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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    Jesus, while powerful, I don't think I ever want to see that on TV, ever.

    I do. It makes a very valid point and some people are too dense to understand it without an emotional appeal.
    That's one thing that I think the liberal side of the issue is really only just coming to understand. It doesn't matter if you've got the right position on paper if you can't connect emotionally. Obama's doing it at a national level and the results speak for themselves.

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    VothVoth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93RMLAO0&show_article=1&catnum=0
    HOLLAND, Ohio (AP) - Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/237630.php
    It turns out Joe the "Plumber" is like the perfect McCain supporter. He says Social Security is a joke and he "hates" it.
    Methinks McCain should have found a different plumber.

    He doesn't need a license? Is that just for Ohio? Unless you're an apprentice, then you have to have a license in Oregon for plumbing.

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    Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    Powerful:

    Played on DC area cable channels post debate apparently.

    Digg it

    Extremely.
    There's one with the mother as well, with a slightly different transcript (obviously).

    The daughter is more powerful, emotionally.

    As a side note, I honestly hope she's an actor.

    After that commercial, she got up and yelled "ACTING!!!"

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    BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    For some reason fox news is on at work and they keep on bringing up this acorn thing in Ohio. Is there any word on unbiased news sites about the challenge to 200,000 voters actually going thru?

    If so oh the irony?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I agree with that the Mother's isn't as powerful, but it does reinforce how condescending Sarah Palin's views make the government look.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I agree with that the Mother's isn't as powerful, but it does reinforce how condescending Sarah Palin's views make the government look.
    It's a nice companion piece that invokes the girl's ad while adding some new elements. On it's own, though, it's not nearly as strong.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    anable wrote: »
    kildy wrote: »
    Jesus, while powerful, I don't think I ever want to see that on TV, ever.

    I'm kinda surprised they didn't throw the whole rape kit thing in there for good measure.

    It needs no changes.

    I wouldn't mind "Fuck you Governor Palin" at the end.
    But we have to be polite while discussing forcing a rape victim to carry a child to term.

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    GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    agoaj wrote: »
    What was up with Obama saying 100% of McCain's ads were negative?
    There was a week recently where they actually were. No word on what's been going on since.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So apparently, for McCain, the DMCA is getting its revenge. He's complaining about Youtube pulling ads where he used Fox/CBS news clips and trying to get an exception to their policy for political campaigns.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Tomanta wrote: »
    So apparently, for McCain, the DMCA is getting its revenge. He's complaining about Youtube pulling ads where he used Fox/CBS news clips and trying to get an exception to their policy for political campaigns.

    And Google has told him where to go shove it.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The media is amazingly retarded, but so are kos diarists today.

    Note to liberals: talking about a stupid plumber from Ohio is not talking about the economy which is a win for McCain. Christ.

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    enderwiggin13enderwiggin13 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Tomanta wrote: »
    So apparently, for McCain, the DMCA is getting its revenge. He's complaining about Youtube pulling ads where he used Fox/CBS news clips and trying to get an exception to their policy for political campaigns.

    And The Google has told him where to go shove it.

    Fixed.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Maybe McCain could win if it's revealed that Obama had a white baby.

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    Captain UltraCaptain Ultra low resolution pictures of birds Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, so far, he's had about a half of a white baby.


    'cause his daughters would be a quarter-white.


    I feel dirty....

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The media is amazingly retarded, but so are kos diarists today.

    Note to liberals: talking about a stupid plumber from Ohio is not talking about the economy which is a win for McCain. Christ.
    Be fair. Kos diarists are retarded most days.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Maybe McCain could win if it's revealed that Obama screams like a terrorist while he's sleeping.

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    Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    I had to miss the debate last night but I caught snippets of it on the radio today while running out to get lunch at work. Caught the Joe the Plumber segment among other things but from the tone of McCain's voice it sounded like he was about two steps away from just falling out in the floor and literally throwing a tantrum screaming "But I wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnaaaaa be President!!!!"

    For you people that got to watch the whole thing, did he sound so snide the entire time?

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Maybe McCain could win if it's revealed that Obama screams like a terrorist while he's sleeping.

    I don't know, because it's already pretty obvious that he's a terrorist and yet the blame-America-first crowd is still voting for him.
    For you people that got to watch the whole thing, did he sound so snide the entire time?

    Sound and look; he had a cocky sneer on his face most of the debate.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I had to miss the debate last night but I caught snippets of it on the radio today while running out to get lunch at work. Caught the Joe the Plumber segment among other things but from the tone of McCain's voice it sounded like he was about two steps away from just falling out in the floor and literally throwing a tantrum screaming "But I wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnaaaaa be President!!!!"

    For you people that got to watch the whole thing, did he sound so snide the entire time?

    The biggest question I had halfway through was whether he was coming off as an asshole because I didn't like him and others would think he was 'strong' or just because he was acting like an asshole. It was the latter.
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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

    So from his statement: Palin > Lincoln?

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    Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    Son of a bitch.

    I get so sick of McCain rolling his eyes like that. With as old as that fucker is you'd think he'd have learned how to act like an adult by now. At the very least while on national television during a debate.

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    Darkchampion3dDarkchampion3d Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Son of a bitch.

    I get so sick of McCain rolling his eyes like that. With as old as that fucker is you'd think he'd have learned how to act like an adult by now. At the very least while on national television during a debate.

    In a few weeks we will all have the satisfaction of watching his smug face concede defeat.

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

    So from his statement: Palin > Lincoln?

    At least Palin hasn't turned her back on General McCellan, unlike that bastard troop-hatin' Lincoln!

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    NartwakNartwak Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

    So from his statement: Palin > Lincoln?
    George W. Bush > Lincoln too.

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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Seriously, this Joe the Plumber crap has to stop. CNN is making mention of him every 10 minutes or so... it's ridiculous.

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    Ghandi 2Ghandi 2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    geckahn wrote: »
    Powerful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IS0PJdE0Cs

    Played on DC area cable channels post debate apparently.

    Digg it
    Whether or not it is a person has nothing to do with you being raped GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I'm sorry for her, and if you want to put more funding in programs for rape victims, go ahead. But things like that frame the debate in dishonest terms.

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    AstraphobiaAstraphobia Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Root! Sleep! Death!Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Son of a bitch.

    I get so sick of McCain rolling his eyes like that. With as old as that fucker is you'd think he'd have learned how to act like an adult by now. At the very least while on national television during a debate.

    For 5 1/2 years he couldn't roll his eyes, give the guy a break.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Nartwak wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

    So from his statement: Palin > Lincoln?
    George W. Bush > Lincoln too.

    My... aunt actually thinks W is the best president ever. So yeah.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    More funding to force rape victims to keep their attacker's children?

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    MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Damn, that is kind of an intense commercial

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    SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    Powerful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IS0PJdE0Cs

    Played on DC area cable channels post debate apparently.

    Digg it
    Whether or not it is a person has nothing to do with you being raped GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I'm sorry for her, and if you want to put more funding in programs for rape victims, go ahead. But things like that frame the debate in dishonest terms.

    wtf

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.

    So from his statement: Palin > Lincoln?

    Oh god yes. He said Palin was more qualified then anyone else running at this point.

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    Ghandi 2Ghandi 2 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    More funding to force rape victims to keep their attacker's children?
    Zing! No, I meant for counseling and whatnot.
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.
    In his defense, Lincoln was kind of a dick.

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    RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    More funding to force rape victims to keep their attacker's children?
    Zing! No, I meant for counseling and whatnot.
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.
    In his defense, Lincoln was kind of a dick.

    But he could take a shot like a champ.

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    More funding to force rape victims to keep their attacker's children?
    Zing! No, I meant for counseling and whatnot.
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Mei Hikari wrote: »
    So I guess McCain has to capture Bin Laden in the next 2 weeks if he wants a shot at this.

    I think to be on the safe side, McCain would have to also go back in time to 1938 and kill Hitler.

    I'd say he should go back to 1865 and prevent Lincoln from being shot, but that might alienate too many of the folks that show up for Palin rallies.

    I had a McCainobot on facebook say in clear terms that Abraham lincoln was a terrible president and the civil war was a clusterfuck (mostly because lincoln lacked "Executive experience")

    Now whenever he spews his lies and deceptions i always comment below him "For disclosure purposes, this man wishes he could still own slaves".

    also, i changed my name on facebook to B-Rock.
    In his defense, Lincoln was kind of a dick.

    Yeah, but he did perserve the union and free an entire race of people.

    I think we can let the other stuff slide.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    Whether or not it is a person has nothing to do with you being raped GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I'm sorry for her, and if you want to put more funding in programs for rape victims, go ahead. But things like that frame the debate in dishonest terms.

    Not everyone sees the abortion issue as a simple debate between whether or not a fetus is a person, and suggesting that everyone needs to see it as you do is really framing things dishonestly.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    Whether or not it is a person has nothing to do with you being raped GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I'm sorry for her, and if you want to put more funding in programs for rape victims, go ahead. But things like that frame the debate in dishonest terms.

    A super majority of people the abortion issue as a simple debate between whether or not a fetus is a person.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    Powerful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IS0PJdE0Cs

    Played on DC area cable channels post debate apparently.

    Digg it
    Whether or not it is a person has nothing to do with you being raped GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I'm sorry for her, and if you want to put more funding in programs for rape victims, go ahead. But things like that frame the debate in dishonest terms.

    wtf

    I'm pretty sure the issue is whether or not she's a person.

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