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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    How could legislation like this even be considered, I mean it would directly contravene our freedom of speech as outlined in our charter of human rights

    oh wait, that's right

    We're the only democracy in the world that doesn't have one! At first our founding fathers put it off so they could fuck over the Aborigines, and then we just never got around to it.

    this is hilarious to me somehow

    don't fret

    I don't think you are the only democracy or pretend-democracy that doesn't have free speech

    That's worse though!

    We're certainly not the only COUNTRY without one, just the only democracy, according to what I've read. I don't know what the specific criteria are for deciding which countries are actually democracies and which just claim to be though.

    BTW it's point 10 on that list that actually backs up what I was saying.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    How could legislation like this even be considered, I mean it would directly contravene our freedom of speech as outlined in our charter of human rights

    oh wait, that's right

    We're the only democracy in the world that doesn't have one! At first our founding fathers put it off so they could fuck over the Aborigines, and then we just never got around to it.

    this is hilarious to me somehow

    don't fret

    I don't think you are the only democracy or pretend-democracy that doesn't have free speech

    That's worse though!

    We're certainly not the only COUNTRY without one, just the only democracy, according to what I've read. I don't know what the specific criteria are for deciding which countries are actually democracies and which just claim to be though.

    BTW it's point 10 on that list that actually backs up what I was saying.

    Point ten is a load of shit we have plenty of rights.

    Name one that is actually required that we don't have.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Seriously all those people are people with a hardon for america and want an explicit section in the constitution devoted to it.

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    Dely AppleDely Apple Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    In this they would ban 4chan from Australia

    Which is good, really

    Teach those Australian weeaboos

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wait no I started reading their site.

    They're a bunch of hippys that want to cry about everything and change the constitution for no real reason.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dely Apple wrote: »
    In this they would ban 4chan from Australia

    Which is good, really

    Teach those Australian weeaboos
    Maybe it's for the best.......

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    How could legislation like this even be considered, I mean it would directly contravene our freedom of speech as outlined in our charter of human rights

    oh wait, that's right

    We're the only democracy in the world that doesn't have one! At first our founding fathers put it off so they could fuck over the Aborigines, and then we just never got around to it.

    God I am so sick of this.

    Yes we do.

    High court says we do.

    Look it up.

    Don't mind if I do!
    In 1992 and 1994, the High Court of Australia found that the Constitution contained an "implied" right to freedom of political communication, in a series of cases including the Australian Capital Television case and the Theophanous case. This was seen as a necessary part of the democratic system created by the Constitution. The application of this "implied right" has, however, been restricted in later cases, such as Lange v ABC. It is in no way equivalent to a freedom of speech, and only protects individuals against the government trying to limit their political communication: it offers no protection against other individuals.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    How could legislation like this even be considered, I mean it would directly contravene our freedom of speech as outlined in our charter of human rights

    oh wait, that's right

    We're the only democracy in the world that doesn't have one! At first our founding fathers put it off so they could fuck over the Aborigines, and then we just never got around to it.

    God I am so sick of this.

    Yes we do.

    High court says we do.

    Look it up.

    Don't mind if I do!
    In 1992 and 1994, the High Court of Australia found that the Constitution contained an "implied" right to freedom of political communication, in a series of cases including the Australian Capital Television case and the Theophanous case. This was seen as a necessary part of the democratic system created by the Constitution. The application of this "implied right" has, however, been restricted in later cases, such as Lange v ABC. It is in no way equivalent to a freedom of speech, and only protects individuals against the government trying to limit their political communication: it offers no protection against other individuals.

    Fantastic.

    Now find me an example of Free Speech where the government hasn't limited it in some capacity.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket I'm just falling off my chair at what you're saying.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    as if you didn't have enough reason as is

    edit: t dublo
    You're not joking, mate.

    I might move to England. They got some lovely looking houses over there.

    Uh, England?

    See, I think the problem is that you hate living in Perth.

    Maybe you should try not living in Perth.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    Seriously all those people are people with a hardon for america and want an explicit section in the constitution devoted to it.

    The current campaign is actually for a legislative charter of rights. Essentially, if a law contravenes the rights as set out in the charter, parliament must decide whether they want to amend that law or not. They still have the power to go "fuck it, we're keeping it as it is". All it does is put a spotlight on human rights issues when they crop up, it doesn't force the lawmakers to act one way or another.

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    FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket I'm just falling off my chair at what you're saying.

    We have Libel and Slander rules and fightin' words etc.

    so even we're restricted

    unless im missing the point you're trying to make in which case disregard this entirely

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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Also,

    It's Kevin.

    Kevin Rudd you imbeciles.

    edit: Look at his sexiness

    kevin_rudd_lead_wideweb__470x2970.jpg

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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    He means business folks.

    Serious fucking business:
    kevin-rudd2.jpg

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    you know

    he looks pretty much the way I imagine Satan to look like (e: mostly because of the tea cup)

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    A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
    However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Ah, what a man:
    pm_official_photograph_large.jpg

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    how did he pull off that tie

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    A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
    However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
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    MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    In Canada we have laws against hate speech. I'm not sure if that is the case in America.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    ehhhhhh.......

    Are you feeling particularly restricted at the moment?

    I mean it's not like this shit is going to pass. And while I'm doing all I can do with the signing of petitions and telling people about it and how messed up it is I'm not going to jump up and down and act all silly.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Tweaked you broke my ruddscroll.

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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Zoel wrote: »
    you know

    he looks pretty much the way I imagine Satan to look like (e: mostly because of the tea cup)

    Yeah essentially.

    Also, he licks his lips like a fucking reptilian lizard man when he speaks.

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    Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    He means business folks.

    Serious fucking business:
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    I bet he's secretly Chinese. He's like that fucker from that horrible James Bond film.

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    VorusVorus Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Look australia if you want your Prime Minister to try to get a charter introduced you have to get his wife to fuck a member of the Rolling Stones

    works every time

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    FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    In Canada we have laws against hate speech. I'm not sure if that is the case in America.

    Sort of

    Here you can't say things that will entice a riot or start violence

    There was a supreme court case involving a KKK rally walking through a predominantly black neighborhood that coined the legal "fighting words" , if I'm not mistaken

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    Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Vorus wrote: »
    Look australia if you want your Prime Minister to try to get a charter introduced you have to get his wife to fuck a member of the Rolling Stones

    works every time

    You mean her?
    r145724_510765.jpg

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    In Canada we have laws against hate speech. I'm not sure if that is the case in America.

    Well! We sort of do.

    Mostly though it's just a loophole to allow the feds to prosecute in cases that would normally be a local jurisdiction. Like someone might murder some guy and put a swastika in his yard and he's jewish or whatever but it's the south in the 1960s so~ The feds can't actually book the guy for murder, but back in the 1970's it was pretty common for those cases to get charged as infringing someone elses civil liberties. (e: by reason of murder!)

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    A magician gives you a ring that, when worn, will let you see the world as it truly is.
    However, the ring will never leave your finger, and you will be unable to ever describe to another living person what you see.
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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    In Canada we have laws against hate speech. I'm not sure if that is the case in America.

    Sort of

    Here you can't say things that will entice a riot or start violence

    There was a supreme court case involving a KKK rally walking through a predominantly black neighborhood that coined the legal "fighting words" , if I'm not mistaken

    Before that people would just go, "Thems, thems, thems... well I don't know what thems words was but we'll be punchin' on with ya know!"

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    VorusVorus Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Vorus wrote: »
    Look australia if you want your Prime Minister to try to get a charter introduced you have to get his wife to fuck a member of the Rolling Stones

    works every time

    You mean her?
    r145724_510765.jpg

    I didn't say it would be easy

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    ehhhhhh.......

    Are you feeling particularly restricted at the moment?

    I mean it's not like this shit is going to pass. And while I'm doing all I can do with the signing of petitions and telling people about it and how messed up it is I'm not going to jump up and down and act all silly.

    I'm personally not feeling very restricted at the moment, no. If we waited until the political climate changed and we WERE being restricted, presumably for the convenience of the government, it would be much harder to argue for a charter that protects our free speech (among many other rights), wouldn't it? A stitch in time saves nine and all that.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2009
    how high of standards do you thing the rolling stones even have anymore

    I'm pretty sure they're like legally blind at this point

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    FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    thats why I specified legal fightin words blaket, dang


    thems... well, thems be fightin words


    also I read that in Hank Hill's voice and it was really, really funny

    28007159hankhill.jpg

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    ehhhhhh.......

    Are you feeling particularly restricted at the moment?

    I mean it's not like this shit is going to pass. And while I'm doing all I can do with the signing of petitions and telling people about it and how messed up it is I'm not going to jump up and down and act all silly.

    I'm personally not feeling very restricted at the moment, no. If we waited until the political climate changed and we WERE being restricted, presumably for the convenience of the government, it would be much harder to argue for a charter that protects our free speech (among many other rights), wouldn't it? A stitch in time saves nine and all that.

    Legislating for legislature's sense is just retarded though.

    Take this, tries to infringe, doesn't get through.

    Simple see?

    Regardless you said these numnuts wanted Legislature passed through government. That'd be a waste of time, it would change nothing and as soon as they wanted to change shit they'd do it anyway.

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    Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    as if you didn't have enough reason as is

    edit: t dublo
    You're not joking, mate.

    I might move to England. They got some lovely looking houses over there.

    Uh, England?

    See, I think the problem is that you hate living in Perth.

    Maybe you should try not living in Perth.
    Hmm, maybe.

    Still, I'd like to live in England, just so I could use a lot of English slang and swear words. I've always wanted to say words like "Quid" in normal conversation.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I'm perfectly serious.

    People bang on about free speech all the time.

    The fact of the matter is that it is limited all the time by governments all around the world.

    There is no such thing as free speech.

    Yes, but isn't it worth at least trying to stop that from happening?

    ehhhhhh.......

    Are you feeling particularly restricted at the moment?

    I mean it's not like this shit is going to pass. And while I'm doing all I can do with the signing of petitions and telling people about it and how messed up it is I'm not going to jump up and down and act all silly.

    I'm personally not feeling very restricted at the moment, no. If we waited until the political climate changed and we WERE being restricted, presumably for the convenience of the government, it would be much harder to argue for a charter that protects our free speech (among many other rights), wouldn't it? A stitch in time saves nine and all that.

    Legislating for legislature's sense is just retarded though.

    Take this, tries to infringe, doesn't get through.

    Simple see?

    Regardless you said these numnuts wanted Legislature passed through government. (1) That'd be a waste of time, it would change nothing (2) and as soon as they wanted to change shit they'd do it anyway.

    1. The British experience of their Bill of rights has been positive, and it has changed things for the better.

    2. You could say the same of any legislation.

    EDIT: See two posts down.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Let me amend that, just linking to the wiki article on British Human rights is a bit vague. Here are some examples of where British laws have been changed as a direct consequence of their Bill of Rights, taken from Geoffrey Robertson (QC)'s book "The Statute of Liberty:
    The Mental Health Act (1983): this will be amended so that patients can challenge the appointment of a "nearest relative" on the grounds that the appointed relative had abused them when they were children.

    The 1861 law in Northern Ireland, which made consensual buggery a criminal offence: Repealed because it interfered with consensual sexual behaviour between adults.

    The Mental Health Act: amended so that persons who could not be shown to suffer from a mental disorder could be discharged from a mental hospital.

    A section of the Immigration Act, which imposed massive and mandatory fixed fines on trucking companies for unknowingly transporting stowaways: amended so that the penalty could be decided fairly by an independent tribunal.

    An amendment to the Mental Health Act: passed so that persons detained after serving the penal part of their sentence could not have their access to a court blocked by the government.

    Several provisions of the Social Security Act: amended after the courts pointed out, by declaration, that they discriminated against men by providing, for example, bereavement benefits to widows and not to widowers.

    Sections of the Housing Act, which required certain classes of children, and pregnant mothers, to be disregarded in determining priority for council accommodation: amended so that children's needs were always taken into account.

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    stimtokolosstimtokolos Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    does the alcopop tax include the bottled Jack-and-Coke stuffs?

    I think so, I mostly drink cider though so I don't notice.

    you drink mostly cider?

    do you also wear mostly training bras?

    I wear mostly yeast allergy.

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    Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    does the alcopop tax include the bottled Jack-and-Coke stuffs?

    I think so, I mostly drink cider though so I don't notice.

    you drink mostly cider?

    do you also wear mostly training bras?

    I wear mostly yeast allergy.
    So you couldn't eat Marmite n stuff?

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