The Dark [Thunderbolting] Avengers: Hoping the Next Leap is the Leap Back Home

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I don't know what she'd do but I'm sure it would be fantastic

mojojoeo

TexiKen wrote: »

mojojoeo wrote: »

so no resolution on Us agent?

No and it's a bigger travesty than OMD and Chuck Austen's Uncanny run combined. Can you imagine what Kathryn Immonen would do if she got her hands on John Walker?

Jeff Parker did this on purpose. Parker! In my office! Now!

just saw this, There is a throwaway line in mighty avengers that walker is with a field medic- they dont think he'll make it.

Spoiler alert- its a comic, he'll make it.

TexiKen

It's not even that, it's how the Mighty Avengers team just kind of throws him in the dumpster and then runs off to the fight. Walker wasn't an asshole to the team either like he was on Avengers West Coast, so it's even more of not being a brah when it matters. Even Ghost helped out Ant-Man and Paladin.

"Oh, we lost our vastly superior Captain America on the team, let's just go hang out with Dinkus and new Dinkus"

Furu

He was totally an asshole.

Wildcat

Witch_Hunter_84 wrote: »

Well, I don't know how OT this is, but I'm posting it here anyways because we're talking about Hank Pym at the moment. I just finished my Early Modern English history midterm, and the second essay was on John Pym, the Speaker of the House of Commons during the Long Parliament leading up to the English Civil War. Now I haven't slept for about thirty six hours because of these midterms, so I made a pretty significant mistake here which I realized on the walk back to my apartment. The entire essay I referred to him as Hank Pym, as in in Hank Pym issued the Great Remonstrance (and so forth). Well, this is just fucking terrific.

Guess my grade is gonna shrink now eh? Now talk about someone else in my Thunderbolts thread before I fall even further streets behind!

Hopefully they don't penalise you too much (and I doubt they would given that it was only the first name you fluffed), but definitely internet fist bump for Civil War brahs

Sharp101

TexiKen wrote: »

It's not even that, it's how the Mighty Avengers team just kind of throws him in the dumpster and then runs off to the fight. Walker wasn't an asshole to the team either like he was on Avengers West Coast, so it's even more of not being a brah when it matters. Even Ghost helped out Ant-Man and Paladin.

"Oh, we lost our vastly superior Captain America on the team, let's just go hang out with Dinkus and new Dinkus"

Hahah, I just watched this movie. This was one of the only memorable parts

TexiKen

Hey, Extract was very good. Gene Simmons can do no wrong.

It never gave me a LOL moment, but it was smart, and always put a smile on my face throughout the whole movie, pretty much like King of the Hill did, Lord rest its soul.

cshadow42

Awww..Ghost looks so pathetic without his mask...

DarkWarrior

How on Earth did Ghost let them capture him and take shit from that punk Cage?

Furu

DarkWarrior wrote: »

How on Earth did Ghost let them capture him and take shit from that punk Cage?

Vision kicked his ass last issue.

DarkWarrior

In what? Thunderbolts? I don't recall that.

Ghost would own that punk Vision.

DarkWarrior

Whats the newest one? Last I read was 142 I think

Furu

Yes, it was the last issue of Thunderbolts, and just because you think something would happen doesn't make it true

DarkWarrior

Mustbe 143 then, I dont have that.

Robos A Go Go

Vision took him by surprise. Apparently helping to save the world doesn't make up for trying to assassinate Tony Stark.

DarkWarrior

He deserves a medal for trying off Stark.

Munch

cshadow42 wrote: »

Awww..Ghost looks so pathetic without his mask...

Since this incarnation of the Thunderbolts is about making a serious effort to reform supervillains, maybe Ghost's actions during Siege earned him a spot on the roster. I mean, the dude's still bug-nuts crazy. It's probably wise to keep an eye on him for a while and make sure he doesn't try to assassinate any prominent industrialists.

Robos A Go Go

I like the little flies surrounding him. He's like what would happen if you crossed Pigpen from Peanuts with the Unabomber.

Hensler

Yeah, Rorschach / Jackie Earl Hailey is the first thing I thought of when I saw that pic of him without his mask. And that would actually make a pretty good villain in Iron Man 3, since it's probably going to have 10 of them.

Witch_Hunter_84

Man, ghost looks so old in that picture. How long has been in the anti-corporate terrorist game?

Wildcat

I think his first target must have been the Model T plans.

Witch_Hunter_84

Fucking Wright brothers, those corporate whores!

Wildcat

What's this? Plans for a cotton gin? I'll be having those, Whitney!

Furu

Amazingly for a character that's been around for twenty years, I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen Ghost unmasked

cshadow42

It kind of takes away some of his coolness in being unmasked. I was hoping that Ghost was secretly Kitty Pryde (at least the current version of Ghost). Though with the recent saving of Kitty from the Big Bullet, that hope was dashed.

Robos A Go Go

Seeing his face isn't bad. He more or less looks exactly how you'd expect a dude who never takes off his costume to look.

If they give him an origin, though, it better be really fucking good.

Witch_Hunter_84

I'm pretty much betting that's what the first couple issues will be about. Splitting the issue between action sequences and flashbacks of origin stories/Cage talking to the cons about their past and how they can better their future.

TexiKen

I really hope there's a scene with Clint and Cage about recruiting Karla on the team.

I mean, Bendis all but ignored the relationship until The List one-shot, but Parker should be a rad enough dude to handle it and at least mention when she was a good girl.

Gank

TexiKen wrote: »

I really hope there's a scene with Clint and Cage about recruiting Karla on the team.

I mean, Bendis all but ignored the relationship until The List one-shot, but Parker should be a rad enough dude to handle it and at least mention when she was a good girl.

I was so glad they actually mentioned the hawkeye/moonstone stuff from class t-bolts, it would actually make a good couple of pages in the new run to have cage and clint confront the issue, maybe even stark getting pissy about the ghost. Personally i love the new lineup, including man-thing.

MastaP

Gank wrote: »

TexiKen wrote: »

I really hope there's a scene with Clint and Cage about recruiting Karla on the team.

I mean, Bendis all but ignored the relationship until The List one-shot, but Parker should be a rad enough dude to handle it and at least mention when she was a good girl.

I was so glad they actually mentioned the hawkeye/moonstone stuff from class t-bolts, it would actually make a good couple of pages in the new run to have cage and clint confront the issue, maybe even stark getting pissy about the ghost. Personally i love the new lineup, including man-thing.

Who DOESN'T love Man-Thing?
Horrible human beings, that's who.

Furu

So I've started reading all of Thunderbolts from the beginning

Jesus H Christ what the fuck is this shit after issue #75

TexiKen

Fight Club.

Bad Fight Club. At least it only lasted 6 issues.

Isn't T-Bolts awesome though? Pick up the two Citizen V minis for even more goodies.

Furu

Will do but back to this

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea

I mean the way #75 ends and then suddenly we have this stupid completely unrelated story?

TexiKen

It was Quesada and Jemas thinking that doing a soft reboot would sucker fans of the more classic T-Bolts team to try a very very different change to the whole premise of Thunderbolts to begin with (reforming villains). T-Bolts wasn't doing bad sales-wise but not making it rain either (it was around the same as Busiek's Avengers run). This was also around the time Morrison relaunched X-Men and Geoff Johns was getting ready to take over Avengers.

This is why Quesada had to admit he was wrong about the soft relaunch and how it killed the book, and gave us an Avengers Thunderbolts mini series by Waid and Kitson/Grummett (which would actually be #76-81 before New Thunderbolts launched)

wirehead26

And of course the whole fight club thing is one of the few Thunderbolt stories actually collected in trade format pre-Civil War issues. I still wish Marvel would release some ultimate collections of early Thunderbolt stories but I guess they think it won't sell.

TexiKen

If they do them nice and purdy like those Kurt Busiek Avengers Assemble! HCs, I'd buy them without hesitation.

I'd even go for an Essential format, screw all the 70's stuff being reprinted, put those 90's issues into the essential format and they'll do well, I guarantee it.

wirehead26

Are any early Thunderbolt issues available in Marvel's digiital service? I don't see any in the Playstation store but that is my only source for digital comics.

TexiKen

Going through that pain in the butt website (really needs a tune up along with the whole marvel site), it looks like you've got:

#1-4 (which is BS because Busiek made the first 12 issues an arc to fill during Heroes Reborn), 42-44 (this was a crossover with the Avengers), 75 (the last of the real TBolts), and 76-81 which was stupid fight club. Not even the Incredible Hulk issue where the T-Bolts first appear.

That's streets behind so much it isn't even streets behind.

Hensler

I don't think it should have been called Thunderbolts, but I didn't think the Fight Club story was that bad taken on its own.

Witch_Hunter_84

Found the variant cover for T-Bolts #144



Also found some unlettered page scans of the comic here. Couple of the pages we've seen before (the ones about Ghost) but apparently Luke Cage

Spoiler:

doesn't wait for anything to land anymore. Oh, and Fixer's there too. Wonder who the blonde guy was though.

Edit: Lots of other cool stuff on that page about the Heroic Age too apparently!