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[TV] Game of Thrones, presented by HBO - NO BOOK DISCUSSION.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'd be happy if the entire 1st season was used up just to establish who is who, the relationships, and ending
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    I've pictured Robert as a fat bearded Ray Stevenson (Titus from Rome), I hope who ever is cast in the role for the series looks similar.

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  • stigweard921stigweard921 Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Regarding Catelyn Stark, did anyone else who read the books picture her as being younger? I keep thinking that Michelle Fairley seems too old for the role. Isn't Catelyn only in her late 20s or early 30s?
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Regarding Catelyn Stark, did anyone else who read the books picture her as being younger? I keep thinking that Michelle Fairley seems too old for the role. Isn't Catelyn only in her late 20s or early 30s?
    Spoiler:

    So far Catelyn has been...way too not bitchy. They changed some of this from the books but I was already disliking her by this point in the books.

    Also, I wish this thread luck in it's endeavor.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Man I've read the books a bunch of times, but in the scene by the river
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  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Regarding Catelyn Stark, did anyone else who read the books picture her as being younger? I keep thinking that Michelle Fairley seems too old for the role. Isn't Catelyn only in her late 20s or early 30s?

    The actress originally slated to play Catelyn, Jennifier Ehle, is like 32 or something. Compared to Michelle's Fairley's 46. So that got changed quite a bit when they changed actresses. I can't seem to find any pics of Ehle's Catelyn though.

  • valiancevaliance Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Regarding Catelyn Stark, did anyone else who read the books picture her as being younger? I keep thinking that Michelle Fairley seems too old for the role. Isn't Catelyn only in her late 20s or early 30s?
    Spoiler:

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    i hate catelyn anyway so

    i'm not that disappointed with her actress being older and sorta weepy looking

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'd be happy if the entire 1st season was used up just to establish who is who, the relationships, and ending
    Spoiler:

    I've pictured Robert as a fat bearded Ray Stevenson (Titus from Rome), I hope who ever is cast in the role for the series looks similar.

    It would take like five seasons just to get to the end of GoT. There is zero chance they would ever get to the ending of the series (if one does indeed ever get written, but nevermind that for now, I will have faith!).

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  • metaghostmetaghost Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Selner wrote: »
    And Ilyn Payne is not nearly as imposing as I pictured him. He should be taller or something. He just looked like a frumpy old man.

    He may not have been physically imposing, but he still looked sufficiently sinister.

  • Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Shen wrote: »

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Thanks for making this thread. I am barely halfway into the first book ... so the other thread was getting frustrating for me with all the spoilers and what not.

    Also ... that scene with Tyrion and his nephew was like 7 kinds of awesome.

  • Kate of LokysKate of Lokys Registered User
    edited April 2011
    I watched the first two episodes of this with my fiance, who hasn't read the books at all. He told me after the last episode that he's not watching it anymore. It's not that he has a problem keeping up with who's who, or that he finds the plot hard to follow: he just finds it unbearably depressing.

    His comments after the second episode:
    Spoiler:

    I hate to say it, but he has a point. I mean, I'm enjoying it, but I know what's going to happen. I don't feel bad when Viserys is an absolute asshole to his sister, because I know that within a few episodes, he's going to [book spoilers]
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    But my fiance doesn't know that, because he hasn't read the books, so he just sees everyone in sight getting the shit kicked out of them by fate, bad luck, and each other.

    I'm here to tell you about voting. Imagine you're locked in a huge underground nightclub filled with sinners, whores, freaks and unnameable things that rape pit bulls for fun. And you ain't allowed out until you all vote on what you're going to do tonight [. . .] So you vote for television, and everyone else, as far as your eye can see, votes to fuck you with switchblades. That's voting. You're welcome.
  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Just tell him that the motto of House Stark is based off the original Tagaryen House words, which are "Uppence Will Come"

  • TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I suppose it's a fair complaint. If you don't want to see bad things happen to people, this show probably won't be a lot of fun to watch.

    I've seen a lot of evidence that the book series isn't for everyone, actually. Whenever it's discussed, there are a few people who say they started reading it, but didn't finish because they weren't enjoying it.

    The good news is that this seems to be a small minority of the people who have started reading it, so it would stand to reason that a majority of newcomers to the show should get hooked.

    Not that ratings matter all that much to HBO. They must be raking in the new subscription fees from the large and dedicated fan base.

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  • LaOsLaOs Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    I mean, names are mentioned in the books (or descriptions given) because that's the only way to indicate that someone is in the background or present in a scene, even if they're not really important yet (but having them have been around for a scene to see something or whatnot may be important). But, with television, you can simply show characters in the scene and you don't have to go out of the way to say they're there, because the audience can see them. And then, when that character actually matters, the viewer gets to know more about him or her (and can have their fun "ah-ha!" moments when they remember the character was present earlier).

    I think that it would probably be easier for non-readers to watch the show if the readers did not explain the significance of things and people to them. Let the show play itself out, just like the books did when we read them. I think the explanations draw attention to the "lack" of explanations in the show, even though those unexplained things might not have needed to be explained at that point.

  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think I must be a terrible person because I love shows where awful things happen to everyone

    The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think I must be a terrible person because I love shows where awful things happen to everyone

    The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc

    Same as Soaps and Greek plays really, particularly in the UK. Terrible things happening to people is humanity's favourite entertainment.
    Must be some quirk of emolution.

  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User
    edited April 2011
    My wife, a non-book reader and not a fantasy fan per se, is hooked. I was greatly worried the series would lose her forever as the ending sequence of ep2 is something that typically drives her away from any TV show or movie. Her words after the episode, "I don't see how anyone could stop watching this. That was amazing." I think we're in good shape.

    The casting just continues to impress the hell out of me. These characters have lived on the pages and in my head for so long, I was very surprised at how quickly I connected with them all on screen.

    And for whoever asked earlier, rumor is that season 2 filming will start in late July. Kind of surprising that they will be waiting so long...wonder if there's some prep work they need to focus on for new locqtions or cgi bits or something.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Well they need to write season 2 and then cast all the new roles and then yeah they will need to scout new locations/build new sets and stuff.

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  • jefe414jefe414 The dirtiest Sanchez TortugaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Has anyone not read the books? I have but my roommate has not. I'm really digging the show so far but my roommate is watching with me and after the second episode she said she doesn't care anymore.

    She said the show puts way too much assumption that you've already read the books and it's confusing and that all these things that have to be explained to her should be explained in the show and not be explained by me.

    Just wondering if she just has poor taste or if this is the general consensus.

    My friends and I get together every week to watch it. None of us have ever read the books. Plot is easy enough to follow, although we always have discussions about the episode when it is over. Any confusion is cleared up (or so we think) and we put forth our own theories about the future. The one thing we have trouble with are the names. It happens with a decent sized cast and only being two episodes in. Right now, it's one of like, 5 shows I currently watch. I love it.

    EDIT: Also, I was under the impression they weren't going to follow the books exactly.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'd imagine it would more work for them to deviate from the narrative than it would be for them to do a very faithful adaptation. The world Martin built is pretty air-tight (insofar as I'm only on A Storm of Swords) and to change backstories or characters would probably be a chore re: trying to link everything back up.

    Also so much of what happens in GoT informs the rest of the series. Unless they are really deviating, I think it's probably safest and easiest for them to stay on the beaten path.

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  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yeah, I don't know why they'd switch things around if they didn't have to. I mean, it's always possible that Martin would have written something differently if he'd thought of it and it'll make the point of that plot clearer, but I imagine they'll stay more or less faithful.

    I can sorta see how people would give up on this series. While it's not a complete downer all the time, a lot of bad things do happen. It can get kinda bleak. But that makes the good things that happen even better. When certain shithead princes get slapped around, for an early non-spoiler example.

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

  • LaOsLaOs Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Yeah, that's one that I know some people who have read the book find annoying that hasn't been "properly" introduced yet.
    Spoiler:

  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Was he the other character in the Godswood when Catlyn is revealign the Lanister plot, or was that the Castellan. Looks like a blonder, scruffier Robb?

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    LaOs wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Yeah, that's one that I know some people who have read the book find annoying that hasn't been "properly" introduced yet.
    Spoiler:

    No, he doesn't really do anything interesting for a while and introducing him would only clutter the plot at this point.

    He will need to be properly introduced this season (at least I think) because
    Spoiler:

    It's been a long time for me too, but I think that happens in the first book.

  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak Registered User
    edited April 2011
    All the Sansa/Daenerys moments are just as bad as I remember it from the book - I cringe every time they appear on screen. D:

    Other than I'm really liking the show so far. I never got around to finish the first book so I've got something to look forward to I guess.

  • LaOsLaOs Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Yeah, that's one that I know some people who have read the book find annoying that hasn't been "properly" introduced yet.
    Spoiler:

    No, he doesn't really do anything interesting for a while and introducing him would only clutter the plot at this point.

    He will need to be properly introduced this season (at least I think) because
    Spoiler:

    It's been a long time for me too, but I think that happens in the first book.

    Ah, then it seems like we're on the same page then. Good. :D

    [Edit]
    Tastyfish: I don't know--I haven't seen the episode yet. From others' comments, though, it was.

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Was he the other character in the Godswood when Catlyn is revealign the Lanister plot, or was that the Castellan. Looks like a blonder, scruffier Robb?

    Yeah, that's him.

    He's really fine being a background character for a long time, but it's still interesting to watch him.

  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Was he the other character in the Godswood when Catlyn is revealign the Lanister plot, or was that the Castellan. Looks like a blonder, scruffier Robb?

    He's also the guy who almost kills the dire wolf pups, and says something like "I don't follow your orders, I follow your father's orders" to Rob.

  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The earlier episodes don't have to accomplish as much as they will as the series goes on. There's a lot of points where you're supposed to go from hating a character to liking a character and vice versa. How those are pulled off, I'm very excited to see.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Selner wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Was he the other character in the Godswood when Catlyn is revealign the Lanister plot, or was that the Castellan. Looks like a blonder, scruffier Robb?

    He's also the guy who almost kills the dire wolf pups, and says something like "I don't follow your orders, I follow your father's orders" to Rob.

    Also, where's HODOR!

    I am waiting for "One does not simply walk into Hodor" pics.

  • MayGodHaveMercyMayGodHaveMercy Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Because it was vastly different from the book, mostly. And it almost came off like they were trying to make Cersei sympathetic. And basically fuck that lady.

    This is silly to me, there are going to be additions and subtractions. Adaptations between media are never 1:1 because something that works in a book dosen't always work on screen and vice versa.

    My favorite scene in episode 2 was the Jaime/Jon scene and despite the fact that it was also a new scene not from the books, there was so much subtext going on in that conversation for people who have read them that I was blown away.

    Yes, thank you. I understand how it works. I just didn't like the way that particular instance of it was done. My opinion is silly, I guess!

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades His love is a prize Rantin' and RavenRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Balefuego wrote: »
    ...why? I thought that scene was fantastic.

    I hated it for different reasons than I've heard (Cersei more sympathetic, etc.)

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Was just browsing through IMDB looking at some of the characters we haven't seen yet. Man, whoever did the casting for this show did an excellent job.

  • ShenShen UKRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So far Catelyn has been...way too not bitchy. They changed some of this from the books but I was already disliking her by this point in the books.

    Also, I wish this thread luck in it's endeavor.

    It's mainly because we don't get PoVs. In the books
    Spoiler:

    Honestly, I like it this way. I never really gave Cat a fair shake; hopefully my friends will be able to.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades His love is a prize Rantin' and RavenRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Selner wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Asiina wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    I find that, even though there are a tonne of characters milling about and hardly any of them are properly introduced, it isn't actually that big a deal because they're not really doing anything. I've read the books, but it still seems to me that characters are "properly" introduced to the audience when they need to be.

    Still waiting for
    Spoiler:
    to get an introduction. I've been watching him in every scene he's in.

    Was he the other character in the Godswood when Catlyn is revealign the Lanister plot, or was that the Castellan. Looks like a blonder, scruffier Robb?

    He's also the guy who almost kills the dire wolf pups, and says something like "I don't follow your orders, I follow your father's orders" to Rob.

    Also, where's HODOR!

    I am waiting for "One does not simply walk into Hodor" pics.

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    I get by on the knowledge that I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time mucking about inside of my asshole anyway
  • LibrarianLibrarian Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think I must be a terrible person because I love shows where awful things happen to everyone

    The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc

    Pretty much this.
    And it's not like there are only bad things happening in the books, some of those people that have it really bad right now or that will be wronged over the course of the series will have a great comeback and some of them will probably have the most awesome revenge.

    I really hate it when people say about the books that "noone is save" "omg every character can die" etc.
    This just goes to show how skewed the perception of a lot of genre fans is, because the majority of fantastic literature coddles the reader into some juvenile wishfullfillment scenario where badass dudes kick ass and have big adventures and everyone is save.
    In your generic fantasy novel you pretty much know who is going to make it and who is the bad guy after 20 pages or so, but that's just not how most GOOD books work.

    Of course not everyone can die in these books and of course there are characters that are pretty much save until they have met their destiny, whatever that may be. George R.R. Martin is not using some random number generator to determine who dies next or will decide to kill a character off because he just kinda feels like it.

    In most literature worth reading, or movies or shows worth watching bad things happen to characters that feel a lot more real than Drizzt Do Urden or Hanna Montana and some character that you like might die, even if you did not wish or expect it.
    That does not mean that everything is oh so dark and doomed and nothing good will ever happen again or that EVERY character can die at any second.

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  • Reverend_ChaosReverend_Chaos Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    My only casting complaint thus far is Ilyn Payne...He just looks like a cranky old man. I did not find him imposing at all.

    Otherwise, I am not a huge fan of Catelyn, but I don't hate her either. I feel Meh...

    Peter Dinklage is probably THE best casting choice. He is AWESOME!! I am super happy about that one, that guy is fantastic!

    I really like NCW playing Jaime....a very good choice as well. He has the chops to bring that character to life. Another solid choice.

    Sean Bean for Ned is a good solid choice. I am really liking him in this role.

    Seriously, the casting for this show is PHENOMENAL!!! Kudo's to HBO and the producers for not only doing this, but doing it RIGHT!!

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think the only thing missing from the show (and the books too, at this point) is some kind of small victory for the characters we're rooting for. Bad shit happens to characters in Mad Men and The Wire, sure, but interspersed with that we get to see Don put a golden campaign out of thin air and sell it to Lucky Strike, or McNulty put one over on Rawls. Little victories like that don't really make up for the bigger issues at stake, but they give the viewer a little pump up when something good happens for the characters they're rooting for.

    Like I said, at this point there isn't that much opportunity for this sort of thing in the story so far. About the only little victorious moment I can think of is Tyriod bitchslapping Joffrey, which is less about a character victory and more about "somebody should slap that kid."

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