozen fucking PS5's?' that I've seen a few times over the years. Straight up 'intent to distribute' right there, and it's only exacerbating the situation.
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PS5s have been plentiful this holiday season. Like, I get it if you don't have $400-500 to blow on a console right now, but availability has been a LOT better.
PS5s have been plentiful this holiday season. Like, I get it if you don't have $400-500 to blow on a console right now, but availability has been a LOT better.
This is highly location dependent.
I've seen people say they can't walk past their local Best Buy without seeing a half dozen on a shelf, whereas the local staff practically chuckle whenever I ask.
If availability were so good, they'd be available at Costco and Best Buy, presumably? Not here.
I've sat in the usual discord channels, and it's mostly 'there's 5 of them 3 provinces over' or 'amazon just restoc...never mind, they're gone'.
Maybe Toronto is just chock full of scalpers and my situation is more unique than not, but the usual PS5 Hunt: Canadian Edition Reddit I'm on has plenty of people still struggling to find one, or find one that isn't in a bundle that adds 50% to the price in extras they don't necessarily want, while respecting that the bundles seem to be one of the few steps anyone has taken to artificially reduce demand.
Edit: sorry for the rant, but this is something I've been somewhat frustrated by for the last two years. I get why that is, and that many of these challenges aren't in Sony's control, but if you'd asked me in 2020 if they would still be rare in 2022, I'd have had my doubts, yet here we are.
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PS5s have been plentiful this holiday season. Like, I get it if you don't have $400-500 to blow on a console right now, but availability has been a LOT better.
This is highly location dependent.
I've seen people say they can't walk past their local Best Buy without seeing a half dozen on a shelf, whereas the local staff practically chuckle whenever I ask.
If availability were so good, they'd be available at Costco and Best Buy, presumably? Not here.
I've sat in the usual discord channels, and it's mostly 'there's 5 of them 3 provinces over' or 'amazon just restoc...never mind, they're gone'.
Maybe Toronto is just chock full of scalpers and my situation is more unique than not, but the usual PS5 Hunt: Canadian Edition Reddit I'm on has plenty of people still struggling to find one, or find one that isn't in a bundle that adds 50% to the price in extras they don't necessarily want, while respecting that the bundles seem to be one of the few steps anyone has taken to artificially reduce demand.
Edit: sorry for the rant, but this is something I've been somewhat frustrated by for the last two years. I get why that is, and that many of these challenges aren't in Sony's control, but if you'd asked me in 2020 if they would still be rare in 2022, I'd have had my doubts, yet here we are.
Toronto can be kinda iffy, but I managed to snag one a few months back thanks to a national availability twitter. Took a day or two to sell out even. It's not great, but it's a lot better than it was even a year ago when online stock would vanish in seconds.
Oh, very much agreed. As I've mentioned in the PS thread, I've seen them last for hours and even days online at Costco fairly recently. Even had one sitting in my cart, wavering on hitting Buy, mainly because ~$950 Canadian (~700 US) for a Disc Edition with a game, an extra controller, and a charging station or whatever is a bit more than I'm looking to spend.
Especially since my Pro has mostly been an Apex Legends machine for the last couple of years, and word on Reddit is that the PS5 edition of the game has some unique issues that can crop up (this can be bypassed by running the PS4 client instead, at which point why am I paying nearly a grand to play the older version of the game on new hardware?).
FW's DLC could well be the thing that gets me to swap over, but that comes down to another supply and demand situation and rolling the dice.
But, given that we're 4 months from release, I guess I'll have some time to recover from the holidays and keep an eye on Discord.
Availability has seemed to get better, but it's hardly at the 'walk into Best Buy, pick up one from the pallets sitting around, pay for it and head home' experience I had with the Pro (though this was admittedly fairly far into the generation at the time).
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I assume that's commonly known, but for someone diving into the game I felt it was worth reiterating. As in, you can set it to story mode with no loot destruction and it can still take a good day+ to farm up the materials for the legendary weapons. Oh, this thing drops 2-3 of an item? You need 9 of them. And the creature itself is a semi-rare spawn (Apex version for example).
They could have cut the crafting costs in half and it still would've taken some effort without being a straight up chore. Especially once you get to the point in gear and skill where you can do the fight, but it can take so long that anything to speed up the process.
I will say, I loved the game. There were some other issues (I felt the skill trees were a hair too big and broad for what was given, didn't like that the tripcaster skill to put them down instantly also made them despawn in like 30 seconds when it should have just been a nice quality of life improvement as well as a combat option), but it's a gorgeous game with a setting I love and fighting robot dinosaurs as a badass ginger warrior isn't getting old anytime soon.
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1.1 just dropped. Tons of great improvements, some I've already noticed and are making a difference.
On top of new mushroom stairs, half stairs, extra row of inventory space, and the ZIP.R.
- You can now name trail markers
- Peeping previously peep'd creatures will now bring up their creature cards
- You can now exclude individual containers from the Drop All In Nearby action.
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You aren't alone. Ropecasters weren't part of my playstyle during HZD so I didn't really use them in FW either till I learned of this strategy, so none of my ropecasters were upgraded either. IIRC, the video in my earlier post points out alternative lower grade weapons you can still use effectively, just might have to do the strategy twice to inflict enough damage. Same strategy is pretty useful for Dreadwings too.
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And yeah, they definitely unbalanced the gameplay from trying to nerf the gameplay of the original too hard. They nerfed the ropecaster significantly, then also tend to constantly throw more enemies at you. Enemies constantly try to crawl on top of you, which really sucks with the nerfed time slowing. They try to offset it with more effective melee combat but honestly, the melee combat still wasn't there; the damage was too low and it was still too simple. They didn't like people being able to rapid-fire the bow for high DPS, so they split off another bow specifically for rapid-fire. And then also had elemental bows. And regular bow. And sniper bows. Elemental variation is good, but you were just expected to carry way too much variation; six weapons with multiple ammo types each got to be pretty tedious. Some of the new "elements" were fun, but it could be tough to tell if some of them were even really doing anything. And there were a couple that were just kinda useless.
I mean, I obviously didn't hate it because I played for 80 hours by the time I finished, but I did get plenty of experience with the weak points of the combat.
define fun? I mean yeah Plasma was a kinda neat mechanic, but the problem is it just doesn't do much damage compared to freezing. So I think it was pointless to use it outside of I think one of the fixed loadout arena matches. Fire damage used to be pretty decent on some enemies in HZD but that got a nerf too. Adhesive and Purgewater were just....there. I don't think I used Adhesive once yet, and I think I used the purgewater effect....once I think. Even blast slings which I used a lot in HZD became nerfed because of the ammunition limitations as stuff became out of your reach once it was sent to your stash. I used to occasionally spam blastbombs on some enemies....nah, not much point now. Same with tripcasters and their new limitations.
I was assuming they would make the new element types pretty OP to induce you to use them more, but....they weren't. I think I completely avoided spike throwers until late game when I found out they were pretty much required, again in one of the fixed loadout arena challenges, but even now I only really use them on Stormbirds because of the aerial damage perk on the Skykiller. So I just never felt compelled to use many of the new weapons outside of arena challenges where they were basically required. The vast majority of my playtime was with hunter bows, elemental bows, and maybe the occasional sharpshot bow or whatever had good tearblast ammo. resources to make ammunition for those things were cheap and plentiful whereas you ran out pretty quick if you spammed other ammo types.
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Adhesive didn't give you the total immobility of ropecasters, but it made it a lot easier to slow them down.
Plasma was just too complicated, especially since I never found a good weapon for applying it. Using it meant giving up a weapon slot I found more useful with something else.
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Also what tier 3 armor did you use? Tier 2 seemed easier with Spider or Ladybug, but I'm not sure what a good end game armor would be.
When I got mine a little over a year ago from Best Buy, it remained in stock for like 15-20 minutes after I was notified before I was able to get it in my cart and check out. They also have a sort of queue system. Huh, looks like even amazon implemented an invite system. but yeah I get the impression that it still helps greatly to sign up for one of those notification discords that automatically @ you when it comes in stock.
But it is doable.
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So not only is this a stupid tax to play the DLC, it's a tax I can't even pay because the system still doesn't exist except largely for scalpers.
Sour apparently has some nice end game use but it's like---END end game.
Might work on Fire Ant armor. I never use charge attacks, so not sure about Black Ox.
EDIT: Might need a Salty Spear as well for Termites. Want that Woodpile chip.
It'd be business-idiocy to be able to do this DLC for PS4 and then choose not to (as said, they're already selling consoles as fast as they can make them, there's no need to encourage it further), so the only sensible reason is if it actually can't handle it, and they know it.
edit: (also for anyone in the UK, Amazon have the digital console in stock at the moment)
While availability has markedly improved in my area, they're hardly easy to come by still. I've had several in carts and just didn't pull the trigger, because it seems one of the only ways to reduce the scalpers from snapping them all up is to put them in big bundles for nearly a grand Canadian (after taxes) for a disc edition with a game I don't want, an extra controller, and some other peripherals (chargers or stands or whatever).
This is further complicated in that the PS5 edition of the game I play the most by orders of magnitude (Apex Legends) actually has version specific bugs that mean many players with 5's are just running the 4 era version anyways.
Sony has said they plan to ship tens of millions of 5's next year, and rumours are there may even be a Slim version coming out mid/late 2023.
It's not an insurmountable challenge, and part of it is just me holding out for the day I can ideally walk into a Best Buy and snap up a PS5 Digital off a shelf and take it home without spending 50% extra on features/stuff I don't want while I'm at it.
I'm sure it'll be nice for them to officially make the generation change stick in a more substantial manner, and I get that Sony is hardly able to dictate terms that'd negate the chip shortage, global shipping catastrophuck, and everything else going on here.
Though it'd be really nice if more distributors made even a token effort to reduce the 'why are 2 guys standing outside of that store with like half a dozen fucking PS5's?' that I've seen a few times over the years. Straight up 'intent to distribute' right there, and it's only exacerbating the situation.
Also yeah Fire Ant armor was my end armor.
I think I had the minty mace or fire ant club for stunning large foes.
This is highly location dependent.
I've seen people say they can't walk past their local Best Buy without seeing a half dozen on a shelf, whereas the local staff practically chuckle whenever I ask.
If availability were so good, they'd be available at Costco and Best Buy, presumably? Not here.
I've sat in the usual discord channels, and it's mostly 'there's 5 of them 3 provinces over' or 'amazon just restoc...never mind, they're gone'.
Maybe Toronto is just chock full of scalpers and my situation is more unique than not, but the usual PS5 Hunt: Canadian Edition Reddit I'm on has plenty of people still struggling to find one, or find one that isn't in a bundle that adds 50% to the price in extras they don't necessarily want, while respecting that the bundles seem to be one of the few steps anyone has taken to artificially reduce demand.
Edit: sorry for the rant, but this is something I've been somewhat frustrated by for the last two years. I get why that is, and that many of these challenges aren't in Sony's control, but if you'd asked me in 2020 if they would still be rare in 2022, I'd have had my doubts, yet here we are.
Toronto can be kinda iffy, but I managed to snag one a few months back thanks to a national availability twitter. Took a day or two to sell out even. It's not great, but it's a lot better than it was even a year ago when online stock would vanish in seconds.
Especially since my Pro has mostly been an Apex Legends machine for the last couple of years, and word on Reddit is that the PS5 edition of the game has some unique issues that can crop up (this can be bypassed by running the PS4 client instead, at which point why am I paying nearly a grand to play the older version of the game on new hardware?).
FW's DLC could well be the thing that gets me to swap over, but that comes down to another supply and demand situation and rolling the dice.
But, given that we're 4 months from release, I guess I'll have some time to recover from the holidays and keep an eye on Discord.
Availability has seemed to get better, but it's hardly at the 'walk into Best Buy, pick up one from the pallets sitting around, pay for it and head home' experience I had with the Pro (though this was admittedly fairly far into the generation at the time).
This is the link, for the US, to buy direct from Sony. I'm sure they have a Canadian site as well.