Dear [name],
With the Texas county conventions rapidly approaching on Saturday, March 29th, we have an opportunity to secure the delegate lead we established on March 4th.
But we can't do it without your help. You can maximize Barack's support at the county conventions today, right from your home.
Call Obama delegates and alternates using our online phone banking tool, and remind them to attend their county convention this Saturday. http://tx.barackobama.com/calltxdelegates
The more Obama delegates we're able to connect with, the better prepared we'll be to harness the momentum we captured in Texas on March 4th.
Let's do all that we can to ensure that the March 29th county conventions take us one step closer to change we can believe in for the whole country.
Call Texas delegates today: http://tx.barackobama.com/calltxdelegates
Thank you again for all your help,
Ashley
Ashley Walker
Texas State Director
Obama for America
That is the only directive I have gotten as an Obama supporter in TX. The only encouragement I have gotten to call delegates to sway them was from my local Democratic group.
Yea, my first impulse was to justify it but you really can't if you want to call Hillary on the same thing. So I'll just have to hope that it wasn't something Obama himself ordered done.
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It's not a question of who all it went to, etc etc. It's a tactic we've given Clinton shit for, it's only fair to give Obama shit for it, too. Delegates are picked based on an assumption that they will stick to their elected purpose. Regardless of rules, it's only fair and honorable for them to do so, and for nobody to try and game the system's poor design for personal gain.
I haven't read the article yet, but here's my take:
IF HE ONLY SENT IT OUT TO THE SUPERS: Perfectly acceptable.
IF HE SENT IT OUT TO PLEDGED AS WELL AS SUPERS, OR PLEDGED ONLY: Bad Obama. Bad. (Even though I've mused that if Hillary is declaring Obama's pledged up for grabs, it would logically follow that her pledged are up for grabs as well. Still, bad Obama, bad.)
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It's not a question of who all it went to, etc etc. It's a tactic we've given Clinton shit for, it's only fair to give Obama shit for it, too. Delegates are picked based on an assumption that they will stick to their elected purpose. Regardless of rules, it's only fair and honorable for them to do so, and for nobody to try and game the system's poor design for personal gain.
Further, he doesn't even need to do that to win. He's going to win this thing. He just needs to sit back and act as honorable as possible.
Yeah, but Hillary is certainly making it difficult for him to not want to choke a bitch.
It's not a question of who all it went to, etc etc. It's a tactic we've given Clinton shit for, it's only fair to give Obama shit for it, too. Delegates are picked based on an assumption that they will stick to their elected purpose. Regardless of rules, it's only fair and honorable for them to do so, and for nobody to try and game the system's poor design for personal gain.
Exactly. As a delegate, I can't feasibly go and poll the forty-or-so people from the caucus that I was chosen to represent, to find out if they have now switched their vote to Clinton - the best I can go off of is what I was originally chosen for: to vote for Obama. I'm equally indignant about people switching in the other direction.
Having Bush levels of approval BEFORE an election can't be a winning position.
Oh, don't worry - that won't stop her. She's a fighter.
Edit: jotate, mtvcdm - it was sent to Texas caucus delegates. We have another convention this weekend where the delegates from the precinct conventions on March 4th will now vote for their candidate at the county level. I don't think this is particularly a national thing.
You know, I'm on the fence about Pelosi in general, she does things I dislike in the name of not turning DC into (more of) a circus.
I'm proud she'd pretty much tell that extortion letter to sit on their bankrolls and spin.
It was a pretty weak response to what they were saying. Honestly everytime a super responds to this bullshit its always some lame half answer that has no balls to it. They should be worried about their seats because I know for damn sure I'd vote against these weak willed simps for playing this "Well he can't really lose but we still don't know" bullshit.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's not a question of who all it went to, etc etc. It's a tactic we've given Clinton shit for, it's only fair to give Obama shit for it, too. Delegates are picked based on an assumption that they will stick to their elected purpose. Regardless of rules, it's only fair and honorable for them to do so, and for nobody to try and game the system's poor design for personal gain.
I haven't read the article yet, but here's my take:
IF HE ONLY SENT IT OUT TO THE SUPERS: Perfectly acceptable.
IF HE SENT IT OUT TO PLEDGED AS WELL AS SUPERS, OR PLEDGED ONLY: Bad Obama. Bad. (Even though I've mused that if Hillary is declaring Obama's pledged up for grabs, it would logically follow that her pledged are up for grabs as well. Still, bad Obama, bad.)
The article is saying not pledged or supers, it's to local delegates who will vote for the pledged.
I just don't like the angle of attack, I do believe the directions posted above that say nothing about calling the other side, I just question that flier. I guess we could email it to Obama's campaign and ask them what the hell is going on here. It's entirely possible that someone went overboard playing politics and missed the playbook that says WE DONUT DO THIS. I can hope.
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Edit: jotate, mtvcdm - it was sent to Texas caucus delegates. We have another convention this weekend where the delegates from the precinct conventions on March 4th will now vote for their candidate at the county level. I don't think this is particularly a national thing.
That's a different ballgame from what I was thinking. At that level I think it would be prohibitively difficult to figure out who supports who. At this point, the delegate count is not set in stone in Texas, so there's still campaigning to do- if the Obama county delegates forget to go, Clinton ends up eventually swiping a few national delegates. I think it'd be a wash as done: you remind all your people to get to the county conventions (and eventually the state convention), but at the same time you remind the Clinton people just what they're trying to prevent, driving them in too.
I end up neutral on it.
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Update from Marc Ambinder (as I was making a nice email to the Obama campaign):
Update: Turns out that the culprit is the Texas Democratic Party. The delegate lists they forwarded to the campaigns contain many errors on them, so Clinton delegates are receiving Obama mail and Obama delegates are recieving Clinton mail. Indeed, it wouldn't make much sense for Obama to remind Clinton delegates when the conventions are.
Yay, I was very irritated that Obama's camp would try and snipe delegates.
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Like I just said, prohibitively difficult.
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I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
Update from Marc Ambinder (as I was making a nice email to the Obama campaign):
Update: Turns out that the culprit is the Texas Democratic Party. The delegate lists they forwarded to the campaigns contain many errors on them, so Clinton delegates are receiving Obama mail and Obama delegates are recieving Clinton mail. Indeed, it wouldn't make much sense for Obama to remind Clinton delegates when the conventions are.
Yay, I was very irritated that Obama's camp would try and snipe delegates.
It's kind of sad that no one got upset over Obama delegates receiving Clinton mail. I guess they were expecting it from her campaign.
Update from Marc Ambinder (as I was making a nice email to the Obama campaign):
Update: Turns out that the culprit is the Texas Democratic Party. The delegate lists they forwarded to the campaigns contain many errors on them, so Clinton delegates are receiving Obama mail and Obama delegates are recieving Clinton mail. Indeed, it wouldn't make much sense for Obama to remind Clinton delegates when the conventions are.
Yay, I was very irritated that Obama's camp would try and snipe delegates.
It's kind of sad that no one got upset over Obama delegates receiving Clinton mail. I guess they were expecting it from her campaign.
Outrage Fatigue. At this point she does so much shady and retarded shit that I'm finding it hard to work up any more than typing "what the FUCK" on the internets over it.
It's always nice when your incredulity about the Good Guy doing something shady is rewarded with the revelation that he actually wasn't.
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Edit: jotate, mtvcdm - it was sent to Texas caucus delegates. We have another convention this weekend where the delegates from the precinct conventions on March 4th will now vote for their candidate at the county level. I don't think this is particularly a national thing.
That's a different ballgame from what I was thinking. At that level I think it would be prohibitively difficult to figure out who supports who. At this point, the delegate count is not set in stone in Texas, so there's still campaigning to do- if the Obama county delegates forget to go, Clinton ends up eventually swiping a few national delegates. I think it'd be a wash as done: you remind all your people to get to the county conventions (and eventually the state convention), but at the same time you remind the Clinton people just what they're trying to prevent, driving them in too.
I end up neutral on it.
I got elected as an Obama delegate from the pool of Obama precinct caucus voters, by those voters, and the percentage of Obama delegates is based directly on Obama votes at the precinct caucus; the same goes for Clinton delegates as well. In that regard it's very similar to the national level - you say the delegate count is not set in stone in Texas, so there's still campaigning to do, but how can that not also apply to national pledged delegates, considering they're technically not bound to their pledged candidate either?
Edit: apparently it doesn't matter. The Good Guy is still A-OK!
It's always nice when your incredulity about the Good Guy doing something shady is rewarded with the revelation that he actually wasn't.
I was looking up noose sizes and preparing to turn into some political-emo kid over it. He saved me by Not Sucking.
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Here's the thing:
*Voters MAY OR MAY NOT go to the general caucus.
*Caucus delegates will PROBABLY go to the county caucus, but you'll still see some people bled out.
*State caucusgoers will ALMOST CERTAINLY go, but you still have to be sure nobody's skipping out.
*EVERYBODY'S going to Denver.
At this point, you still have to do upkeep on your people to make sure they show up. Later on it's not a problem.
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I mean, let's not pretend that Obama is squeaky clean. He's exaggerated his accomplishments, he's said misleading things about Clinton. He's human, and he's running against a finely-tuned smear machine, so it's expected that he would slip up occasionally. He's leagues better than almost any other politician out there in terms of running a dignified campaign, but we still need to call him out when he does something underhanded, rather than shrug it off as politics-as-usual.
Politics-as-usual is what we want to change, remember? We should keep Obama honest, and that means acknowledging when he engages in fuckmuppetry.
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I mean, let's not pretend that Obama is squeaky clean. He's exaggerated his accomplishments, he's said misleading things about Clinton. He's human, and he's running against a finely-tuned smear machine, so it's expected that he would slip up occasionally. He's leagues better than almost any other politician out there in terms of running a dignified campaign, but we still need to call him out when he does something underhanded, rather than shrug it off as politics-as-usual.
Politics-as-usual is what we want to change, remember? We should keep Obama honest, and that means acknowledging when he engages in fuckmuppetry.
I still don't know what Jim Henson was thinking when he made that guy. Worst. Muppet. Ever.
I completely agree. I don't want to just shrug off his bullshit, even when it's shit the other side has already done. Not an excuse. New Politics means just that.
I'm happy this turned out to be a mistake on the Texas party's side, not Obama directly meddling in the delegates. I will call him out if his campaign engages in such questionable shit.
While crying into my Hello Kitty pillow and listening to Death Cab.
The light-green irrelevant straight line has increased its slope imperceptibly!
Oh, happy day!
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I mean, let's not pretend that Obama is squeaky clean. He's exaggerated his accomplishments, he's said misleading things about Clinton. He's human, and he's running against a finely-tuned smear machine, so it's expected that he would slip up occasionally. He's leagues better than almost any other politician out there in terms of running a dignified campaign, but we still need to call him out when he does something underhanded, rather than shrug it off as politics-as-usual.
Politics-as-usual is what we want to change, remember? We should keep Obama honest, and that means acknowledging when he engages in fuckmuppetry.
I still don't know what Jim Henson was thinking when he made that guy. Worst. Muppet. Ever.
I don't know; there's still Elmo to think about.
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You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
That's one thing people forget. Obama's not surging he's been winning the delegate count from day 1. The difference is the supers who assumed Hilary was inevitable and endorsed her really early
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I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link.
I think my taxes are complex, but it all fits in a basic folder. I turned in more papers than this for homework most nights.
You want to give me the option to MAYBE overpay by a small amount or do this shit myself?
Here's my bank account number, Feds. Can you auto withdraw it, too? Seriously, my time is worth more money to me than whatever they'd wind up overcharging me if I didn't itemize what random work related books I bought.
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You know, I'm on the fence about Pelosi in general, she does things I dislike in the name of not turning DC into (more of) a circus.
I'm proud she'd pretty much tell that extortion letter to sit on their bankrolls and spin.
That is the only directive I have gotten as an Obama supporter in TX. The only encouragement I have gotten to call delegates to sway them was from my local Democratic group.
IF HE ONLY SENT IT OUT TO THE SUPERS: Perfectly acceptable.
IF HE SENT IT OUT TO PLEDGED AS WELL AS SUPERS, OR PLEDGED ONLY: Bad Obama. Bad. (Even though I've mused that if Hillary is declaring Obama's pledged up for grabs, it would logically follow that her pledged are up for grabs as well. Still, bad Obama, bad.)
Yeah, but Hillary is certainly making it difficult for him to not want to choke a bitch.
Oh, don't worry - that won't stop her. She's a fighter.
Edit: jotate, mtvcdm - it was sent to Texas caucus delegates. We have another convention this weekend where the delegates from the precinct conventions on March 4th will now vote for their candidate at the county level. I don't think this is particularly a national thing.
"What!? Hillary said herself that the pledged delegates are free to change their minds. I'm just taking her advice on the matter."
I am sure there are better ways to phrase it though.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
It was a pretty weak response to what they were saying. Honestly everytime a super responds to this bullshit its always some lame half answer that has no balls to it. They should be worried about their seats because I know for damn sure I'd vote against these weak willed simps for playing this "Well he can't really lose but we still don't know" bullshit.
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The article is saying not pledged or supers, it's to local delegates who will vote for the pledged.
I just don't like the angle of attack, I do believe the directions posted above that say nothing about calling the other side, I just question that flier. I guess we could email it to Obama's campaign and ask them what the hell is going on here. It's entirely possible that someone went overboard playing politics and missed the playbook that says WE DONUT DO THIS. I can hope.
I end up neutral on it.
Update from Marc Ambinder (as I was making a nice email to the Obama campaign):
Yay, I was very irritated that Obama's camp would try and snipe delegates.
"It's easy to find a low-level guy willing to be thrown under the bus for you."
It's kind of sad that no one got upset over Obama delegates receiving Clinton mail. I guess they were expecting it from her campaign.
Outrage Fatigue. At this point she does so much shady and retarded shit that I'm finding it hard to work up any more than typing "what the FUCK" on the internets over it.
Edit: apparently it doesn't matter. The Good Guy is still A-OK!
I was looking up noose sizes and preparing to turn into some political-emo kid over it. He saved me by Not Sucking.
*Voters MAY OR MAY NOT go to the general caucus.
*Caucus delegates will PROBABLY go to the county caucus, but you'll still see some people bled out.
*State caucusgoers will ALMOST CERTAINLY go, but you still have to be sure nobody's skipping out.
*EVERYBODY'S going to Denver.
At this point, you still have to do upkeep on your people to make sure they show up. Later on it's not a problem.
Unfortunately, I already died my hair black and painted my nails, and am learning to play power-chord only songs on the guitar.
Politics-as-usual is what we want to change, remember? We should keep Obama honest, and that means acknowledging when he engages in fuckmuppetry.
I still don't know what Jim Henson was thinking when he made that guy. Worst. Muppet. Ever.
I'm happy this turned out to be a mistake on the Texas party's side, not Obama directly meddling in the delegates. I will call him out if his campaign engages in such questionable shit.
While crying into my Hello Kitty pillow and listening to Death Cab.
to moniker: I know what he was thinking... :winky:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/104555/955/7/484087
Oh, happy day!
I don't know; there's still Elmo to think about.
The green line does appear to be ducking its head in its headlong dash.
How depressed is Jon Stewart that they're off this week?
You lie, sir! The increase in the light-green line is clearly perceptible!
Looks like somebody playing Qix.
Obama doesn't want to simplify your tax returns, he wants to steal your monies!
I think my taxes are complex, but it all fits in a basic folder. I turned in more papers than this for homework most nights.
You want to give me the option to MAYBE overpay by a small amount or do this shit myself?
Here's my bank account number, Feds. Can you auto withdraw it, too? Seriously, my time is worth more money to me than whatever they'd wind up overcharging me if I didn't itemize what random work related books I bought.