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edited January 2009
I have a Mx518. Yes the Mx518 is an excellent mouse. I've been considering that OCZ dominatrix right now just because its an inexpensive weighted mouse and I feel like I need a heavier mouse, but the mx518 is a safe bet.
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edited January 2009
I don't even know whats a good mouse. I'd like a better one because this one actually hurts my hand.
But I can't afford a super one.
Can anyone tell me what to look for in terms of "stats". I know about dpi now and hz but is there anything else I should know?
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I don't even know whats a good mouse. I'd like a better one because this one actually hurts my hand.
But I can't afford a super one.
Can anyone tell me what to look for in terms of "stats". I know about dpi now and hz but is there anything else I should know?
Here's what you should know: save up forty bucks for a Logitech MX518. Apparently there's some dissent 'round these parts on whether it's the best gaming mouse out there, but it's damn good and very reliable. I'm a lazy bastard so I won't back up the following statement with anything like fact-checking, but any mouse that people are touting over the MX518 probably costs at least twice as much. Maybe. Anyway, I've had mine for two years now and I haven't had even the slightest desire to game with anything else. If I know there's going to be a spare box, all I'll bring to a LAN is my MX518. Or rather, that would be true if I didn't know that 80% of all spare rigs at LANs have 518s already.
EDIT: Okay so a large chunk of the Razer line seems to be only about ten bucks more than the 518, as does the optical version SteelSeries Ikari. I stand by the MX518 as my personal favorite mouse, however.
It is not nearly as good as the Razer DeathAdder (approximately $50), which has a more comfortable form factor, glides more smoothly, has more easily-pressed side buttons, and looks much more awesome.
I've also had problems with Logitech's drivers for basically all of their products. Do not install SetPoint, it is a trap.
Just my two cents, but I've owned them both and used both extensively.
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You know you want one.
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I picked up a Roccat Kone because I saw a review that sung it's praises highly. Do not make the same mistake, sure, the mouse is fantastic, but for one little problem; the mouse wheel is fragile as fuck.
Two weeks of normal use, and my wheel was broken. It no longer scrolls, so I'm going to have to send this back for a refund. Will probably get a Deathadder to replace it. It's such a pity too, if the wheel had been reliable, it would have been a great gaming mouse. I'm not the only one who this has happened to.
It's much better than the Razer DeathAdder. It is much more comfortable glides exactly the same as the DeathAdder, and the side buttons are perfectly easy to press and distinguish with your thumb. Also, it looks much better.
Generic mouse drivers work just fine.
I own the 518 and my brother has a DeathAdder.
So basically, it's all preference... unless you prefer something other than the MX518 in which case you suck.
When my default mouse of 5? years broke last spring i picked up a Logitech G9. It was leaps and bounds beyond my old mouse but still too heavy; I move my mice with my fingers, not my arm. In the end, it worked best removing it's surrounding grip and that gave me a lot more control.
I am on the lookout for a small, light gaming mouse; I can't seem to find one suited to my playstyle.
edit- reading more, it looks like I use a "claw grip"
It is not nearly as good as the Razer DeathAdder (approximately $50), which has a more comfortable form factor, glides more smoothly, has more easily-pressed side buttons, and looks much more awesome.
I've also had problems with Logitech's drivers for basically all of their products. Do not install SetPoint, it is a trap.
Just my two cents, but I've owned them both and used both extensively.
It's much better than the Razer DeathAdder. It is much more comfortable glides exactly the same as the DeathAdder, and the side buttons are perfectly easy to press and distinguish with your thumb. Also, it looks much better.
Generic mouse drivers work just fine.
I own the 518 and my brother has a DeathAdder.
So basically, it's all preference... unless you prefer something other than the MX518 in which case you suck.
I am currently holding these two identical statements up and banging their heads together to see if I can work out exactly what is meant by them by the crunching sounds they make.
Would I be able to ask humbly for you to be more precise? What's your hand size each of you, what surface do you use, the little details and stuff, it would be really helpful.
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The DeathAdder doesn't seem to be getting enough love, so I'll toss my hat in that corner.
edit: and not that I'm one of the fellows you asked, but I have big hands, and my 'mouse stance' is index and middle finger mouse 1/2, thumb on the side of the mouse, and pinky / ring finger on the other side (so I can just barely feel the mouse-pad surface.) I move the mouse with my thumb/pinky/ring, and pretty much don't move my wrist at all when I game.
edit2: both are really good mice, though I'm fairly certain the deathadder has the technical edge for whatever that's worth. Maybe just hit up a store and see which one feels better in your hand?
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edited January 2009
Well to help out I've been noticing the mmx400 hurts my wrist. I like to rest my arm and make fine movements with my fingers arching over the base of the mouse and the fingertips gripping just ahead of the middle of the mouse. Kind of like how you are supposed to type but a mouse.
Pretty much the same as your style although I don't think I have big hands. For example if I rest my whole hand on the mmx400 it fits snugly into the palm and curves over without much overlap. I just hate using it that way.
So I don't really use the mmx400's whole hand grip.
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I use my mouse on a cloth Xtrac Ripper XL mat. I'm somewhere in between a "back of palm" and "fingertips" guy--I mostly control the mouse with my finger tips, but I do rest the base of my fingers on the middle of the mouse like you were talking about, and a bit of my palm as well, on the back. My arm rests on an armrest.
I'm just not sure how one could think the MX518 was as smooth at gliding, though. I tried both on a variety of surfaces and the DeathAdder won every time. It's obvious why, if you look at the bottom of the mouse: The DeathAdder has more teflon.
I will say this: The 518 is a solid mouse. I liked it, and I was sad when I accidentally smashed its USB plug in the car door coming home from a LAN party. (Which is why I bought the DeathAdder in the first place.) I just think the DeathAdder is better still.
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I grip the mouse with no pinky, ring finger on the side of the mouse. My palm lightly touches the mouse but it's not used for movement in any way. When I'm idle, my wrist rests a little bit on the mousepad but when I'm actually moving, it's all fingers.
Anyways, I just never liked any of the Razer mice although the DeathAdder seems to be more to my taste than the rest. Also, the DeathAdder doesn't seem to have enough buttons for my taste. The MX518 has dedicated buttons for switching DPI and I use the side buttons for other bindings. If I used my standard bindings, I think the mouse would lose the ability to change DPI in game.
They're both fine but it's all preference. Granted, the MX518 has 3 extra buttons you can use but beyond that, they're very similar except for form. I say just get the one you think will fit your hand the best. Go to a store and compare the MX5XX series mice with a Microsoft Intellimouse (pretty much the same mouse as the DeathAdder in shape).
So my Ikari Laser came today, and it is sexcellent. Fits my hand god damned perfectly, and while I am still getting used to the switch from 400 DPI to 3200 and trying to get my settings in games right, the feel of it is phenomenal. The shape, texture, weight, button layout, button stiffness, its all fucking awesome.
This is coming from someone who palms their mouse, pointer and middle on Mouse 1 and 2, ring and pinky on the side. The shape of it was designed specifically for such and is intelligently grooved for every finger. For those that like to rest their middle finger on the scroll wheel and ring finger on Mouse 2, its not quite wide enough for that to work as well. I guess some people do that? I don't know. And I'm not entirely sure what a 'Claw Grip' is that some people mention, so no comments there.
I have a MX400 right now, i assume it's about the same as a MX518.
I'll be getting a G9x (No, i don't really need those 5000 DPI.) when i pick up my G19 keyboard, hope we won't have to wait too long for those to hit stores.
My SteelSeries Ikari arrived today too, and it is indeed more awesome than Logitech's mice. Then again, I recommend their keyboard too, so you might not want to listen to everything I say.
Also Razer released a nifty new mouse... for $130....
But get this shit. It can be both a wireless and a wired mouse, depending on how you connect it and supposibly it has a real nice and long battery life. It is even better then the lachesis and has higher dpi but going above 4,000 really is getting to be overkill. I think I say 5600DPI mentioned somewhere which is almost absurd.
When they hit stores, i found a cordless mouse of some kind i didn't even know i had to use in the meantime, i can't find it on the logitech webside, but it's got this nifty touch-sensitive thing instead of a real scroll wheel and it's reeaally tiny.
Also Razer released a nifty new mouse... for $130....
But get this shit. It can be both a wireless and a wired mouse, depending on how you connect it and supposibly it has a real nice and long battery life. It is even better then the lachesis and has higher dpi but going above 4,000 really is getting to be overkill. I think I say 5600DPI mentioned somewhere which is almost absurd.
It looks almost identical to the DeathAdder, ergonomically, just a bit sexier looking and with a couple more buttons.
I'm not sure about their button placement, though. I suppose I could reach the new buttons with my thumb or index finger, but it's a bit of a stretch for both.
Wired + wireless in one is a really great idea, assuming it's implemented right. If the wireless works as well as they're advertising, you could just leave it unplugged except when your charge starts running low. (I guess that's the purpose, like charge and play on the Microsoft controllers).
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Also Razer released a nifty new mouse... for $130....
But get this shit. It can be both a wireless and a wired mouse, depending on how you connect it and supposibly it has a real nice and long battery life. It is even better then the lachesis and has higher dpi but going above 4,000 really is getting to be overkill. I think I say 5600DPI mentioned somewhere which is almost absurd.
I actually do NOT like how it doesn't have anything on the right side of the mouse. From the pictures, it seems like there are no buttons or anything, which is a shame because I do use mouse binds, and use all of them. Or most of them anyways.
It's the same as the DeathAdder, meaning there are no buttons on the right side. It appears there are four on the left, in addition to the normal 2 + wheel, though. Do you use more than 7 buttons?
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It's the same as the DeathAdder, meaning there are no buttons on the right side. It appears there are four on the left, in addition to the normal 2 + wheel, though. Do you use more than 7 buttons?
More than 7 buttons, no. My mouse only has 7... But I use all of them. >_>;
just gotta throw my logitech G7 in here. Basically a MX518 or G5, just without the wires. Fantastic mouse. comes with 2 hot-swappable batteries. Cannot tell the difference in performance when compared to wired mice.
Too bad it's pretty hard to find now. I can't imagine mousing on anything else.
I actually do NOT like how it doesn't have anything on the right side of the mouse. From the pictures, it seems like there are no buttons or anything, which is a shame because I do use mouse binds, and use all of them. Or most of them anyways.
Well, I'll agree that it would have been better with buttons on the right side, but not symmetrically. Thats really my issue with the Lachesis, what may be a decent position for thumb buttons, is a horrible position for using ring or pinky fingers. Hands are not symmetrical, mice should not be either.
However, the two additional left side buttons on the Mamba, are probably too far forward for the thumb, and pressed with the pointer, so I'm not sure they are in a good position without actually using it. But from just judging by the pictures, I think it looks better than the Lachesis(And certainly has a better name).
Has anyone used a Logitech MX610? It's one of the very few mice out there claiming to be both ergonomic and useable in the left hand, with the alternatives generally being fairly strangely shaped or interface devices other than mice per se. I'm using an MS intellimouse at the moment, which works, but it's not ideal.
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But I can't afford a super one.
Can anyone tell me what to look for in terms of "stats". I know about dpi now and hz but is there anything else I should know?
Here's what you should know: save up forty bucks for a Logitech MX518. Apparently there's some dissent 'round these parts on whether it's the best gaming mouse out there, but it's damn good and very reliable. I'm a lazy bastard so I won't back up the following statement with anything like fact-checking, but any mouse that people are touting over the MX518 probably costs at least twice as much. Maybe. Anyway, I've had mine for two years now and I haven't had even the slightest desire to game with anything else. If I know there's going to be a spare box, all I'll bring to a LAN is my MX518. Or rather, that would be true if I didn't know that 80% of all spare rigs at LANs have 518s already.
EDIT: Okay so a large chunk of the Razer line seems to be only about ten bucks more than the 518, as does the optical version SteelSeries Ikari. I stand by the MX518 as my personal favorite mouse, however.
It is not nearly as good as the Razer DeathAdder (approximately $50), which has a more comfortable form factor, glides more smoothly, has more easily-pressed side buttons, and looks much more awesome.
I've also had problems with Logitech's drivers for basically all of their products. Do not install SetPoint, it is a trap.
Just my two cents, but I've owned them both and used both extensively.
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You know you want one.
Two weeks of normal use, and my wheel was broken. It no longer scrolls, so I'm going to have to send this back for a refund. Will probably get a Deathadder to replace it. It's such a pity too, if the wheel had been reliable, it would have been a great gaming mouse. I'm not the only one who this has happened to.
It's much better than the Razer DeathAdder. It is much more comfortable glides exactly the same as the DeathAdder, and the side buttons are perfectly easy to press and distinguish with your thumb. Also, it looks much better.
Generic mouse drivers work just fine.
I own the 518 and my brother has a DeathAdder.
So basically, it's all preference... unless you prefer something other than the MX518 in which case you suck.
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I am on the lookout for a small, light gaming mouse; I can't seem to find one suited to my playstyle.
edit- reading more, it looks like I use a "claw grip"
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I am currently holding these two identical statements up and banging their heads together to see if I can work out exactly what is meant by them by the crunching sounds they make.
Would I be able to ask humbly for you to be more precise? What's your hand size each of you, what surface do you use, the little details and stuff, it would be really helpful.
edit: and not that I'm one of the fellows you asked, but I have big hands, and my 'mouse stance' is index and middle finger mouse 1/2, thumb on the side of the mouse, and pinky / ring finger on the other side (so I can just barely feel the mouse-pad surface.) I move the mouse with my thumb/pinky/ring, and pretty much don't move my wrist at all when I game.
edit2: both are really good mice, though I'm fairly certain the deathadder has the technical edge for whatever that's worth. Maybe just hit up a store and see which one feels better in your hand?
Pretty much the same as your style although I don't think I have big hands. For example if I rest my whole hand on the mmx400 it fits snugly into the palm and curves over without much overlap. I just hate using it that way.
So I don't really use the mmx400's whole hand grip.
I'm just not sure how one could think the MX518 was as smooth at gliding, though. I tried both on a variety of surfaces and the DeathAdder won every time. It's obvious why, if you look at the bottom of the mouse: The DeathAdder has more teflon.
I will say this: The 518 is a solid mouse. I liked it, and I was sad when I accidentally smashed its USB plug in the car door coming home from a LAN party. (Which is why I bought the DeathAdder in the first place.) I just think the DeathAdder is better still.
Anyways, I just never liked any of the Razer mice although the DeathAdder seems to be more to my taste than the rest. Also, the DeathAdder doesn't seem to have enough buttons for my taste. The MX518 has dedicated buttons for switching DPI and I use the side buttons for other bindings. If I used my standard bindings, I think the mouse would lose the ability to change DPI in game.
They're both fine but it's all preference. Granted, the MX518 has 3 extra buttons you can use but beyond that, they're very similar except for form. I say just get the one you think will fit your hand the best. Go to a store and compare the MX5XX series mice with a Microsoft Intellimouse (pretty much the same mouse as the DeathAdder in shape).
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This is coming from someone who palms their mouse, pointer and middle on Mouse 1 and 2, ring and pinky on the side. The shape of it was designed specifically for such and is intelligently grooved for every finger. For those that like to rest their middle finger on the scroll wheel and ring finger on Mouse 2, its not quite wide enough for that to work as well. I guess some people do that? I don't know. And I'm not entirely sure what a 'Claw Grip' is that some people mention, so no comments there.
I'll be getting a G9x (No, i don't really need those 5000 DPI.) when i pick up my G19 keyboard, hope we won't have to wait too long for those to hit stores.
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Also Razer released a nifty new mouse... for $130....
But get this shit. It can be both a wireless and a wired mouse, depending on how you connect it and supposibly it has a real nice and long battery life. It is even better then the lachesis and has higher dpi but going above 4,000 really is getting to be overkill. I think I say 5600DPI mentioned somewhere which is almost absurd.
http://www2.razerzone.com/mamba/keyfeatures.html
When they hit stores, i found a cordless mouse of some kind i didn't even know i had to use in the meantime, i can't find it on the logitech webside, but it's got this nifty touch-sensitive thing instead of a real scroll wheel and it's reeaally tiny.
Fuck, that looks awesome. $130, though...
It looks almost identical to the DeathAdder, ergonomically, just a bit sexier looking and with a couple more buttons.
I'm not sure about their button placement, though. I suppose I could reach the new buttons with my thumb or index finger, but it's a bit of a stretch for both.
Wired + wireless in one is a really great idea, assuming it's implemented right. If the wireless works as well as they're advertising, you could just leave it unplugged except when your charge starts running low. (I guess that's the purpose, like charge and play on the Microsoft controllers).
Looks nice. But its a bit pricey. Still, I like that its not ambidextrous design, so it already looks better than some of their previous models.
More than 7 buttons, no. My mouse only has 7... But I use all of them. >_>;
Too bad it's pretty hard to find now. I can't imagine mousing on anything else.
Well, I'll agree that it would have been better with buttons on the right side, but not symmetrically. Thats really my issue with the Lachesis, what may be a decent position for thumb buttons, is a horrible position for using ring or pinky fingers. Hands are not symmetrical, mice should not be either.
However, the two additional left side buttons on the Mamba, are probably too far forward for the thumb, and pressed with the pointer, so I'm not sure they are in a good position without actually using it. But from just judging by the pictures, I think it looks better than the Lachesis(And certainly has a better name).
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/168&cl=ca,en