Two questions for you fine folks if you don't mind:
- given the reorg involves a full restructuring, we're going to have a whole lot of people who identified with spaces that will no longer exist. How do you expect to promote unification and bringing the community together? Do you have any initiatives or policy thoughts in mind?
- do you have any thoughts on what specific actions you will take to build out our community? Do you have thoughts on crafting a new culture, creating a welcoming space for new posters, or finding ways to promote the forum to bring in posters who are not being introduced to it by existing ones?
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
I took this to PMs, but there was a mod bold text explicitly NOT to tell other users to "Fuck Off". That stands in this thread.
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
Telling people to fuck off was pretty clearly disallowed. And it is so tiring when people break the rules and then go "okay I'll eat my thread ban"
Engage with the post or don't. Telling someone to fuck off isn't helpful to anyone.
I will also say it seems the idea that only eljeffe was polarizing is clearly not the case.
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
I took this to PMs, but there was a mod bold text explicitly NOT to tell other users to "Fuck Off". That stands in this thread.
And I'll repeat what I said in DMs:
Solar knew the rules and broke them, he knew what the punishment was, and I'm not objecting to that.
I am objecting to a bad faith attempt to besmirch Tef's name based on a blatant misreading of statements that were made, and I would consider that extremely inappropriate conduct to engage in during a discussion where Tef is a candidate for the board.
If people want to actually examine Tef's prior statements and analyze them without completely fabricating allegations of being a bigot out of thin air, I would hope it goes without saying that's completely justified.
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
Telling people to fuck off was pretty clearly disallowed. And it is so tiring when people break the rules and then go "okay I'll eat my thread ban"
Engage with the post or don't. Telling someone to fuck off isn't helpful to anyone.
I will also say it seems the idea that only eljeffe was polarizing is clearly not the case.
I never said Solar's thread kick wasn't justified, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
I took this to PMs, but there was a mod bold text explicitly NOT to tell other users to "Fuck Off". That stands in this thread.
Also it's been a black letter infraction for decades to tell someone to fuck off?
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
Huh I thought the values of the forum were
provide a safe and welcoming environment for marginalized members of our community, where their voices will be heard and their lived experiences respected.
Apparently that's only valid if they agree with you. You'll be happy to know Hanshoo ordered me not to talk about it anymore though.
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TAG I sincerely can't answer that. I think it's one of those things that I will vote with the will of the forums and let that be my decision on the matter. I feel that's in line with what I said earlier, but a little more filled out.
Two questions for you fine folks if you don't mind:
- given the reorg involves a full restructuring, we're going to have a whole lot of people who identified with spaces that will no longer exist. How do you expect to promote unification and bringing the community together? Do you have any initiatives or policy thoughts in mind?
- do you have any thoughts on what specific actions you will take to build out our community? Do you have thoughts on crafting a new culture, creating a welcoming space for new posters, or finding ways to promote the forum to bring in posters who are not being introduced to it by existing ones?
Building the new community is the part I’m most excited for. We’re not rebuilding PA, we’re building CoRe. The shape of that will be decided by the people and leadership and I’m looking forward to being a big part of it whether I get voted on as a Board member or not. Unification will take time but I’m confident in the moderators that they will do their best to keep all people engaged and feeling protected.
I’m definitely going to be expanding Secret Saints and continue to run various fantasy leagues and dumb games I enjoy so much. Again, I think the mods we have will be excellent in making sure that any new people are given a fair chance.
Forum expansion…bringing in new people…I’m not sure. There is no product to draw them to the site, it’s just a forum. I don’t think people are going to to stumble onto it which leaves us with either specific advertising or word of mouth.
I don’t foresee an influx of new people anytime soon but I’d like to see some expansion sooner or later. New people keep things fresh. How are we going to get them? I’m honestly not sure yet.
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Tef for me is my number one pic, I think he is the best candidate for the board out of everybody on the forums
I don't think someone who supported Trump winning the Presidency should be on the board. And Tef was explicitly arguing for just that because he felt the Dems needed to be "punished".
Tef? The Australian who didn't vote and said people would have a problem with him for being a self-proclaimed communist, that Tef?
It doesn't make a material difference to the people who die because of the canidate he wanted to win that he wanted it for accelerationist reasons.
That is an error of judgement at a level I don't want a board canidate to have.
I'm probably not going to vote for Tef, but this is a really uncharitable read on that post.
No, it isn't. "Force the Dems into the wilderness" "mitigate the effects of Trump". He wanted a Trump win. You can argue he wanted a hobbled Trump who had to deal with a hostile Congress but he wanted Trump.
As a result of the canidate he supported I don't expect to survive the next four years.
I read that as the current leadership is not going to fight the republicans. Our only hope is newblood\new leadership.
Once again, probably not going to vote for Tef, and I don't see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but this specific criticism doesn't feel like its made out of whole cloth.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
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Pushing back on bad behavior will always be punished more harshly than the initial bad behavior as long as people like Hahns and Jeffe have a say in things.
Telling someone to fuck off out of the blue → wild, crazy and out of pocket behavior etc
Telling a known bad faith, bad actor that continues to try to ruin or otherwise make difficult already difficult conversations to fuck off → awesome, inspiring, why wasn't that bad actor banned already etc
Hahnsoo1 So Phoenix-D just gets to accuse someone of being a bigot for absolutely no justifiable reason and keep posting in this thread? That's the standard we're setting for this discussion?
Telling people to fuck off was pretty clearly disallowed. And it is so tiring when people break the rules and then go "okay I'll eat my thread ban"
Engage with the post or don't. Telling someone to fuck off isn't helpful to anyone.
I will also say it seems the idea that only eljeffe was polarizing is clearly not the case.
I never said Solar's thread kick wasn't justified, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
I didn't intend to do that but I can see how it could be read that way and I do apologize.
Tef for me is my number one pic, I think he is the best candidate for the board out of everybody on the forums
I don't think someone who supported Trump winning the Presidency should be on the board. And Tef was explicitly arguing for just that because he felt the Dems needed to be "punished".
Tef? The Australian who didn't vote and said people would have a problem with him for being a self-proclaimed communist, that Tef?
It doesn't make a material difference to the people who die because of the canidate he wanted to win that he wanted it for accelerationist reasons.
That is an error of judgement at a level I don't want a board canidate to have.
I'm probably not going to vote for Tef, but this is a really uncharitable read on that post.
No, it isn't. "Force the Dems into the wilderness" "mitigate the effects of Trump". He wanted a Trump win. You can argue he wanted a hobbled Trump who had to deal with a hostile Congress but he wanted Trump.
As a result of the canidate he supported I don't expect to survive the next four years.
I read that as the current leadership is not going to fight the republicans. Our only hope is newblood\new leadership.
Once again, probably not going to vote for Tef, and I don't see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but this specific criticism doesn't feel like its made out of whole cloth.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
Incorrect. Tef advocates "vote blue no matter who" FOR CONGRESS. Only. To mitigate his desired Trump win.
"Mitigate the effects of trump by voting blue (no matter who???) in the senate and the house."[/spoiler]
Tef can be relied on to perform the given duties competently and fairly, including the points about inclusion. I know this because I know him and because I've seen how he handles these things. That he once expressed an opinion on how to achieve a world more in line with the belief framework that also eventually shaped CoRe does not bother me even as it might be spicy, disagreeable or unorthodox. His base premises are still the justifiable ones.
Tef can be relied on to perform the given duties competently and fairly, including the points about inclusion. I know this because I know him and because I've seen how he handles these things. That he once expressed an opinion on how to achieve a world more in line with the belief framework that eventually shaped CoRe does not bother me even as it might be spicy, disagreeable or unorthodox. His base premises are still the justifiable ones.
Sincerely: thank you for responding to my objection in a reasonable manner. I disagree obviously, but this is much more reasonable
Two questions for you fine folks if you don't mind:
- given the reorg involves a full restructuring, we're going to have a whole lot of people who identified with spaces that will no longer exist. How do you expect to promote unification and bringing the community together? Do you have any initiatives or policy thoughts in mind?
- do you have any thoughts on what specific actions you will take to build out our community? Do you have thoughts on crafting a new culture, creating a welcoming space for new posters, or finding ways to promote the forum to bring in posters who are not being introduced to it by existing ones?
Building the new community is the part I’m most excited for. We’re not rebuilding PA, we’re building CoRe. The shape of that will be decided by the people and leadership and I’m looking forward to being a big part of it whether I get voted on as a Board member or not. Unification will take time but I’m confident in the moderators that they will do their best to keep all people engaged and feeling protected.
I’m definitely going to be expanding Secret Saints and continue to run various fantasy leagues and dumb games I enjoy so much. Again, I think the mods we have will be excellent in making sure that any new people are given a fair chance.
Forum expansion…bringing in new people…I’m not sure. There is no product to draw them to the site, it’s just a forum. I don’t think people are going to to stumble onto it which leaves us with either specific advertising or word of mouth.
I don’t foresee an influx of new people anytime soon but I’d like to see some expansion sooner or later. New people keep things fresh. How are we going to get them? I’m honestly not sure yet.
Lets Play! That famous thread where one forumer was naming X-Com/UFO characters after forumers and such is actually a pretty good formula for streamers with small bases, the forums generate a lot of content with reviews and art. Im not saying to turn CR into a content farm, but maybe put some of the stuff produced out there, or organize it in a way that it can be put on twitch or youtube or wherever as something borne from the community.
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Tef for me is my number one pic, I think he is the best candidate for the board out of everybody on the forums
I don't think someone who supported Trump winning the Presidency should be on the board. And Tef was explicitly arguing for just that because he felt the Dems needed to be "punished".
Tef? The Australian who didn't vote and said people would have a problem with him for being a self-proclaimed communist, that Tef?
It doesn't make a material difference to the people who die because of the canidate he wanted to win that he wanted it for accelerationist reasons.
That is an error of judgement at a level I don't want a board canidate to have.
I'm probably not going to vote for Tef, but this is a really uncharitable read on that post.
No, it isn't. "Force the Dems into the wilderness" "mitigate the effects of Trump". He wanted a Trump win. You can argue he wanted a hobbled Trump who had to deal with a hostile Congress but he wanted Trump.
As a result of the canidate he supported I don't expect to survive the next four years.
I read that as the current leadership is not going to fight the republicans. Our only hope is newblood\new leadership.
Once again, probably not going to vote for Tef, and I don't see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but this specific criticism doesn't feel like its made out of whole cloth.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
Incorrect. Tef advocates "vote blue no matter who" FOR CONGRESS. Only. To mitigate his desired Trump win.
"Mitigate the effects of trump by voting blue (no matter who???) in the senate and the house."[/spoiler]
You're extremely confident in this to the point I can't help but think you're a mind reader. Are you a mind reader?
At this point I am willing to state that if you were an active participant with any of the D&D politics threads you probably shouldn't be running for anything (board/mod/etc) because good lord everyone involved is the most tiring people imaginable.
As an active participant in several of those threads, I'm starting to think you may be right.
Tef for me is my number one pic, I think he is the best candidate for the board out of everybody on the forums
I don't think someone who supported Trump winning the Presidency should be on the board. And Tef was explicitly arguing for just that because he felt the Dems needed to be "punished".
Tef? The Australian who didn't vote and said people would have a problem with him for being a self-proclaimed communist, that Tef?
It doesn't make a material difference to the people who die because of the canidate he wanted to win that he wanted it for accelerationist reasons.
That is an error of judgement at a level I don't want a board canidate to have.
I'm probably not going to vote for Tef, but this is a really uncharitable read on that post.
No, it isn't. "Force the Dems into the wilderness" "mitigate the effects of Trump". He wanted a Trump win. You can argue he wanted a hobbled Trump who had to deal with a hostile Congress but he wanted Trump.
As a result of the canidate he supported I don't expect to survive the next four years.
I read that as the current leadership is not going to fight the republicans. Our only hope is newblood\new leadership.
Once again, probably not going to vote for Tef, and I don't see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but this specific criticism doesn't feel like its made out of whole cloth.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
Incorrect. Tef advocates "vote blue no matter who" FOR CONGRESS. Only. To mitigate his desired Trump win.
"Mitigate the effects of trump by voting blue (no matter who???) in the senate and the house."[/spoiler]
You're extremely confident in this to the point I can't help but think you're a mind reader. Are you a mind reader?
Tef for me is my number one pic, I think he is the best candidate for the board out of everybody on the forums
I don't think someone who supported Trump winning the Presidency should be on the board. And Tef was explicitly arguing for just that because he felt the Dems needed to be "punished".
Tef? The Australian who didn't vote and said people would have a problem with him for being a self-proclaimed communist, that Tef?
It doesn't make a material difference to the people who die because of the canidate he wanted to win that he wanted it for accelerationist reasons.
That is an error of judgement at a level I don't want a board canidate to have.
I'm probably not going to vote for Tef, but this is a really uncharitable read on that post.
No, it isn't. "Force the Dems into the wilderness" "mitigate the effects of Trump". He wanted a Trump win. You can argue he wanted a hobbled Trump who had to deal with a hostile Congress but he wanted Trump.
As a result of the canidate he supported I don't expect to survive the next four years.
I read that as the current leadership is not going to fight the republicans. Our only hope is newblood\new leadership.
Once again, probably not going to vote for Tef, and I don't see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but this specific criticism doesn't feel like its made out of whole cloth.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
I disagree with it completely, I'm just trying to be charitable and deescalate.
Also will any of the candidates commit to giving out bribes and also will there be one of those jars from a classroom where we can earn marbles and if the jar fills up we get a pizza party?
Also will any of the candidates commit to giving out bribes and also will there be one of those jars from a classroom where we can earn marbles and if the jar fills up we get a pizza party?
Long running issue where being antagonistic isn't against the rules but being antagonized is.
This is funny.
No, it really really isn't.
Nah it's hilarious considering the underhanded insults and really shitty double speak that comes out of Stryo's mouth whenever it comes time to try and win an argument. There's plenty of examples in this thread, and the other thread, and the other thread before that and holy shit there are so many examples I could built a mountain out of them.
First, I do want to say Thank You for stepping up for the community (and the rest of the candidates too! I do appreciate folks willing to put it out there for this community - even if I disagree with a few of them).
I do have some hesitation though.
There are members of this community that are very much 1) against the genocide in Palestine, 2) against the illegal expansion settlements and violence in the west bank, but have also indicated (at least as I understand them right now) that the controversial "River to the Sea" slogan makes them feel less safe and unwelcome in this community because of the historical usage in previous decades being a call to genocide (for both sides!) - Especially when there are plenty of other crisp, clear and most importantly less divisive ways to show support for Palestine ("Free Palestine!", "Stop the Fascist!", "No Genocide!", "Palestinian-Israeli Peace Now!", etc),
Why do you feel qualified to shepherd a reasonably diverse community when specifically using terminology/slogans that is divisive while there are plenty of good alternatives to achieve the same message?
(specifically, Raijin - you used it in an answer in this very thread, and Kelor you own both the thread in SE++ AND the new thread on the CoRe forums where you've placed this in the title)
For the rest of the candidates, what are your thoughts on how to handle occurrences of one part of the community using a slogan (for whatever issue) that specifically hurts another part of the community when there are less divisive/harmful alternatives?
Hurting another part of the community with your words when there are easy alternatives to use that do not hurt your fellow members is Not Okay. Sometimes things happen by accident, and that's regrettable but does happen. But once awareness is made, we should do our best to be welcoming to everyone, not just the groups of people we prefer more at any given moment.
Sometimes this will cause conflict, sometimes there won't be clear answers. It's important to try and communicate in good faith with each other to navigate these. In this specific situation, though, there is a clear answer, and it's to use an alternative that doesn't alienate another marginalized community on the forums. There was nothing especially relevant about this phrase to the message folks wanted to get across (that of protesting the genocide).
This actually captures something I think that's important about these discussions: the appearance of being polite vs actual sincerity in actions and intentions. So here we have an understanding of the phrase that lacks nuance or depth of what it means to the cause, to suggest "just use an alternative" is to lack understanding simply put. The oppressor will always try to control the language of the oppressed because those words have power.
Anyways what happens is we end up chasing away some incredibly valuable voices in the community for the appearance of politeness, of making a compromise that actually punches downward at the oppressed. It's not the side in power making an concessions, it's always the big guy putting the boot down on the little guy.
Meanwhile as has been pointed out probably hundreds of times by now, people can manually desticky any thread. The thread as it exists functionally is the same as before, only now the thread is cluttered with "Bump" posts to get the thread back to the front and top of the page. This means in effect the change has effectively done nothing other than inconvenience the other side. If seeing the thread at the top of SE every day was hurtful before, it probably would still be now? Right?
So I just don't like it. I don't like that we're making those kinds of decisions, losing valuable people, all for a symbolic "compromise" that effectively did nothing other than waste time and resources of people fighting the good fight. Plenty of people see that, see these spaces as a lost cause, and move their energies elsewhere. That's a crying fucking shame.
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
Yes! Having tested those features, they're fantastic! You can almost literally just not have a user exist as far as you're concerned. You won't even see their threads, or that it was them that replied or was replied to, it just says "this has content from a user you may have blocked" or something of the sort.
I am confident as a Board Candidate this will help some problems, at least initially.
Do you think you'd stick around if Tef was elected?
Honestly, of all the candidates, he seems like the most likely one to win, so I guess maybe. But I'm not making the move over while the current moderation staff are still in charge in CoRe, which will be the real deal breaker for me
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
I don't think that's a solution to everything here. Like.... surely we can all think of some really objectionable thread topics and thread titles that we don't want to allow on CoRe! Even if everyone on the forums but the OP could just hide/ignore it. That doesn't really represent us well.
We should be welcoming and safe, and not "welcoming and safe as long as you close your eyes to the parts that hurt you"
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
That's my understanding, but I think it sidesteps the larger issue of how to handle situations where the language one group uses - even with the best of intentions - might alternate another, equally marginalized group. There won't always be a tech solution, and so we need to learn how to coexist respectfully.
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Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
I don't think that's a solution to everything here. Like.... surely we can all think of some really objectionable thread topics and thread titles that we don't want to allow on CoRe! Even if everyone on the forums but the OP could just hide/ignore it. That doesn't really represent us well.
We should be welcoming and safe, and not "welcoming and safe as long as you close your eyes to the parts that hurt you"
I absolutely agree.
I will add this.
The 10-20 donating, supportive, registered members of the new community that are never going to get along with another 10-20, need to be considered and even encouraged to use the ignore feature as a solution to a problem. They're a part of the forum too and are perfectly delightful when they're not arguing with each other.
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
That's my understanding, but I think it sidesteps the larger issue of how to handle situations where the language one group uses - even with the best of intentions - might alternate another, equally marginalized group. There won't always be a tech solution, and so we need to learn how to coexist respectfully.
Equally huh
Pretty sure only one group is getting slaughtered en masse at the moment
Guess which one is being told what kinda words they can use
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
That's my understanding, but I think it sidesteps the larger issue of how to handle situations where the language one group uses - even with the best of intentions - might alternate another, equally marginalized group. There won't always be a tech solution, and so we need to learn how to coexist respectfully.
Equally huh
Pretty sure only one group is getting slaughtered en masse at the moment
Guess which one is being told what kinda words they can use
What? Are you equating people who disagree with Jeffe to Ukraine?
Can’t we just ignore threads wholesale on the new forum?
That's my understanding, but I think it sidesteps the larger issue of how to handle situations where the language one group uses - even with the best of intentions - might alternate another, equally marginalized group. There won't always be a tech solution, and so we need to learn how to coexist respectfully.
Equally huh
Pretty sure only one group is getting slaughtered en masse at the moment
Guess which one is being told what kinda words they can use
What? Are you equating people who disagree with Jeffe to Ukraine?
I think you're lost, I'm talking about the cowardly unsticking of the River to Sea thread, a thread that remains and is constantly at the top of SE despite efforts to make it harder to find and see
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Two questions for you fine folks if you don't mind:
- given the reorg involves a full restructuring, we're going to have a whole lot of people who identified with spaces that will no longer exist. How do you expect to promote unification and bringing the community together? Do you have any initiatives or policy thoughts in mind?
- do you have any thoughts on what specific actions you will take to build out our community? Do you have thoughts on crafting a new culture, creating a welcoming space for new posters, or finding ways to promote the forum to bring in posters who are not being introduced to it by existing ones?
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Telling people to fuck off was pretty clearly disallowed. And it is so tiring when people break the rules and then go "okay I'll eat my thread ban"
Engage with the post or don't. Telling someone to fuck off isn't helpful to anyone.
I will also say it seems the idea that only eljeffe was polarizing is clearly not the case.
Me? Nothing. The board should simply exist to help those who hold the conch and deal with some of the bigger shit that an organization can run into.
But there are a lot of people out here with stones to spare and grudges to settle.
And I'll repeat what I said in DMs:
Solar knew the rules and broke them, he knew what the punishment was, and I'm not objecting to that.
I am objecting to a bad faith attempt to besmirch Tef's name based on a blatant misreading of statements that were made, and I would consider that extremely inappropriate conduct to engage in during a discussion where Tef is a candidate for the board.
If people want to actually examine Tef's prior statements and analyze them without completely fabricating allegations of being a bigot out of thin air, I would hope it goes without saying that's completely justified.
I never said Solar's thread kick wasn't justified, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.
This is funny.
Also it's been a black letter infraction for decades to tell someone to fuck off?
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Huh I thought the values of the forum were
Apparently that's only valid if they agree with you. You'll be happy to know Hanshoo ordered me not to talk about it anymore though.
Last I checked, Tef wasn't the one that told someone to "Fuck off" in the thread.
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Building the new community is the part I’m most excited for. We’re not rebuilding PA, we’re building CoRe. The shape of that will be decided by the people and leadership and I’m looking forward to being a big part of it whether I get voted on as a Board member or not. Unification will take time but I’m confident in the moderators that they will do their best to keep all people engaged and feeling protected.
I’m definitely going to be expanding Secret Saints and continue to run various fantasy leagues and dumb games I enjoy so much. Again, I think the mods we have will be excellent in making sure that any new people are given a fair chance.
Forum expansion…bringing in new people…I’m not sure. There is no product to draw them to the site, it’s just a forum. I don’t think people are going to to stumble onto it which leaves us with either specific advertising or word of mouth.
I don’t foresee an influx of new people anytime soon but I’d like to see some expansion sooner or later. New people keep things fresh. How are we going to get them? I’m honestly not sure yet.
This is not a bad faith reading, it is a straight up lie. Dude literally says to vote blue and push the Dems further and further left in the post. Phoenix-D is actually lying in an obvious way here and it's fucking gross.
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Telling a known bad faith, bad actor that continues to try to ruin or otherwise make difficult already difficult conversations to fuck off → awesome, inspiring, why wasn't that bad actor banned already etc
I didn't intend to do that but I can see how it could be read that way and I do apologize.
Incorrect. Tef advocates "vote blue no matter who" FOR CONGRESS. Only. To mitigate his desired Trump win.
"Mitigate the effects of trump by voting blue (no matter who???) in the senate and the house."[/spoiler]
Sincerely: thank you for responding to my objection in a reasonable manner. I disagree obviously, but this is much more reasonable
Lets Play! That famous thread where one forumer was naming X-Com/UFO characters after forumers and such is actually a pretty good formula for streamers with small bases, the forums generate a lot of content with reviews and art. Im not saying to turn CR into a content farm, but maybe put some of the stuff produced out there, or organize it in a way that it can be put on twitch or youtube or wherever as something borne from the community.
You're extremely confident in this to the point I can't help but think you're a mind reader. Are you a mind reader?
As an active participant in several of those threads, I'm starting to think you may be right.
Can we just ask @tef their stance to clarify?
I disagree with it completely, I'm just trying to be charitable and deescalate.
No, it really really isn't.
pfft
I'll take your bribes once I have ultimate power
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Nah it's hilarious considering the underhanded insults and really shitty double speak that comes out of Stryo's mouth whenever it comes time to try and win an argument. There's plenty of examples in this thread, and the other thread, and the other thread before that and holy shit there are so many examples I could built a mountain out of them.
This actually captures something I think that's important about these discussions: the appearance of being polite vs actual sincerity in actions and intentions. So here we have an understanding of the phrase that lacks nuance or depth of what it means to the cause, to suggest "just use an alternative" is to lack understanding simply put. The oppressor will always try to control the language of the oppressed because those words have power.
Anyways what happens is we end up chasing away some incredibly valuable voices in the community for the appearance of politeness, of making a compromise that actually punches downward at the oppressed. It's not the side in power making an concessions, it's always the big guy putting the boot down on the little guy.
Meanwhile as has been pointed out probably hundreds of times by now, people can manually desticky any thread. The thread as it exists functionally is the same as before, only now the thread is cluttered with "Bump" posts to get the thread back to the front and top of the page. This means in effect the change has effectively done nothing other than inconvenience the other side. If seeing the thread at the top of SE every day was hurtful before, it probably would still be now? Right?
So I just don't like it. I don't like that we're making those kinds of decisions, losing valuable people, all for a symbolic "compromise" that effectively did nothing other than waste time and resources of people fighting the good fight. Plenty of people see that, see these spaces as a lost cause, and move their energies elsewhere. That's a crying fucking shame.
Yes! Having tested those features, they're fantastic! You can almost literally just not have a user exist as far as you're concerned. You won't even see their threads, or that it was them that replied or was replied to, it just says "this has content from a user you may have blocked" or something of the sort.
I am confident as a Board Candidate this will help some problems, at least initially.
Honestly, of all the candidates, he seems like the most likely one to win, so I guess maybe. But I'm not making the move over while the current moderation staff are still in charge in CoRe, which will be the real deal breaker for me
I don't think that's a solution to everything here. Like.... surely we can all think of some really objectionable thread topics and thread titles that we don't want to allow on CoRe! Even if everyone on the forums but the OP could just hide/ignore it. That doesn't really represent us well.
We should be welcoming and safe, and not "welcoming and safe as long as you close your eyes to the parts that hurt you"
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That's my understanding, but I think it sidesteps the larger issue of how to handle situations where the language one group uses - even with the best of intentions - might alternate another, equally marginalized group. There won't always be a tech solution, and so we need to learn how to coexist respectfully.
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I absolutely agree.
I will add this.
The 10-20 donating, supportive, registered members of the new community that are never going to get along with another 10-20, need to be considered and even encouraged to use the ignore feature as a solution to a problem. They're a part of the forum too and are perfectly delightful when they're not arguing with each other.
Equally huh
Pretty sure only one group is getting slaughtered en masse at the moment
Guess which one is being told what kinda words they can use
What? Are you equating people who disagree with Jeffe to Ukraine?
I think you're lost, I'm talking about the cowardly unsticking of the River to Sea thread, a thread that remains and is constantly at the top of SE despite efforts to make it harder to find and see