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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Also the convention floor looks a bit like a Union Jack. :P
    That was my first thought, too. :lol:

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fellow masochists, live coverage of a POW/Vagina rally and speeches in Pennsyltucky, PA on CNN now.

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    DacDac Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This is what I think of looking at that concept drawing:
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg[img][/img]

    I hate to Godwin the thread, but .... is anyone else getting Nazi or USSR vibes? Maybe it's just all the red.

    No, Albert Speer is so far better than that it's like comparing a permit set to a 4 year old's drawing of a house with 7 lines and an orange roof. Socialist Realism was also extraordinarily good at designs intended for mass gatherings and exalting a central speaker. This is not one of those designs. It gives me the feeling of nouveau riche televangelist.

    ....

    Interesting. I don't think I've ever been party to a "No, no, no, it's not Naziesque, they would have done FAR better work" conversation before.

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg

    I hate to Godwin the thread, but .... is anyone else getting Nazi or USSR vibes? Maybe it's just all the red.

    The first two words that popped into my head when I saw this were:

    "Yikes!"

    and then immediately after:

    "Nazis?"

    My first thought was "where are all the neon blues and pinks and angular shapes?" Then I was like "Oh right, Republicans. They know it isn't 1989."

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Mincing the difference between senator vs. governor, what committees they served on or 2-6 years is completely irrelevant. They are all talking heads doing what they are told by the people behind them. They get to make decisions but not after running it by 30 of their advisers. All that matters is that they look good on camera, speak well, and make the American public feel like their lives matter.

    There's no such thing as "experience" when it comes to politicians, man! If, like, McCain nominated a hobo he'd be just as qualified as anyone else because politicians are just, like, puppets, dude!

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    KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Mincing the difference between senator vs. governor, what committees they served on or 2-6 years is completely irrelevant. They are all talking heads doing what they are told by the people behind them. They get to make decisions but not after running it by 30 of their advisers. All that matters is that they look good on camera, speak well, and make the American public feel like their lives matter.

    There's no such thing as "experience" when it comes to politicians, man! If, like, McCain nominated a hobo he'd be just as qualified as anyone else because politicians are just, like, puppets, dude!

    Hobo's don't speak well on camera. If you actually think these people don't get elected because they speak well or look good at public appearances you're confused.

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Mincing the difference between senator vs. governor, what committees they served on or 2-6 years is completely irrelevant. They are all talking heads doing what they are told by the people behind them. They get to make decisions but not after running it by 30 of their advisers. All that matters is that they look good on camera, speak well, and make the American public feel like their lives matter.

    There's no such thing as "experience" when it comes to politicians, man! If, like, McCain nominated a hobo he'd be just as qualified as anyone else because politicians are just, like, puppets, dude!

    Hobo's don't speak well on camera. If you actually think these people don't get elected because they speak well or look good at public appearances you're confused.

    Don't mind him. He's a hobosexual.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Mincing the difference between senator vs. governor, what committees they served on or 2-6 years is completely irrelevant. They are all talking heads doing what they are told by the people behind them. They get to make decisions but not after running it by 30 of their advisers. All that matters is that they look good on camera, speak well, and make the American public feel like their lives matter.

    There's no such thing as "experience" when it comes to politicians, man! If, like, McCain nominated a hobo he'd be just as qualified as anyone else because politicians are just, like, puppets, dude!

    Hobo's don't speak well on camera. If you actually think these people don't get elected because they speak well or look good at public appearances you're confused.

    If you actually think these people get elected only because they speak well, and that experience has absolutely no impact on their ability to get things done, you're as equally confused.

    I am amused at your attempt to take "but, what has (insert political figure here) really done?" to the outer limits of absurdity, though.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg

    I hate to Godwin the thread, but .... is anyone else getting Nazi or USSR vibes? Maybe it's just all the red.

    The first two words that popped into my head when I saw this were:

    "Yikes!"

    and then immediately after:

    "Nazis?"

    My first thought was "where are all the neon blues and pinks and angular shapes?" Then I was like "Oh right, Republicans. They know it isn't 1989."

    No, apparently they think it's 1939.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg[img][/img]

    I hate to Godwin the thread, but .... is anyone else getting Nazi or USSR vibes? Maybe it's just all the red.

    No, Albert Speer is so far better than that it's like comparing a permit set to a 4 year old's drawing of a house with 7 lines and an orange roof. Socialist Realism was also extraordinarily good at designs intended for mass gatherings and exalting a central speaker. This is not one of those designs. It gives me the feeling of nouveau riche televangelist.

    ....

    Interesting. I don't think I've ever been party to a "No, no, no, it's not Naziesque, they would have done FAR better work" conversation before.

    When it comes to architecture, design, and symbolism? Authoritarian regimes realize the propaganda virtue of the built environment and make damn sure to capitalize on that effect as much as they can. As such their designers are especially good in that respect, which is what we're talking about here. Among them, Speer has no equal. The Cathedral of Light at Nuremberg rallies is just a breathtaking notion and genius on several levels. This? It's pathetic in every respect.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    McCain saying Palin will help him stand up to the people in Warshington who've corrupted everything.

    Good thing John McCain's finally getting around to that now, since he's never been in Warshington before or anything.

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

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    Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Dac wrote: »
    This is what I think of looking at that concept drawing:
    V-Vend-movie-35.jpg


    This is what I think of looking at what you think of looking at that concept drawing:
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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

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    lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Annoying interview with Geraldine Ferraro on NPR this afternoon. At the end she was asked who she was voting for and in true bitter style said she would go into the voting booth and choose based on her principles.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

    Or he wants to replace the national anthem with "Wonderwall".

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    Annoying interview with Geraldine Ferraro on NPR this afternoon. At the end she was asked who she was voting for and in true bitter style said she would go into the voting booth and choose based on her principles.

    Which means she'll likely vote Dem, but not tell anyone because then she'd have to admit she's just been throwing a tantrum.

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    OmeksOmeks Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg

    I like how there are a whole bunch seats behind the obscenely large American flag projection screen. In fact, it looks like half the audience will be on the other side of the people who are talking.

    "I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S HAPPANING!"

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

    Or take it over, who knows.

    Point is something has to be involved with the UK.

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    Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

    Or he wants to replace the national anthem with "Wonderwall".

    Or "She's Got a Ticket to Ride" (which was originally titled: "She's Got a Ticket to Ride and the Bitch Don't Care, Man.")

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Omeks wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg

    I like how there are a whole bunch seats behind the obscenely large American flag projection screen. In fact, it looks like half the audience will be on the other side of the people who are talking.

    "I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S HAPPANING!"

    That's the reach-around section.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

    Or he wants to replace the national anthem with "Wonderwall".

    Now there's a policy I can get behind!

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Anyone thinking that Palin's children are going to be a huge benefit to her in the Veep debates? She just gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome, and that's going to be a very volatile emotional trigger for the abortion part of the debates.

    Also, I must say, I find news commentators referring to her as "that gal" or "the girl" quite a-Palin, and even worse is the occasional 'former beauty queen picked as running mate!'.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    The seats are arranged in kindof a union jack. I wonder how we can read into that...

    John McCain is the Manchesterian Candidate!

    He wants us to go back under British rule?

    Or he wants to replace the national anthem with "Wonderwall".

    Now there's a policy I can get behind!

    Republicans are so anal.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

    But....Biden's son WAS just deployed...

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    Rufus_ShinraRufus_Shinra Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    This is what I think of looking at that concept drawing:
    V-Vend-movie-35.jpg


    This is what I think of looking at what you think of looking at that concept drawing:
    Pink+Floyd+The+Wall+-+Crossed+Hammers.jpg
    Oooh, I love free association games. And I think of a cute panda!

    But a panda with the sniffles. :'(

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Anyone thinking that Palin's children are going to be a huge benefit to her in the Veep debates? She just gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome, and that's going to be a very volatile emotional trigger for the abortion part of the debates.

    Also, I must say, I find news commentators referring to her as "that gal" or "the girl" quite a-Palin, and even worse is the occasional 'former beauty queen picked as running mate!'.

    She's speaking right now, and she opened up by introducing her husband (high school sweethearts!) and each of her kids individually, with the exception of the baby who was sleeping.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

    But....Biden's son WAS just deployed...

    Beau Biden only alluded to that when introducing Joe at the DNC, and Joe didn't mention it during his speech. Palin just blatantly plugged her son's deployment during the speech she's making right now.

    Oh, and she's bragging about "cutting wasteful spending" when she was mayor of Bumfuck, Alaska. Because nobody has access to the internet to fact check that.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Omeks wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    Concept drawing of the Republican National Convention:

    goppodiumsmall.jpg[img][/img]

    I like how there are a whole bunch seats behind the obscenely large American flag projection screen. In fact, it looks like half the audience will be on the other side of the people who are talking.

    "I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S HAPPANING!"

    Delegates would be on the floor. Those candy cane poles appear to be for the delegate signs representing the various states. Randoms will probably only fill up the 1/3rd of seats along the major axis of the ellipse, with the important people getting sky boxes. Not sure if that red box projecting from the center is for Press, but that would be my first guess. Everything else isn't really for people to sit in, you just can't exactly hide half a stadium because it's empty.

    Which is one other reason of why this is piss poor. They centered along the major axis in order to get the egalitarianism of a theatre in the round, except that it wastes more space in the setting than is really necessary, and the radial aisles reduce the democratic notion regardless. It's several mixed messages, the guy behind it doesn't have any apparent kind of cogent philosophy when it comes to his approach on these things.

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    Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    This is what I think of looking at that concept drawing:
    V-Vend-movie-35.jpg


    This is what I think of looking at what you think of looking at that concept drawing:
    Pink+Floyd+The+Wall+-+Crossed+Hammers.jpg
    Oooh, I love free association games. And I think of a cute panda!

    But a panda with the sniffles. :'(
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    KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Mincing the difference between senator vs. governor, what committees they served on or 2-6 years is completely irrelevant. They are all talking heads doing what they are told by the people behind them. They get to make decisions but not after running it by 30 of their advisers. All that matters is that they look good on camera, speak well, and make the American public feel like their lives matter.

    There's no such thing as "experience" when it comes to politicians, man! If, like, McCain nominated a hobo he'd be just as qualified as anyone else because politicians are just, like, puppets, dude!

    Hobo's don't speak well on camera. If you actually think these people don't get elected because they speak well or look good at public appearances you're confused.

    If you actually think these people get elected only because they speak well, and that experience has absolutely no impact on their ability to get things done, you're as equally confused.

    I am amused at your attempt to take "but, what has (insert political figure here) really done?" to the outer limits of absurdity, though.

    Where did I say that? I said that image is a big part of it. The policy makers don't run for office, they work for campaigns that win. Being a politician is a lot about image.

    Sarah Palin was a city council woman, a mayor and has served as a governor for 2 years.

    Hillary served in the Senate for 6 years and was a first lady. She has the edge to Palin on formal education.

    They both sound good on camera and say the right things.

    I'm not suggesting that Palin is ready to be President and I don't much care since I'm not voting for that ticket but this notion that Hillary Clinton is the epitome of "experienced" is fucking laughable. She's an accomplished politician just like a lot of accomplished politicians but she's only served 6 years in office and has a law degree. Big fucking deal.

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

    But....Biden's son WAS just deployed...

    Beau Biden only alluded to that when introducing Joe at the DNC, and Joe didn't mention it during his speech. Palin just blatantly plugged her son's deployment during the speech she's making right now.

    Oh, and she's bragging about "cutting wasteful spending" when she was mayor of Bumfuck, Alaska. Because nobody has access to the internet to fact check that.

    My head hurts, I need to go lie down.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

    But....Biden's son WAS just deployed...
    Hey. HEY. You know facts are irrelevant.

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    GlaealGlaeal Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Anyone thinking that Palin's children are going to be a huge benefit to her in the Veep debates? She just gave birth to a child with Downs Syndrome, and that's going to be a very volatile emotional trigger for the abortion part of the debates.

    If it turns out that the child isn't actually hers, but her daughters, it will ruin her and the Republicans.

    Otherwise, yes, that's the only thing you'll hear about.

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    Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    "My son is in Iraq" is Palin's POW.

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    Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ahahahahaha the crowd just booed when she mentioned Hillary. So much for that line of attack.

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    Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Blackjack wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Oh god, Palin is so blatantly flogging that her oldest kid is going to be deployed, unlike Joe Biden. Stay classy!

    But....Biden's son WAS just deployed...
    Hey. HEY. You know facts are irrelevant.

    I think Lawndart's comment was meant to suggest that using a son or daughter who's being/been deployed as a bargaining chip in a political campaign =/= classy.

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