How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
Palin's pastor. When he was starting out as a missionary in Africa, he was stationed in a little village that had some bad crime, and was in just a bad mess overall. He convinced the population that one woman in particular was a witch and was causing these problems, and turned everyone against her, eventually forcing her to move away. But he's good conservative, and modern-day witch hunts just don't compare for ratings to "God damn, America!"
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
john mccain's pastor is a witch-hunter
I don't mean in the sense that he is a McCarthyist or something.
I mean it literally. He hunts witches.
What the fuck what are you talking about?
There's enough bad information spreading around this year already. Don't add to the problem.
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
john mccain's pastor is a witch-hunter
I don't mean in the sense that he is a McCarthyist or something.
I mean it literally. He hunts witches.
He drove a Kenyan woman out of her village because she was causing car accidents in alaska via...witchcraft???
Montana and Idaho are the only Canadian-bordering states that Obama doesn't lead according to the 2-3 most recent polls. (Oh, and Alaska too until it cedes to face the Russia threat post-Rapture)
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
john mccain's pastor is a witch-hunter
I don't mean in the sense that he is a McCarthyist or something.
I mean it literally. He hunts witches.
He drove a Kenyan woman out of her village because she was causing car accidents in alaska via...witchcraft???
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
john mccain's pastor is a witch-hunter
I don't mean in the sense that he is a McCarthyist or something.
I mean it literally. He hunts witches.
He drove a Kenyan woman out of her village because she was causing car accidents in alaska via...witchcraft???
John McCain's was John Hagee who, in addition to also being batshit, also has a last name that ends with "ee"
Yeah, it's easy to get them confused. Honestly, I'm not sure why we care so much about pastors now. I mean, I've heard PLENTY of crazy sermons. I think it's a requirement, actually.
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes. So 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
How do you think the country would have responded if Barack and Michelle had five kids, and the oldest, at 17, was pregnant and unmarried? He wouldn't have made it past the first state primary. But it's a Republican, and it's good old small-town values. How do you think the country would react if Barack and Michelle were members of the Illinois Independance Party advocating for secession from the Union? How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?
There is absolutely a double-fucking-standard in this country when it comes to Republicans, so don't get all huffy when some of the more angry members of the public boil it all down to "Fuck Republicans."
Calm the fuck down, I wasn't being huffy, I just wanted to know specifically what he was talking about.
You're the one who's making false comparisons now, Palin would not have gotten past the primary either, and I don't think McCain-Palin would have either. I would have voted for Romney, and I bet a lot of other people would have too, it was a close race for a while. There is no evidence for the second point except for that video from 2006, which was not a ringing endorsement of them at all. I haven't even heard of that last one.
While you guys I'm sure were laughing at the Daily Show clip of O'Reilly on Bristol vs O'Reilly on Jamie Spears, there are sometimes different circumstances that cause people to make different judgements! I will agree that there was a massive flip-flop on the experience issue.
How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?"
Wait wait wait, is there some awesome story i'm missing here?
john mccain's pastor is a witch-hunter
I don't mean in the sense that he is a McCarthyist or something.
I mean it literally. He hunts witches.
He drove a Kenyan woman out of her village because she was causing car accidents in alaska via...witchcraft???
John McCain's was John Hagee who, in addition to also being batshit, also has a last name that ends with "ee"
Yeah, it's easy to get them confused. Honestly, I'm not sure why we care so much about pastors now. I mean, I've heard PLENTY of crazy sermons. I think it's a requirement, actually.
Hagee is not McCain's pastor, he's a pastor who endorsed McCain. He's one in the same as Robertson or undead Falwell. I have no idea what church McCain goes to, and don't think he attends regularly anyway so crazy or no it wouldn't matter. Even in the idiotic guilt by association metric that gets used today for some reason.
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes. So 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
Well those intrepid entrepreneurial spirits, if they have half a brain, would elect to file under different schedules and take a tax cut on their actual personal salary instead of a hike on the business income....
...right?
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How do you think the country would have responded if Barack and Michelle had five kids, and the oldest, at 17, was pregnant and unmarried? He wouldn't have made it past the first state primary. But it's a Republican, and it's good old small-town values. How do you think the country would react if Barack and Michelle were members of the Illinois Independance Party advocating for secession from the Union? How do you think the country would have reacted if Jeremiah Wright, when starting out as a Reverend, had driven a woman out of town by raising her neighbors against her by claiming she was a witch?
There is absolutely a double-fucking-standard in this country when it comes to Republicans, so don't get all huffy when some of the more angry members of the public boil it all down to "Fuck Republicans."
There is no evidence for the second point except for that video from 2006, which was not a ringing endorsement of them at all.
[Director of Alaska Division of Elections Gail] Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes. So 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
Well those intrepid entrepreneurial spirits, if they have half a brain, would elect to file under different schedules and take a tax cut on their actual personal salary instead of a hike on the business income....
...right?
They will now thanks to socialists like Obama who is kept in the thrall of the Accounting Lobby and its members who desire the gains to be got by making all those people figure out how to file different taxes.
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
Well those intrepid entrepreneurial spirits, if they have half a brain, would elect to file under different schedules and take a tax cut on their actual personal salary instead of a hike on the business income....
...right?
They will now thanks to socialists like Obama who is kept in the thrall of the Accounting Lobby and its members who desire the gains to be got by making all those people figure out how to file different taxes.
Ok, so there's no huge point i'm missing right, mccain's argument really is that fucking retarded?
They will now thanks to socialists like Obama who is kept in the thrall of the Accounting Lobby and its members who desire the gains to be got by making all those people figure out how to file different taxes.
Ok, so there's no huge point i'm missing right, mccain's argument really is that fucking deceptive?
Its not so much his point is retarded as he thinks the American people are dumb enough to swallow whatever he puts out there if he repeats it enough and is unscrupulous enough to make deceptive claims.
I can't help but feel like some of the things McCain says are bald faced lies. Obama raising taxes on small businesses? Just how small of a business is pulling in a quarter million each year? Shouldn't they incorporate on that kind of cash?
If you take the broadest definition of "small business" -- any organization that files a Schedule C, E, or F -- then Obama raises taxes on about 2% of small businesses. But because, like everything else in the American economy, the vast majority of small business profit is concentrated with a few very well-off businesses, raising taxes on that top 2% is apparently a tax on something like 60% of all small business income.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
Well those intrepid entrepreneurial spirits, if they have half a brain, would elect to file under different schedules and take a tax cut on their actual personal salary instead of a hike on the business income....
...right?
They will now thanks to socialists like Obama who is kept in the thrall of the Accounting Lobby and its members who desire the gains to be got by making all those people figure out how to file different taxes.
Ok, so there's no huge point i'm missing right, mccain's argument really is that fucking retarded?
The best part is, if you follow the CNN link I provided, McCain's definition of small business owner is ridiculously broad. Barack Obama counts as a small business owner by McCain's definition, because of his income from book royalties.
[Director of Alaska Division of Elections Gail] Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.
I wasn't aware of that, those crazy Alaskans.
But it's a good thing Todd isn't vice presidennt. ;-)
It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.
Did McCain campaign this way in his other elections?
You rarely have to campaign at all when you're an incumbent, and he was elected along the Reagan landslide era as the appointed heir of Barry Goldwater. So aside from 2000, this is probably the most he's had to actually campaign when in a crucible.
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[Director of Alaska Division of Elections Gail] Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.
I wasn't aware of that, those crazy Alaskans.
But it's a good thing Todd isn't vice presidennt. ;-)
True. But if Michelle Obama or Jill Biden were part of a separatist movement, Fox News would never get tired of shouting it from the highest hilltops. Especially if it were Michelle; we'd be told daily that she was going to reconstitute the Black Panthers from the Presidential bedroom.
It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.
Involves subtlety and isn't a good sound bite. Such it is irrelevant in American politics.
[Director of Alaska Division of Elections Gail] Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.
I wasn't aware of that, those crazy Alaskans.
But it's a good thing Todd isn't vice presidennt. ;-)
He'll just be CC'ed on every bit of Vice-Presidential business and sit in on meetings. They'll call him the Shadow Vice-President. It'll be just like home.
Did McCain campaign this way in his other elections?
To the best of my knowledge he's never really had a competitive race before besides the 2000 primary. Where he got slimed, took it personally (a shock, I know), got angry (again), and self destructed.
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Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
[Director of Alaska Division of Elections Gail] Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.
I wasn't aware of that, those crazy Alaskans.
But it's a good thing Todd isn't vice presidennt. ;-)
Seems he was Vice Governor, though, according to the abuse of power report. And they did a really shitty job at it, too. It's shocking just how shitty they were at corruption. Then again, I guess I'm spoiled.
It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.
It takes more than 30 seconds to explain and make a point. He may have wrapped it into his stump speech with the broader discussion of tax cuts and the economy and abloo, but nobody cares about stump speeches.
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Palin's pastor. When he was starting out as a missionary in Africa, he was stationed in a little village that had some bad crime, and was in just a bad mess overall. He convinced the population that one woman in particular was a witch and was causing these problems, and turned everyone against her, eventually forcing her to move away. But he's good conservative, and modern-day witch hunts just don't compare for ratings to "God damn, America!"
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It's actually Sarah Palin.
http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2008/09/25/palin-kenyan-witch-doctorpastor-helped-me-become-governor/
Bishop Thomas Muthee.
Man. I'm going to see Michelle at a rally in Gainesville on wednesday, but I still wish I could make it down to Orlando tomorrow.
Montana and Idaho are the only Canadian-bordering states that Obama doesn't lead according to the 2-3 most recent polls. (Oh, and Alaska too until it cedes to face the Russia threat post-Rapture)
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hi5! I'm gonna try to get down there after work. But I don't get off til 5 and I don't work exactly close to downtown.
The tax plan applies to individuals- so only small business owners who report their business income as personal would see a tax increase. AFAIK small business owners by no means are required to declare business profits as personal income.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7hJDS26rI
Fixed.
Yeah, it's easy to get them confused. Honestly, I'm not sure why we care so much about pastors now. I mean, I've heard PLENTY of crazy sermons. I think it's a requirement, actually.
The definition of "small business" that McCain is using is anyone who files a Schedule C, E, or F. If you're filing one of those three forms, it's because you're claiming your "small business" income on your personal income taxes. So 100% of McCain's "small businesses" are paying personal income tax.
You're the one who's making false comparisons now, Palin would not have gotten past the primary either, and I don't think McCain-Palin would have either. I would have voted for Romney, and I bet a lot of other people would have too, it was a close race for a while. There is no evidence for the second point except for that video from 2006, which was not a ringing endorsement of them at all. I haven't even heard of that last one.
While you guys I'm sure were laughing at the Daily Show clip of O'Reilly on Bristol vs O'Reilly on Jamie Spears, there are sometimes different circumstances that cause people to make different judgements! I will agree that there was a massive flip-flop on the experience issue. OLD :P
Hagee is not McCain's pastor, he's a pastor who endorsed McCain. He's one in the same as Robertson or undead Falwell. I have no idea what church McCain goes to, and don't think he attends regularly anyway so crazy or no it wouldn't matter. Even in the idiotic guilt by association metric that gets used today for some reason.
Well those intrepid entrepreneurial spirits, if they have half a brain, would elect to file under different schedules and take a tax cut on their actual personal salary instead of a hike on the business income....
...right?
While there isn't good reason to think Sarah was strongly connected to the AIP, Todd was a member for the better part of a decade.
They will now thanks to socialists like Obama who is kept in the thrall of the Accounting Lobby and its members who desire the gains to be got by making all those people figure out how to file different taxes.
Ok, so there's no huge point i'm missing right, mccain's argument really is that fucking retarded?
Its not so much his point is retarded as he thinks the American people are dumb enough to swallow whatever he puts out there if he repeats it enough and is unscrupulous enough to make deceptive claims.
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The best part is, if you follow the CNN link I provided, McCain's definition of small business owner is ridiculously broad. Barack Obama counts as a small business owner by McCain's definition, because of his income from book royalties.
But it's a good thing Todd isn't vice presidennt. ;-)
but they're listening to every word I say
I see they've added new animals for you to shoot.
You rarely have to campaign at all when you're an incumbent, and he was elected along the Reagan landslide era as the appointed heir of Barry Goldwater. So aside from 2000, this is probably the most he's had to actually campaign when in a crucible.
True. But if Michelle Obama or Jill Biden were part of a separatist movement, Fox News would never get tired of shouting it from the highest hilltops. Especially if it were Michelle; we'd be told daily that she was going to reconstitute the Black Panthers from the Presidential bedroom.
Like John Kerry, he hasn't had a serious threat for his seat in a long time.
Of course. We all know he is all about the accountability.
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To the best of my knowledge he's never really had a competitive race before besides the 2000 primary. Where he got slimed, took it personally (a shock, I know), got angry (again), and self destructed.
Seems he was Vice Governor, though, according to the abuse of power report. And they did a really shitty job at it, too. It's shocking just how shitty they were at corruption. Then again, I guess I'm spoiled.
It takes more than 30 seconds to explain and make a point. He may have wrapped it into his stump speech with the broader discussion of tax cuts and the economy and abloo, but nobody cares about stump speeches.
Looking at 538, I really don't think we need to be concerned about their tactics and strategery. They know what they're doing.