The Phobos kid seems completely out of place in an full scale alien invasion. In a Shield outfit, no less; they probably had it special made. Still, if it works out, I propose he joins Power Pack.
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Justice Society #16 was awesome. It wasn't explosions or action or anything, but it was such a fun read. Gog is so creepy with his smile
What's so cool about a little girl killing dudes? This is as inscrutable to me as when you guys got excited about Barracuda shooting a baby in Punisher.
What's so cool about a little girl killing dudes? This is as inscrutable to me as when you guys got excited about Barracuda shooting a baby in Punisher.
We aren't celebrating the fact a little girl is doing it or that a baby was (supposedly) killed. It's just shocking in a "I can't believe they did that" kind of way. And, to be fair, the girl killed a bunch of drug dealers and gangsters that were going to kill Kick-Ass. To me, it's the same as seeing Nova ripping out Annihilus' throat (zomg spoilers!) or any other desensitized act these days.
I'm not saying you are wrong or we're right for enjoying or finding that to be a "moment", but you don't seem, and I could be wrong and missed you voicing concerns over it, to have a problem with Walking Dead level violence as long as it is on and by adults. Is that correct? Is it just the fact it's a little girl that makes it inscrutable to you?
I, personally, see this as a disturbed girl that, after seeing a "super hero", takes out what would have probably ended up a school shooting or other desparate act, if we looked at this in a completely real world setting, in the form of super hero vigilantism. I'm still treating it as an over the top take on real life super heroes and don't actually see or choose to ignore the fact it's a 12 year old girl (or whatever) killing people and it's just a mature themed super hero comic.
Interesting take on it by you though. First tiem I've noticed comments along those lines. Were you upset about the 16 year old Kick-Ass (think he's 16) beating people half to death with asps in the previous issue or did the clearly underage little girl cross the line? Again, just looking for more info on what made this particular scene worse than others in comics, not judging or criticizing your view.
What's so cool about a little girl killing dudes? This is as inscrutable to me as when you guys got excited about Barracuda shooting a baby in Punisher.
holy fucking shit that's a comically oversized gun
he did use it to kill a giant super skrull
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edited June 2008
Is it bad that I dropped Secret Invasion and all related cross-overs this week? I just wasn't getting into it.
Is it also bad that I'm probably dropping Iron Fist after Fraction moves on?
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Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
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I think the main problem is that it smacks of just another one of those summer specials that probably won't do anything. I expect it to end in some farcical deus ex machina.
Like Tony Stark will wake up at the end covered in bourbon sweat from the previous night's debaucheries and realize it was all a drunken nightmare or something.
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Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
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Descendant XSkyrim is my god now.Outpost 31Registered Userregular
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See, that just goes to show that I've not been following Marvel comics closely enough.
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Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
I wasn't moralizing. I just don't get the whole, "I can't believe they did that!" thing. I mean, this is Millar and, in the other example, Ennis. They've made a career out of doing stuff like this.
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
like spider-man's unmasking, right
(take that)
yeah that one thing was undone
but Civil War completley changed the Marvel U
Most of the changes are super ficial though. Civil War did change things, but the entire New Avengers / unregistered heroes thing is just one big running cliche with them always being let go. There's never any conflict there and the teams never once fought and the pro-Regs never even attempted to take the NA team in.
There's definitely change, but a lot of it feels like they could have done it without Civil War ever having happened. Everything in NA or MIghty could have happened without the pro or anti-regs, same with launching a government sponsored Initiative or the Thunderbolts.
It just feels more like they are telling us somethign big, dramatic and long lasting happened instead of it actually having occured. Like Crisis of Infinite Earths changed everything about the DCU. Infinite Crisis didn't do anything. THere were superficial changes, but, like Civil War, nothing built off of it and every possible story telling possibility was ignored in favour of moving onto WWH and then SI and after this we'll probably move on to whatever Doom has planned and so on. Just constant chagnes in status quo that promptly get ignored.
Anotehr big example is Spider-Man. House of M / remembering life with Gwen, having kids, etc? One issue in Son of M and enver mentioned again, despite numerous story telling possibilities and conflict with MJ and his current life. The Other, where he died and came back to life and got new powers? Forgotten immediately in favour of Iron Spidey. Iron Spidey? Some neat possibilities with an ugly costume forgotten (well, it's in Initiative now I guess) so they could unmask him. We all know how that one turned out. And all of that and the last 20 years were forgotten in favour of Brand New Day.
Yes, there wer edozens of status quo changes for Spidey in the last while and all of them were huge deals and should have had long lasting implications, but none of them delivered and were skipped in favour of the next big thing.
I can see where Descendant X is coming from with SI, as I'm not overly impressed (well, the scenes are impressive, but generica nd I know nothing will come from any of it and it will be glossed over 3 months after SI ends) with anything happening. It looks like it should be a great event, but I can't get emotionally invovled in teh slightest and I think it's more to do with the constant "universe altering" status quo shifts that amount to basically nothing, in my opinion at least.
House of M irrevocably changed the entire X-corner of the universe, the entire direction of that franchise is still being driven by the fallout of that event
You may have also forgotten that House of M was the impetus for Ms. Marvel to become a hero again, her solo title launched out of the aftermath and her profile has been raised from 3rd string avenger with nonsensical history to field leader of one of Marvel's premiere teams
Anotehr big example is Spider-Man. House of M / remembering life with Gwen, having kids, etc? One issue in Son of M and enver mentioned again, despite numerous story telling possibilities and conflict with MJ and his current life.
This right here pissed me off more than anything else Marvel has done in the past five years.
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
like spider-man's unmasking, right
(take that)
Well, I mean, if he hadn't unmasked, no one would know who he is, including the Kingpin, and the hit would have never been put out on his aunt, who would have never been shot, which means the entirety of One More Day wouldn't have happened, so Brand New Day would have never happened so pretty much you are entirely wrong there Keith.
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
like spider-man's unmasking, right
(take that)
Well, I mean, if he hadn't unmasked, no one would know who he is, including the Kingpin, and the hit would have never been put out on his aunt, who would have never been shot, which means the entirety of One More Day wouldn't have happened, so Brand New Day would have never happened so pretty much you are entirely wrong there Keith.
Well as far as i can see the fight was going at the middle up to a point where a "giant" skrull with uber powers came and pawned both nubile avengers and initative. Whoose powers did he had? Electro?
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
like spider-man's unmasking, right
(take that)
Well, I mean, if he hadn't unmasked, no one would know who he is, including the Kingpin, and the hit would have never been put out on his aunt, who would have never been shot, which means the entirety of One More Day wouldn't have happened, so Brand New Day would have never happened so pretty much you are entirely wrong there Keith.
Well I agree that an unmasked spiderman would have been a challenging title to keep up or even write about but still it is better than having a another green goblin or bizzarro venom.
That is such a horribley one sided argument, you pick and choose the stuff didnt stick and completley ignore everything else
I'm pretty sure I covered every major event from the last little while and gave reasonable explanations as to why I don't think they were all that universe altering. In leiu of side tracking the MotW anymore than it has been, I'll just let it go though.
Here's an awesome Nova splashpage to get things back on track.
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Same goes for Hulkling
Shit just got real.
I don't see how he could possibly hold that comfortably.
Crazy loli with sword puts Robin to shame as best sidekick ever.
Yes, jumping rooftops isn't like in the comic books. Loved the "fuck this, I'm walking" line.
Man, my shop didn't get a full shipment of Kick-Ass and I have to wait until next week.
I was so pissed off.
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We aren't celebrating the fact a little girl is doing it or that a baby was (supposedly) killed. It's just shocking in a "I can't believe they did that" kind of way. And, to be fair, the girl killed a bunch of drug dealers and gangsters that were going to kill Kick-Ass. To me, it's the same as seeing Nova ripping out Annihilus' throat (zomg spoilers!) or any other desensitized act these days.
I'm not saying you are wrong or we're right for enjoying or finding that to be a "moment", but you don't seem, and I could be wrong and missed you voicing concerns over it, to have a problem with Walking Dead level violence as long as it is on and by adults. Is that correct? Is it just the fact it's a little girl that makes it inscrutable to you?
I, personally, see this as a disturbed girl that, after seeing a "super hero", takes out what would have probably ended up a school shooting or other desparate act, if we looked at this in a completely real world setting, in the form of super hero vigilantism. I'm still treating it as an over the top take on real life super heroes and don't actually see or choose to ignore the fact it's a 12 year old girl (or whatever) killing people and it's just a mature themed super hero comic.
Interesting take on it by you though. First tiem I've noticed comments along those lines. Were you upset about the 16 year old Kick-Ass (think he's 16) beating people half to death with asps in the previous issue or did the clearly underage little girl cross the line? Again, just looking for more info on what made this particular scene worse than others in comics, not judging or criticizing your view.
barracuda didn't shoot a baby, though
he just wanted you to think he did
he did use it to kill a giant super skrull
Is it also bad that I'm probably dropping Iron Fist after Fraction moves on?
too soon to tell for number 2
Like Tony Stark will wake up at the end covered in bourbon sweat from the previous night's debaucheries and realize it was all a drunken nightmare or something.
but Marvel events pretty typically always have lasting effects
like spider-man's unmasking, right
(take that)
It just strikes me as par for the course.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
yeah that one thing was undone
but Civil War completley changed the Marvel U
Most of the changes are super ficial though. Civil War did change things, but the entire New Avengers / unregistered heroes thing is just one big running cliche with them always being let go. There's never any conflict there and the teams never once fought and the pro-Regs never even attempted to take the NA team in.
There's definitely change, but a lot of it feels like they could have done it without Civil War ever having happened. Everything in NA or MIghty could have happened without the pro or anti-regs, same with launching a government sponsored Initiative or the Thunderbolts.
It just feels more like they are telling us somethign big, dramatic and long lasting happened instead of it actually having occured. Like Crisis of Infinite Earths changed everything about the DCU. Infinite Crisis didn't do anything. THere were superficial changes, but, like Civil War, nothing built off of it and every possible story telling possibility was ignored in favour of moving onto WWH and then SI and after this we'll probably move on to whatever Doom has planned and so on. Just constant chagnes in status quo that promptly get ignored.
Anotehr big example is Spider-Man. House of M / remembering life with Gwen, having kids, etc? One issue in Son of M and enver mentioned again, despite numerous story telling possibilities and conflict with MJ and his current life. The Other, where he died and came back to life and got new powers? Forgotten immediately in favour of Iron Spidey. Iron Spidey? Some neat possibilities with an ugly costume forgotten (well, it's in Initiative now I guess) so they could unmask him. We all know how that one turned out. And all of that and the last 20 years were forgotten in favour of Brand New Day.
Yes, there wer edozens of status quo changes for Spidey in the last while and all of them were huge deals and should have had long lasting implications, but none of them delivered and were skipped in favour of the next big thing.
I can see where Descendant X is coming from with SI, as I'm not overly impressed (well, the scenes are impressive, but generica nd I know nothing will come from any of it and it will be glossed over 3 months after SI ends) with anything happening. It looks like it should be a great event, but I can't get emotionally invovled in teh slightest and I think it's more to do with the constant "universe altering" status quo shifts that amount to basically nothing, in my opinion at least.
You may have also forgotten that House of M was the impetus for Ms. Marvel to become a hero again, her solo title launched out of the aftermath and her profile has been raised from 3rd string avenger with nonsensical history to field leader of one of Marvel's premiere teams
So much wasted potential.
Also, that was the thing that pissed you off most of all?
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would that have been a bad thing??
Well I agree that an unmasked spiderman would have been a challenging title to keep up or even write about but still it is better than having a another green goblin or bizzarro venom.
I'm pretty sure I covered every major event from the last little while and gave reasonable explanations as to why I don't think they were all that universe altering. In leiu of side tracking the MotW anymore than it has been, I'll just let it go though.
Here's an awesome Nova splashpage to get things back on track.
But that's aside from the point, which was that nothing changed because of the unmasking when in reality everything changed because of the unmasking.