I wanted it to be good and I thought it was good, but I firmly believe that my enjoyment was rooted in having read the novel beforehand. When I look at it from the perspective of someone who hasn't read Watchmen, the pacing is fucked up and the music is terrible and the movie takes forever to get going and it's just not that great, structurally.
We discussed this earlier in the thread:
People who never read the comic seem to like it, even if they might have missed some stuff.
Those of us who read it first have trouble imagining liking it without reading it, but that's really just a self-centered point of view.
The movie is a bit long is the only real thing that COULD be an issue, but I firmly believe that it couldn't have been any shorter. The only other solution could have been cutting it in to two or three movies.
my friends have not read it and they all thought it was fantastic
did they think it was a good movie? Like in terms of craft and quality and artistry?
because if so they don't have very good taste
if I saw this without having read the book I would have enjoyed it
I also would have still thought it was mostly dogshit filmmaking
however I have read the book so I understand why it was made that way and I loved it and thought it did a great job of what it was trying to be
art is hard
i think you're being kind of a douche with this
i can like a movie that isn't perfectly filmed and edited.
i really have no big complaints with the filmmaking.
The gore was necessary. The violence in the comic was shocking at the time, and if they just stuck with what was in the comic the audience wouldn't have reacted at all.
A history of violence had really jarring gore, and it did so in a much more effective way than I believe this was done.
The only time the gore bugged me was in the alley fight. And even then I thought it was alright when contrasted against the really stylized and "action movie" kind of fighting they do once they become superheroes again.
but is it really in the Silk Specter's character to jam a screwdriver through someone's ear?
I thought that the first time I saw it, but the second time I was thinking about it a bit more, and if someone was trying to murder you I don't know if murdering them first would be completely out of the question.
They're way too happy about doing it, though
and then they go and fuck in archie
kinda sociopathic
They weren't smiling like goofballs in that scene, like they were in the less violent action sequences they were involved in. It was just a survival mechanism sort of deal.
The backwards elbow was a little over the top, though.
for the most part it seems like the people who wanted this to not be good came out thinking it was bad and the people who wanted it to be good came out thinking it was good
for the most part it seems like the people who wanted this to not be good came out thinking it was bad and the people who wanted it to be good came out thinking it was good
Brilliant analysis.
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i think you're being kind of a douche with this
i can like a movie that isn't perfectly filmed and edited.
i really have no big complaints with the filmmaking.
Oh I like tons of movies that aren't very good movies
even downright bad!
I liked Transformers
I liked Lord of the Rings
both were pretty terrible movies on the whole -- bad acting, bad writing, bad editing, bad direction
however they were really pretty and had radical action and were fun to watch
that doesn't mean that any of the most crucial components of movie-making were executed with skill in those films
this is the thing about art
we adopt a language of craftsmanship, innovation, and skill, and that is our barometer of "good" and "bad" movies.
this allows us to have a meaningful way of talking about art that is rooted in more than personal preference, so we can actually share ideas about art instead of yelling our experiences at each other.
however, we're all still free to like movies that are bad, and dislike movies that are good. Personal experience is what it is.
that's just not the way we talk about movies as good or bad, because if good means "I liked it" and bad means "I didn't like it" then really it's impossible to ever have meaningful discussion of art.
I feel like this is basic common knowledge in western culture but so many people don't seem to get it
I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.
I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.
I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity
dude, that was meta as fuck
actual objectivity is interpreted differently by different people and thus is inherently subjective. Thus through fake faking objectivity through subjectivity one will finally find a subjective truth.
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I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.
I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.
I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity
dude, that was meta as fuck
You and I walked in to the theater with a foundation already laid that we understood the movie through. If we think about not having read the book, we think about not having a foundation at all.
But other folks happily built their own foundations DURING the movie, and understood it perfectly fine.
I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.
I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.
I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity
dude, that was meta as fuck
actual objectivity is interpreted differently by different people and thus is inherently subjective. Thus through fake faking objectivity through subjectivity one will finally find a subjective truth.
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listen anjin nothing would make me happier than to pack you an 'tatoe a bowl of the dankest nugs and watch this movie in IMAX with you immediately thereafter
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We discussed this earlier in the thread:
People who never read the comic seem to like it, even if they might have missed some stuff.
Those of us who read it first have trouble imagining liking it without reading it, but that's really just a self-centered point of view.
The movie is a bit long is the only real thing that COULD be an issue, but I firmly believe that it couldn't have been any shorter. The only other solution could have been cutting it in to two or three movies.
did they think it was a good movie? Like in terms of craft and quality and artistry?
because if so they don't have very good taste
if I saw this without having read the book I would have enjoyed it
I also would have still thought it was mostly dogshit filmmaking
however I have read the book so I understand why it was made that way and I loved it and thought it did a great job of what it was trying to be
art is hard
EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE
sorry backwards, this thread is about finding the exact point on the scale of poop to gold that watchmen lies on
no compromise
not even in the face of armageddon
i think you're being kind of a douche with this
i can like a movie that isn't perfectly filmed and edited.
i really have no big complaints with the filmmaking.
A history of violence had really jarring gore, and it did so in a much more effective way than I believe this was done.
you keep refusing to see things from my perspective
if only you could see movies the way I do
Did it keep me entertained for the duration?
yes: Good movie.
no: Bad movie.
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The backwards elbow was a little over the top, though.
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I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.
I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity
Yeah this was pretty much my takeaway, too.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A NEW HOLE
dude, that was meta as fuck
you're posting in this thread with me!
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Oh I like tons of movies that aren't very good movies
even downright bad!
I liked Transformers
I liked Lord of the Rings
both were pretty terrible movies on the whole -- bad acting, bad writing, bad editing, bad direction
however they were really pretty and had radical action and were fun to watch
that doesn't mean that any of the most crucial components of movie-making were executed with skill in those films
this is the thing about art
we adopt a language of craftsmanship, innovation, and skill, and that is our barometer of "good" and "bad" movies.
this allows us to have a meaningful way of talking about art that is rooted in more than personal preference, so we can actually share ideas about art instead of yelling our experiences at each other.
however, we're all still free to like movies that are bad, and dislike movies that are good. Personal experience is what it is.
that's just not the way we talk about movies as good or bad, because if good means "I liked it" and bad means "I didn't like it" then really it's impossible to ever have meaningful discussion of art.
I feel like this is basic common knowledge in western culture but so many people don't seem to get it
actual objectivity is interpreted differently by different people and thus is inherently subjective. Thus through fake faking objectivity through subjectivity one will finally find a subjective truth.
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You and I walked in to the theater with a foundation already laid that we understood the movie through. If we think about not having read the book, we think about not having a foundation at all.
But other folks happily built their own foundations DURING the movie, and understood it perfectly fine.
Your terrible opinions, I mean
mind is blown
Time to go
going is relative. To others you are arriving.
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listen anjin nothing would make me happier than to pack you an 'tatoe a bowl of the dankest nugs and watch this movie in IMAX with you immediately thereafter
but I gots to be a dick about things
it's just in my blood man
y'all sure do like white girl asses huh
Hurm.
Must investigate further.
can i get in on this