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Despite currently being a regular user he was in the mod forum and advocating for himself on reports about him. Reports that should not have been seen by him. Even if you don't have a problem with him having access to the forums he shouldn't be looking at reports about himself, let alone commenting on them.
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I won’t speak for everyone but how you present yourself online should be the same way you conduct yourself in “real life” so yeah, I’m holding your online presence accountable when determining your character.
Well as was discussed at length, he didn't comment on reports about himself, I believe that was retracted.
You're not providing multiple well documented issues. Posters here just keep vaguely alluding to horrible injustices, and just about every time someone actually provides receipts it winds up being super different than the vague recollections provided.
Then everyone ignores that the receipts don't match, moves the goal posts, and well here we are spinning round and round again.
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/47056430/#Comment_47056430
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Because you haven't been affected by it or noticed is not a good reason to continue to stick your head in the sand. I'm glad people speaking up about issues don't matter to you.
And sure, on the face these forums are inclusive but framing at as homophobia is a mischaracterization. These forums absolutely have a history of shouting down the politics of queer posters they find too extreme until they get tired of it and either get banned or leave that continues to this day.
But fuck it right, at least the wheel no longer squeaks.
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I'm not talking about a separation between online and real life. I'm talking about judging someone's character based on, essentially, the tone of their voice, or who they pick to lead a casual social club.
That's not a comment on a report about his post j thought? Wasn't that clarified later on?
I am seriously asking, that shit got confusing.
And it isn't exactly like the candidates are mysterious? Like DrZiplock's bonafides, willingness, competence are very what-it-says-on-the-tin (picking on him, since his is the starkest graph Ive seen and his creds arent controversial in the least).
Sigh elections be hard.
i have no grudge against Jeffe. We have never had any real negative interactions. One thing I am mildly prickly about, but even then if I told it to the people who knew they would have no idea it involved me at all. There is absolutely no beef here from me.
If we set aside every thing we can simply look at where we are as a community. This is not a healthy place! Jeffe has had a hand in shaping that for good and for ill. As of now the forums are much more ill than good. The constant bickering and sniping is grand evidence of that. For that reason alone I couldn't support him, or anyone else that has shaped this place so dramatically for a leadership position like the board. We have seen too many mistakes, and had too many problems to do so unquestioningly.
Perhaps I can be persuaded though. I certainly have been reading. I want to be comfortable with anyone who wants to be in charge of our place. The old guard just has a higher threshold because there is such unrelenting drama and explosions. Escalating the situation certainly did not help matters in my eyes to say the least.
So if you want to vote for him out of agreement, spite, boredom, or cause the RNG came up with it then whatever. That is your deal. You ain't using my vote. Do not pretend there is no legitimacy to the concerns around his candidacy, or that it is just about him. I don't think anyone who has been running this place for 20 years would get a warm reception. Jeffe is simply the only one who is still trying to go forward.
It is not, especially if you zoom in on the tiny screenshots. The 2nd is a PM conversation leaked broadly behind the scene based on the accounting by MI
It is, it just took a while to find it.
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Regardless of your opinion on the specific allegations, Jeffe is divisive in the community, and that's a negative against him when we're trying to pick leadership to bring people together on this.
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my faith in democracy has never been particularly strong but it's always disheartening to see how easily it turns into demagoguery and egotism to the point where people just spite vote. it doesn't fill me with much confidence tbh, though I still plan on joining the new forums
It's really hard to take your claim of "purity testing" seriously when your post preceding this one was announcing you were throwing a vote to someone out of spite.
And the fact you would still use the term purity testing at all says a bunch about your ability to objectively judge whether or not all the ink spilled over Jeffe's candidacy should give anyone pause over supporting him.
Then again, you unilaterally declared yourself a "seniormost member of the board," whatever that means, so I doubt you were available to have your mind changed in the first place. Or would have been able to prioritize making the best possible choice over spitting in somebody else's eye.
There is a mod who, afaik, is planning to weigh in on this later. I would not call it settled yet, but I will not offer any opinions in light of what you reference.
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/47056501/#Comment_47056501
I think it isn't!
Probably. There's only one candidate here who's been a real flash point.
I see the confusion. Neither of those pictures are on a report about Jeffe.
But aside that, it was also stated that it was common practice for those who were invited to participate in the report forum, like Jeffe, to comment on reports about themselves.
We needed a strong leader
We needed someone whose leadership skills were absolute
We needed a hero
We needed Bizarro Stormy
People are allowed to advocate for people you don't like. People are allowed to have hot, dumb takes. Ignore them or report them if they are offensive.
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I think not allowing himself to be intimidated is a positive actually. Whether or not he's popular enough to win a seat is the entire concept of an election.
I can see the confusion because he's referencing a post he made so I assume it's a report about him.
That is another issue, that when I report a Jeffe post, since he's a regular user, I don't expect him to see those reports. I don't care if somebody PMs him for advice, but he shouldn't be seeing those reports.
I don't want people to think I'm moving goalposts on this as I've maintained that him having access to the reports a problem the entire time and the commenting on his own reports would just be a cherry on top of a shit sundae.
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Okay maybe three people
I can think of where if they got the board some people would actively leave, and jeffe is one of them
"Is not intimidated" yeah cool whatever but also what does he actually bring that's worth the colossal community split that comes with him
If someone is controversial at all they shouldn’t be on the board. We want this place to succeed long term. To put anyone who a significant portion of the forum takes issue with in a position of power only makes it more likely this endeavor will fail long term.
I hope that folks keep that in mind.
"What do you think about this Bizzaro Stormy?"
"I'm Bizzaro Stormy. "
" My God he's right, why didn't we see it before?!"
Honestly I think that's the point. To force the split.
And specifically, a different mod said they had done so to for one of their owns posts and no one gave a shit. There has been no movement to strip that mod of powers.
I see 18 other names on the list that do not inspire nearly as much controversy and many have some really impressive bona fides that I wish more air was in the room for discussion of
I've made it clear in the other thread - I have no beef with Jeffe himself and don't recall us ever directly interacting, but his actions in violating basic need-to-know standards are a huge privacy violation for everyone who has made a report on these forums while he was "Retired" or "Regular User". This alone to me should be disqualifying, the same way accessing medical records without reason or government files without appropriate clearance would be considered a big enough violation to be fired. This is *basic* training at any medium or greater size organization, and if we're holding the board to the standards that our governance docs are being written to, then we should be aiming for that level of professionalism.
I can't see his presence on the board inspiring anything but further anger and infighting, and would make it even harder to leave the drama currently in this place in the dust than it already will be
Anyway, said my piece on it, hoping to spend any future posts interacting with the other candidates who I frankly feel bring more to the table
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Yes we're having an election and I'm voting for who I believe to be best suited for the job. I think Jeffe's failure to maintain a healthy reputation in this community over the course of many years makes him unsuitable. I don't see much reason to think that his opponents are arguing against him in bad faith. It's not easy to get so many people to hate you this much. You may think that they're being too rude and crossing a line in their tone, but I'm inclined to take seriously the underlying sentiment.
More reliable than hoping people will edit them out if they quote your post
Jeffe wasn't a mod at the time.
Is a poster on the boards
And in the cons we have;
Actively disliked by many people
Distrusted over past lack of transparency
Hugely divisive
What exactly is going in column A that balances out column B. Like... why
I'm not really sure "not allowing himself to be intimidated" is the way I'd characterize it? Honestly, I'm not really sure that's what I'd call a positive quality in a person. From another perspective, it's someone who can't read a room, or doesn't care about what other people think.
I'd also argue that characterizing it that way is an attack on people who are against his candidacy here by framing their opposition as "intimidation", which is disingenuous.
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Incorrect. I absolutely give a shit and said so in the thread. I do believe it is inappropriate.
I do think there's a difference there. One was an active mod, one was retired and people were unaware of the access.