I don't like curved screens at all. It's another bullshit gimmick like Chris said, when it's noticable it just makes the image look weird. 4k is the only tangible improvement in TV's over the last decade. My parents still own an 8 year old 1080p Sony bravia they payed $3k for, it looks as good as any high end 1080p TV today.
but whats up with 4K really? what digital media format can even pump out 4k? All consoles are bound to 1080p or less. Most cable is still doing 720p. Even satellite pictures which are supposed to be 1080p look artifacted to my eyes (DirectTV)
where you are getting your moneys worth with 4k except for high end bluray?
You're not getting your money's worth at all. In 3-5 years, maybe, when content starts getting pumped out.
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even then, the size of the TV and the sitting distance are going to have to be huge, and close respectively, to really enjoy that resolution.
I'm still bummed that plasma is going out of style. I love my Samsung 50" that I got last year. Beautiful colors and the 600hz thing it does, the moving image looks amazing.
I want better, cheaper bigger 1080p OLED screens before I even care about 4k.
but whats up with 4K really? what digital media format can even pump out 4k? All consoles are bound to 1080p or less. Most cable is still doing 720p. Even satellite pictures which are supposed to be 1080p look artifacted to my eyes (DirectTV)
where you are getting your moneys worth with 4k except for high end bluray?
The TVs always have to come before the content. If nothing else, the guys making the content have to have something to master on.
Unless you're rich or getting it for free, normal people are better off waiting for content to be available. Comcast is saying their next-gen box (late 2015, maybe) is going to support HEVC, so I'd say things are looking good for 4K deployments on cable systems by the end of the decade.
So I kinda impulse bought a Blu-Ray player on Black Friday. It's the Sony BDP-S2200, and it was $45 at Wal-Mart.
The problem is...I can't remember the last time I bought any media...be it on DVD, Blu-Ray, digital, or otherwise. I actually bought a little external BR drive for my iMac a year or two ago with the grand scheme that I was going to start buying Blu-Ray movies, rip them to iTunes, and then eventually pick up an AppleTV to stream them to, but that never quite panned out.
I'm thinking of returning it later in the week, but I need a few days to mull over it.
If input lag is your biggest consideration, then consider an emmisive OLED set over a traditional LED backlit LCD like the one you linked.
Those Sony TVs have half the input lag (17ms) compared to the quickest mass market OLED TV (the LG 55EC9300 - 36ms in PC mode). These days, the image processor will have the biggest impact on input lag, rather than the panel type. However, the OLED will blow those Sonys out of the water when it comes to picture quality, but you'll pay almost double the money for that PQ.
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If input lag is your biggest consideration, then consider an emmisive OLED set over a traditional LED backlit LCD like the one you linked.
Those Sony TVs have half the input lag (17ms) compared to the quickest mass market OLED TV (the LG 55EC9300 - 36ms in PC mode). These days, the image processor will have the biggest impact on input lag, rather than the panel type. However, the OLED will blow those Sonys out of the water when it comes to picture quality, but you'll pay almost double the money for that PQ.
The non-curved OLED is the LG 55EA8800. Unfortunately, it costs more than the curved version above, uses a slightly different subpixel arrangement, and lack the new WebOS UI. It also has higher input lag in the mid 50ms range.
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Well that's neat. What's the resource you're cribbing those lag numbers from, it's definitely something I'm going to consider in my next set. Personally, I want to go from my 55" HX929 Sony Bravia set to a 1080P OLED set. I don't know what my input lag currently is, but pretty much my reason is that I am tired of giving up picture quality by disabling all of the nice features like local dimming just to make my twitch based games playable.
HDtvtest.co.uk, Cnet, and Displaylag.com will all post input lag times using the Leo Bodnar tester. They generally have similar times because they use the same tester, however, Displaylag.com has a larger DB with more up to date results based on more recent firmware updates.
Flatpanelshd.com will also put up input lag ranges using their own stopwatch process.
Some of the really hardcore places like Prad.de and tftcentral.co.uk will test using a photodiode oscillscope to get much more accurate readings.
Still, the Leo Bodnar tests are generally a good enough reference point when comparing lag between comparable display technologies.
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but whats up with 4K really? what digital media format can even pump out 4k? All consoles are bound to 1080p or less. Most cable is still doing 720p. Even satellite pictures which are supposed to be 1080p look artifacted to my eyes (DirectTV)
where you are getting your moneys worth with 4k except for high end bluray?
If I bought a 4K tv, I would feel compelled to get Timescapes. Mostly because if I'm buying a 4K tv, I already don't care about how much the 4K version costs.
That being said, I did like a 4K TV I saw in a store one time - it was also the first curved screen TV I'd seen, and the viewing angle did seem significantly larger. Was that just because it was 4K/higher quality materials, or does a slight curve actually help?
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So I finally said fuck it and gotten a 130 inch projector setup.
Yeah, why exactly isn't everybody going projector? Cause I got 130 inch 1080P for roughly $750 when all things are said and done.
Because I have one television, and if I swapped it out for a projector, I would be spending SO MUCH MONEY on replacement lamps.
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Considering an equivalent size t.v. is in the tens of thousands of dollars range and the lamp lifespan is like 3500 hours, I can watch t.v. n this projector for years before it'll be worth the extra costs of getting an equivalent size t.v..
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I got a 60 inch t.v. I would have to have a loungeroom about twice the size of the current one to make a giant screen worth it. And the t.v. is on for about 35-60 hours per week in a pretty bright room, so the lamp would be running at 100% output at all times, which shortens their lifespan noticeably.
Projectors have tons of drawbacks for typical rooms.
1) They're loud.
2) You have to either ceiling-mount it or put it on a table in the middle of the room if your back wall isn't in the perfect place.
3) You have to have light control in your room, or you're going to have to blast the lamp at 100% when you want to watch during the day.
4) You have to get a good screen to maximize performance. Unless retractable, this screen will look awful when you aren't watching it.
5) Color saturation and black levels aren't the best for critical viewing unless you have #3.
It's great that it works for your situation, but it isn't for everyone, especially as a primary TV.
For me (coming from a plasma), I don't think any $750 projector (that I know of) would throw a 130" image with the quality I want, even in a good room - I'd have to spend about as much as I would on a good direct-view TV.
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Lol, at 130 inch it's like looking thru the closet into Narnia. Games are hugely inversive and with my sound system movies are nearly theater quality. The only thing better then this would be VR.
the gaming performance is well within the acceptable bounds
the picture brightness is of course quite good
It DOES need to be calibrated out of the box and I'm not good at that. I find the dynamic contrast to be perhaps a little artificial. It's trying so hard to get deep blacks that it makes the whole picture feel either too dark or too contrast-y. But I think that's all a matter of settings. Gotta 'f with it this weekend
the gaming performance is well within the acceptable bounds
the picture brightness is of course quite good
It DOES need to be calibrated out of the box and I'm not good at that. I find the dynamic contrast to be perhaps a little artificial. It's trying so hard to get deep blacks that it makes the whole picture feel either too dark or too contrast-y. But I think that's all a matter of settings. Gotta 'f with it this weekend
Good to know, I am taking a trip across the border to pick mine up this weekend, as it has arrived in Montana. I'm not much of a picture afficianado yet, but it's still good to know. I'll be extra wary when mine comes out of the box and I'll update.
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the gaming performance is well within the acceptable bounds
the picture brightness is of course quite good
It DOES need to be calibrated out of the box and I'm not good at that. I find the dynamic contrast to be perhaps a little artificial. It's trying so hard to get deep blacks that it makes the whole picture feel either too dark or too contrast-y. But I think that's all a matter of settings. Gotta 'f with it this weekend
Most people will tell you to turn off anything "Dynamic" before trying to get a good calibration. I dunno about Samsungs, but on Panasonics switching to the Movie/Cinema preset disables most of that stuff automatically and is usually the closest to accurate out of the box.
the gaming performance is well within the acceptable bounds
the picture brightness is of course quite good
It DOES need to be calibrated out of the box and I'm not good at that. I find the dynamic contrast to be perhaps a little artificial. It's trying so hard to get deep blacks that it makes the whole picture feel either too dark or too contrast-y. But I think that's all a matter of settings. Gotta 'f with it this weekend
I picked up a 65" H7150, too. I'm not particularly happy with mine. Colors smear under motion (overdrive trailing perhaps), particularly from dark tones like blacks, and I've got light bleed in the corners. I can't return it, either. Ah well.
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i managed to tone down the obscene black levels by reducing the artificial 'cinema black' setting to medium
motion smear I thought was just indemic to LED's, I'm seeing it in things like a basketball game but have not yet noticed in video games like Smash Bros
satisfied with mine so far, even without proper tuning
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Well, the TV is all hooked up and overall I'm very impressed! It's a great improvement over the old Samsung LCD I was using (not sure what model it was, but it was over 5 years old). Noticeably less light bleed from the edges, and I'm pretty happy with the color recreation without fiddling. I'm going to spend some time and try to reduce the S.O.E. but, in the mean, time I'm a happy customer.
Also, that new remote is absolute MAGIC. I love it.
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where you are getting your moneys worth with 4k except for high end bluray?
I'm still bummed that plasma is going out of style. I love my Samsung 50" that I got last year. Beautiful colors and the 600hz thing it does, the moving image looks amazing.
I want better, cheaper bigger 1080p OLED screens before I even care about 4k.
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The TVs always have to come before the content. If nothing else, the guys making the content have to have something to master on.
Unless you're rich or getting it for free, normal people are better off waiting for content to be available. Comcast is saying their next-gen box (late 2015, maybe) is going to support HEVC, so I'd say things are looking good for 4K deployments on cable systems by the end of the decade.
If input lag is your biggest consideration, then consider an emmisive OLED set over a traditional LED backlit LCD like the one you linked.
The problem is...I can't remember the last time I bought any media...be it on DVD, Blu-Ray, digital, or otherwise. I actually bought a little external BR drive for my iMac a year or two ago with the grand scheme that I was going to start buying Blu-Ray movies, rip them to iTunes, and then eventually pick up an AppleTV to stream them to, but that never quite panned out.
I'm thinking of returning it later in the week, but I need a few days to mull over it.
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Those Sony TVs have half the input lag (17ms) compared to the quickest mass market OLED TV (the LG 55EC9300 - 36ms in PC mode). These days, the image processor will have the biggest impact on input lag, rather than the panel type. However, the OLED will blow those Sonys out of the water when it comes to picture quality, but you'll pay almost double the money for that PQ.
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fighting game folks are just about the only ones that are crazy enough to track down the tvs/monitors with sub one frame lag.
http://www.displaylag.com/ is also ok.
Flatpanelshd.com will also put up input lag ranges using their own stopwatch process.
Some of the really hardcore places like Prad.de and tftcentral.co.uk will test using a photodiode oscillscope to get much more accurate readings.
Still, the Leo Bodnar tests are generally a good enough reference point when comparing lag between comparable display technologies.
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If I bought a 4K tv, I would feel compelled to get Timescapes. Mostly because if I'm buying a 4K tv, I already don't care about how much the 4K version costs.
That being said, I did like a 4K TV I saw in a store one time - it was also the first curved screen TV I'd seen, and the viewing angle did seem significantly larger. Was that just because it was 4K/higher quality materials, or does a slight curve actually help?
e: Saw the talk on last page. Ignore that question.
Yeah, why exactly isn't everybody going projector? Cause I got 130 inch 1080P for roughly $750 when all things are said and done.
I dont have a big enough wall or a dark enough room.
Because I have one television, and if I swapped it out for a projector, I would be spending SO MUCH MONEY on replacement lamps.
1) They're loud.
2) You have to either ceiling-mount it or put it on a table in the middle of the room if your back wall isn't in the perfect place.
3) You have to have light control in your room, or you're going to have to blast the lamp at 100% when you want to watch during the day.
4) You have to get a good screen to maximize performance. Unless retractable, this screen will look awful when you aren't watching it.
5) Color saturation and black levels aren't the best for critical viewing unless you have #3.
It's great that it works for your situation, but it isn't for everyone, especially as a primary TV.
For me (coming from a plasma), I don't think any $750 projector (that I know of) would throw a 130" image with the quality I want, even in a good room - I'd have to spend about as much as I would on a good direct-view TV.
i crave the screen. the screen is life
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the gaming performance is well within the acceptable bounds
the picture brightness is of course quite good
It DOES need to be calibrated out of the box and I'm not good at that. I find the dynamic contrast to be perhaps a little artificial. It's trying so hard to get deep blacks that it makes the whole picture feel either too dark or too contrast-y. But I think that's all a matter of settings. Gotta 'f with it this weekend
Might want to check if someone has done the fiddling around with your set already and see if it works for you too.
Good to know, I am taking a trip across the border to pick mine up this weekend, as it has arrived in Montana. I'm not much of a picture afficianado yet, but it's still good to know. I'll be extra wary when mine comes out of the box and I'll update.
Most people will tell you to turn off anything "Dynamic" before trying to get a good calibration. I dunno about Samsungs, but on Panasonics switching to the Movie/Cinema preset disables most of that stuff automatically and is usually the closest to accurate out of the box.
I picked up a 65" H7150, too. I'm not particularly happy with mine. Colors smear under motion (overdrive trailing perhaps), particularly from dark tones like blacks, and I've got light bleed in the corners. I can't return it, either. Ah well.
motion smear I thought was just indemic to LED's, I'm seeing it in things like a basketball game but have not yet noticed in video games like Smash Bros
satisfied with mine so far, even without proper tuning
Also, that new remote is absolute MAGIC. I love it.
heading back to defaults tonight
and yeah the remote is really good
I set it back to factory default "Movie" mode last night and Monday Night Football looked fantastic
I'm satisfied. It needs better calibration but it's alright out of the box in certain modes
Projector-peen?
Do you have your anamorphic lens on a motorized slide yet?
Well, be sure to also get a wide angle lens shot of the room after it's all done, we want to see it in all its glory.