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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zyrxil wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    I'd say that Original Sin is currently around House of M so that's not a bad place to be. Though it is fair to say that other than Annihilation and Infinity, I didn't really, properly enjoy any of those events, all the way down to active dislike. Though Axis and End of Everything look like they will both be solid indeed.

    Original Sin's latest issue has called into question the canonicity of Secret Warriors. That's a huge...sin.
    No it doesn't.
    Secret Warriors Fury was an LMD but judging from the fact that Old Fury has an army of them and they obey him, chances are he knew everything LMD Fury was doing and either approved or was pulling his strings

    I haven't read Secret Warriors, but has anyone brought up the thing that happened to Fury either in the Fear Itself Bucky/Cap epilogue issue or in the Battle Scars mini that introduced Nick Fury, Jr.?
    Between the two, Fury permanently ran out of infinity formula, which influenced him to fade back behind the scenes while Nick Fury Jr. took over in most of the titles after that

    That stuff has to play into this, right? And if it does, it's kind of interesting, because so many parts of Original Sin feel like they have Brubaker's shadow over them far beyond the basic premise with the Watcher.

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    ZyrxilZyrxil Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Zyrxil wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    I'd say that Original Sin is currently around House of M so that's not a bad place to be. Though it is fair to say that other than Annihilation and Infinity, I didn't really, properly enjoy any of those events, all the way down to active dislike. Though Axis and End of Everything look like they will both be solid indeed.

    Original Sin's latest issue has called into question the canonicity of Secret Warriors. That's a huge...sin.
    No it doesn't.
    Secret Warriors Fury was an LMD but judging from the fact that Old Fury has an army of them and they obey him, chances are he knew everything LMD Fury was doing and either approved or was pulling his strings
    I absolutely think it calls into question how any Fury-centric story taking place in 'modern' times makes any sense. The words "most advanced LMD I've ever seen" can only suspend so much disbelief, and it certainly wouldn't cover slumming around Italy sleeping with a triple-agent girlfriend, even fooling the perception of Skrulls, while fathering children (20 years earlier) that later die because of you. Also what Undead Scotsman said, Infinity Formula etc, Mockingbird & Fury Jr stories, yada yada. I'll be pretty annoyed if Old Fury doesn't turn out to be a super extra even more advanced clone.

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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    I'm betting that
    Fury experienced accelerated aging after he ran out of Infinity Formula in the time after Fear Itself,

    keeping Secret Warriors and any Fury stories before it relatively unaffected.

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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2014
    Zyrxil wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    I'd say that Original Sin is currently around House of M so that's not a bad place to be. Though it is fair to say that other than Annihilation and Infinity, I didn't really, properly enjoy any of those events, all the way down to active dislike. Though Axis and End of Everything look like they will both be solid indeed.

    Original Sin's latest issue has called into question the canonicity of Secret Warriors. That's a huge...sin.

    Hadji is correct. Secret Warriors was Nick Fury, not an LMD. Fury lost his Infinity Formula and reverted to an old man in Battle Scars after Fear Itself.

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    The instant Fury popped up all normal in Original Sin, I though they had ignored Battle Scars.

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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    Yeah, it definitely makes the "twist" not a "twist," but it kind of makes sense considering that almost no one read battle scars to begin with.

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    azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    So im kinda late jumping on the original sins bandwagon. I usually get my comics via the internet in a big shipment every other month or so, and im trying to save money by not watching pre-orders so i dont go broke buying stuff that sounds neat. I picked up issues 1-4 of the main original sins mini and I just kinda want a few spoilers of things happening in the side books.
    spoilering the questions:
    1) Is thors sister angela that new character marvel bought from another company?

    2) What was spider mans secret?

    3) what were the other big secret storylines that came of the first eye blowing up.

    Thanks

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    So im kinda late jumping on the original sins bandwagon. I usually get my comics via the internet in a big shipment every other month or so, and im trying to save money by not watching pre-orders so i dont go broke buying stuff that sounds neat. I picked up issues 1-4 of the main original sins mini and I just kinda want a few spoilers of things happening in the side books.
    spoilering the questions:
    1) Is thors sister angela that new character marvel bought from another company?

    2) What was spider mans secret?

    3) what were the other big secret storylines that came of the first eye blowing up.

    Thanks
    1. Yes.

    2. He found out that someone else got bit by the same spider he did. That plot is yet to come in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man.

    3. Bruce Banner found out that Tony Stark fiddled with his gamma bomb way back when. Captain America found out that the Illuminati mind-wiped him. Those are the big ones, I think.

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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    So im kinda late jumping on the original sins bandwagon. I usually get my comics via the internet in a big shipment every other month or so, and im trying to save money by not watching pre-orders so i dont go broke buying stuff that sounds neat. I picked up issues 1-4 of the main original sins mini and I just kinda want a few spoilers of things happening in the side books.
    spoilering the questions:
    1) Is thors sister angela that new character marvel bought from another company?

    2) What was spider mans secret?

    3) what were the other big secret storylines that came of the first eye blowing up.

    Thanks
    1. Yes.

    2. He found out that someone else got bit by the same spider he did. That plot is yet to come in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man.

    3. Bruce Banner found out that Tony Stark fiddled with his gamma bomb way back when. Captain America found out that the Illuminati mind-wiped him. Those are the big ones, I think.

    For question 3, as far as it affects the regular monthly titles, a lot of the tie-ins don't start until later this month (July!) or next. We've only seen a few so far:
    -In Avengers, Cap has remembered his time spent with the Illuminati from the first few issues of New Avengers.
    -In Fantastic Four, Ben Grimm realizes that Johnny was responsible for his spikey thing-form in the 80s. The first issue of this story ended on a cliffhanger, so there may be further reveals.
    -In All-New Invaders (I would imagine I'm the only one on the board reading this), a new Japanese hero remembers some past stuff from her grandmother, who fought the Invaders during WWII. Apparently, the Invaders had a chance to stop the US from ever using the A-bomb, but chose not to.

    Some other ones I know about that are coming up:
    -Nova finds out that his father and the black novas were a black-ops units that did dirty work. He may or may not actually find his dad, as well.
    -In Guardians of the Galaxy, we're finally going to see how Star Lord and Thanos got out of the Cancerverse, and what happened to Richard Rider.
    -In Uncanny X-Men, there's a story called "The Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier," which is being kept a secret until it starts in a couple of weeks.
    -Daredevil learns that his dad was not the iconic father figure he remembered.

    That covers everything but Mighty Avengers and Deadpool. No idea what the tie-ins are for those.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Oh right, in Mighty Avengers Luke Cage found out that his dad used to run with a proto-Avengers team made up of 70s Blade, the Blue Marvel, Kaluu, the Bear, and a reporter named Constance Molina.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    I wish the Spider Man Original Sin reveal would be that he was married to Mary Jane and sold his soul to the Devil.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    If you can find any way to stomach Greg Land's art, Might Avengers is otherwise really really good

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    It breaks my heart that such a good book is saddled with such a terrible artist.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    I was trying to decide what's worse, Land tracing porn, or Finch imagining and then drawing as Porn.

    Then I just got sad that the decision exists.

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    noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    It breaks my heart that such a good book is saddled with such a terrible artist.

    Granted, most of the stuff I've seen comes from Scan Daily, but the art hasn't looked as Landish as usual. It's actually quite good.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    If you can find any way to stomach Greg Land's art, Might Avengers is otherwise really really good
    It breaks my heart that such a good book is saddled with such a terrible artist.


    I really want to read Mighty Avengers, but I've yet to break my ban on buying any book with Greg Land art.

    It hurts, but I've been holding strong.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/90453370333/anything-planned-for-the-next-avengers-kids-just
    Anything planned for the Next Avengers kids? Just wondering, with the time stuff going on everywhere. - brownink2012

    Yes.

    Whoa... There's people who actually care about the Next Avengers kids??

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
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    :3

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    How is it possible for any one life form to need to get punched in the face as much as Gladiator needs to get punched in the face?

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
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    new captain america!

    spoilers it's totally going to be sam wilson

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    BullioBullio Registered User regular
    Furu wrote: »
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    new captain america!

    spoilers it's totally going to be sam wilson

    Nah.
    If it's not Ian, I will be genuinely surprised.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    then prepare to be disappointed because we've already seen him on a cover!

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I can't believe I'm saying this but the Cap on that cover's skin tone appears to match Thor, Tony, and Cap

    Sam's skin tone does not

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    I think its just the weird lighting

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    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    Keep in mind that the "8 Months Later" dealy does give us enough time for multiple caps in the interim.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    That mask is also literally just the comic Falcon mask crossed with the movie Falcon goggles

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    so there's a rumor that Marvel will be launching a new Spider-Woman series by Dennis Hopeless and Greg Land

    once I finished gagging in disgust, I realized that meant he won't be drawing Mighty Avengers anymore and I'm actually kind of relieved

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Heh, that was pretty much my opinion about him going from Iron Man to Mighty Avengers.

    We really need to find him a book that nobody likes.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Heh, that was pretty much my opinion about him going from Iron Man to Mighty Avengers.

    We really need to find him a book that nobody likes.

    The only way that will happen is if Marvel puts him on a poor-selling book to try to give it a boost, because they clearly consider his art a draw. They keep hiring him, and putting him on high-profile titles at that.

    Somebody must like it.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    It's me

    I am the monster that haunts your dreams

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    No for real though Land sucks

    when I was a stupid teenager he used a lingerie model for Ultimate Sue Storm's Mum and that was good enough for me at the time

    but as I said

    stupid teenager (so stupid)

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Why the fuck does Land get paired with the best writers?

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I think it's because the vast majority of the comic buying public are apparently people who like shitty art and actively dislike writing that rises above the mediocre, so Marvel puts him on books that they figure needs its sales boosted from the shitty art loving demographic

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I liked Rocket Raccoon, but I was surprised at how cartoony Young's art was.

    Which isn't a knock, I knew he had his Oz look, and the baby covers, but I still think of his New X-Men/Human Torch stuff where it was a more free flowing Ramos style. Coming back to the Marvel universe for reals I thought he was going to bring his style back that way.

    I guess it's more that the story actually had the Guardians in it for a bit and wasn't completely cut off like a solo series can be these days.

    But I was actually glad there was a story there, almost over his art, which you would assume would be the big draw. This wasn't a McFarlane Spider-Man instance.

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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    I think it's because the vast majority of the comic buying public are apparently people who like shitty art and actively dislike writing that rises above the mediocre, so Marvel puts him on books that they figure needs its sales boosted from the shitty art loving demographic

    More accurate than you know.

    We were all young once.

    I thought Phoenix:Endsong at the time had MINDBLOWINGLY amazing art. This was at a time when Greg Land was at most,"I think his art's good but I think he may trace maybe?".

    But that was all just hersay.

    As a "new reader", people will pick up and thumb through a Land book just because the art's "unique".

    It's only after you actually get into comics and the artists that work on them do you find out that Greg Land's a piece of shit.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    My first exposure to Greg Land art was in Ultimate Power. My second exposure was when he got Uncanny X-Men and he drew Pixie exactly like he drew Sue Storm except with pink hair. That second exposure was when I knew his art was bad.

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    BullioBullio Registered User regular
    For those of us that forgot Hawkeye existed:
    aja hollingsworth eliopoulos + me
    30 July 2014


    pls stop asking now we love you sorry

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    Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Back in his Crossgen days, Land's Sojourn did outsell any of the other Crossgen titles by quite a wide margin, so he does seem to have his fans.

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    BullioBullio Registered User regular
    Axis gets renamed, and it looks like Hobgoblin is maybe back to Green Goblin?

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I would think "AXIS: Avengers & X-Men" would look better than the other way around, but what do I know?

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    You mean Zero Year doesn't make more sense than Year Zero?.

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