If movie compatibility were more important my wife and I probably wouldn't be married.
I mean, we like some of the same movies but then I'll never forget the day...
the day she turned to me and said 4 words every person should never want to hear...
"I hate Bill Murray."
It's fun, having some disagreements over tastes in stuff. Keeps things interesting.
I tease the lady about Baz Luhrmann, she teases me about True Detective. It's a good time.
And at the end of the day, it's just media. If mutually-appreciated consumption is the, like, cornerstone of a relationship, that's a sad state of affairs.
She doesn't like true detective?
Whaaaaa?
I'm not doing a you should break up with her thing or anything. I just can't think of an actual complaint about the show.
Does she not like it because it is too good?
Hates the portrayal of women (I argue that that's much of the point, but she says, and I can't disagree, that watching intentionally unpleasant treatment and portrayal of women is still unpleasant), thinks the ending is goofy and pat (she found the killer to be cartoonish), thinks the show squandered a lot of its ambiguity and unique tone to settle into a rote serial killer story.
I don't agree with any of these views, but I can see where she's coming from.
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Ugh.
That's the worst.
I have to begrudgingly agree that all of those points are valid.
Haunted by his turbulent past, Mad Max believes the best way to survive is to wander alone. Nevertheless, he becomes swept up with a group fleeing across the Wasteland in a War Rig driven by an elite Imperator, Furiosa. They are escaping a Citadel tyrannized by the Immortan Joe, from whom something irreplaceable has been taken. Enraged, the Warlord marshals all his gangs and pursues the rebels ruthlessly in the high-octane Road War that follows.
“Mad Max: Fury Road”—the fourth in the franchise’s history—stars Tom Hardy (“The Dark Knight Rises”) in the title role, alongside Oscar winner Charlize Theron (“Monster,” “Prometheus”) as the Imperator, Furiosa. The film also stars Nicholas Hoult (“X-Men: Days of Future Past”) as Nux; Hugh Keays-Byrne (“Mad Max”, “Sleeping Beauty”) as Immortan Joe; and Nathan Jones (“Conan the Barbarian”) as Rictus Erectus. Collectively known as The Wives, Zoë Kravitz (“Divergent”) plays Toast, Riley Keough (“Magic Mike”) is Capable, and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley (“Transformers: Dark of the Moon”) is Splendid. They are joined by supermodel Abbey Lee as The Dag and Courtney Eaton as Fragile, both of whom are making heir big screen debuts. Also featured in the movie are Josh Helman as Slit, Jennifer Hagan as Miss Giddy, and singer/songwriter/performer iOTA as Coma-Doof Warrior. The cast is rounded out by well-known Australian actors John Howard and Richard Carter, supermodel Megan Gale, Angus Sampson, Joy Smithers, Gillian Jones, Melissa Jaffer and Melita Jurisic.
Hahahaha these are such classic weirdo Mad Max names
Rictus Erectus
Toast
Coma-Doof Warrior The Dag
I think my favorite part is that the names of the Wives almost seem connected by theme
making fun of someone for liking true detective in retaliation for making fun of baz luhrmann is like making fun of someone for liking u2 when you like nickelback
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edited July 2014
This is in response to CK comments rather than pooro's girlfriend but it really bugs me when people complain that true detective was innovated or the twist was wasn't very good.
That's not what it was about!
It's a police procedural about how you grind a case and eventually find something shitty that you missed the first time. And even then, it was far more about the characters than the case.
Seriously, fuck the case. I'm there to watch actors chew on amazing individual scenes.
The fucking butler could have done it for all I cared and I would have still been happy with the ending.
The most famous sequence of the entire season of True Detective (the end of episode 4) had nothing to do with absolutely anything
but it's still brilliant
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True Detective was absolutely incredible. The writing and the acting was some of the finest I've ever seen.
The overall story just wasn't that important to me, and even if it was, it was fine. I know it didn't have some crazy, special answer, but most police cases don't.
I could sit and watch Matthew Mcconaughey as Rust forever and never grow tired of it.
most of my problems are with rust, i thought rust was so exaggeratedly grim and affectless that it was almost idealizing it
like frank miller's dark knight, a sort of gritty fantasy figure that on the surface is not someone you'd want to be but actually operates as a kind of wish fulfillment for dudes who have been conditioned by masculinity to think that violent, nihilistic loners are aspirational figures
it's a sort of ambiguity you get in a lot of commentaries on masculinity. the same basic thing is present in fight club, for example. on some level fight club is supposed to be appealing to a traditionally male viewer, but you are also meant to recognize that it's fucked up that it appeals to you and that the very thing within you that kinda thinks joining a fight club might be a good idea is the thing that destroys everyone in the movie
true detective is about the same thing, but i don't think it articulates it as well. i think it acknowledges that rust's life is bleak and empty but i don't think it acknowledges that that very bleak emptiness is appealing to a particular kind of person, and it sort of needs to if it's going to really express what the problem is. it's not enough to just say, masculinity sucks because it deadens people emotionally and encourages them to be physically violent in order to compensate. you also have to recognize that those very qualities are what makes it attractive. just to stage a character who embodies the worst aspects of masculinity is counterproductive if it does not also observe that the implicit value system of the people you are, presumably, trying to reach, makes those the best aspects
i think marty was a little better because the show seems to largely be aware that he is a reprehensible shitheel, and also i think it was very clever to cast the intensely loveable woody harrelson in that role
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edited July 2014
I would say that the dynamic between Rust and Marty is an interesting one because of that(and probably only reason I liked the show).
They are both two sides of the same coin just that Rust has pretty much given up on changing while Marty spends most of his time in denial.
If anything I would say that I "liked" Rust more just because like you mentioned he is kind of an idealized character. I found the detached nature in how he looked at the world to be pretty interesting. And in some ways I will say it served as a pretty good foil to the other characters in the show(especially Marty).
But I will say that Marty's character actually annoyed me because he was much more true to life.
A hyper masculine, misogynistic asshole whose life is miserable but who lacks the self-awareness to realize that most of the shitty things about his life are self-inflicted.
Man...I've met so many people like that in real life that it just bugs the crap out of me.
But I will say the characters only really worked because they were together.
Has Woody Harrelson even played a lovable character since Cheers
Anyway, as someone just starting True Detective, Marty seems pretty ok but I can see something else there as well. Some of his reactions to things are questionable, and a little scary too. That look when Rust decides to stay for dinner is something else. The way he holds his jaw. It's an incredibly well affected portrayal of barely repressed anger.
As far as Rust goes, I don't know from the masculine part yet but right from the start the story is screaming at you that he's got a shitty life and no one should want to be him unless they're the kind of asinine person who thinks that "I don't sleep, I dream," is a super deep thing to say.
He's got a neat minor role in Bunraku. But I've never liked him, mainly because of his face. I just don't like it. Same reason I don't like Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Has Woody Harrelson even played a lovable character since Cheers
Anyway, as someone just starting True Detective, Marty seems pretty ok but I can see something else there as well. Some of his reactions to things are questionable, and a little scary too. That look when Rust decides to stay for dinner is something else. The way he holds his jaw. It's an incredibly well affected portrayal of barely repressed anger.
As far as Rust goes, I don't know from the masculine part yet but right from the start the story is screaming at you that he's got a shitty life and no one should want to be him unless they're the kind of asinine person who thinks that "I don't sleep, I dream," is a super deep thing to say.
I would say that Rust's masculinity is moreso presented through his apathy.
Taking that scene you mentioned and Marty in general. When in stressful situations, Marty tends to have a much more human response. Sure that response is usually anger but given his personality type that isn't surprising.
Rust on the other hand has usually has a cooler, almost noir-esque reaction to stress and violence. Like his character is rarely if ever not in control even if his character is obviously mentally unstable.
Violent outburst and apathy/lack of empathy as power are both sides of violent masculinity.
most of my problems are with rust, i thought rust was so exaggeratedly grim and affectless that it was almost idealizing it
like frank miller's dark knight, a sort of gritty fantasy figure that on the surface is not someone you'd want to be but actually operates as a kind of wish fulfillment for dudes who have been conditioned by masculinity to think that violent, nihilistic loners are aspirational figures
it's a sort of ambiguity you get in a lot of commentaries on masculinity. the same basic thing is present in fight club, for example. on some level fight club is supposed to be appealing to a traditionally male viewer, but you are also meant to recognize that it's fucked up that it appeals to you and that the very thing within you that kinda thinks joining a fight club might be a good idea is the thing that destroys everyone in the movie
true detective is about the same thing, but i don't think it articulates it as well. i think it acknowledges that rust's life is bleak and empty but i don't think it acknowledges that that very bleak emptiness is appealing to a particular kind of person, and it sort of needs to if it's going to really express what the problem is. it's not enough to just say, masculinity sucks because it deadens people emotionally and encourages them to be physically violent in order to compensate. you also have to recognize that those very qualities are what makes it attractive. just to stage a character who embodies the worst aspects of masculinity is counterproductive if it does not also observe that the implicit value system of the people you are, presumably, trying to reach, makes those the best aspects
i think marty was a little better because the show seems to largely be aware that he is a reprehensible shitheel, and also i think it was very clever to cast the intensely loveable woody harrelson in that role
The show wasn't aware he was a reprehensible shitheel, Pizzolatto wrote him as a human being with flaws who goes through triumphs and failures. The "detective's curse" monologue is pretty much the only scene I need to point to to show how much empathy the show has for that character.
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Hates the portrayal of women (I argue that that's much of the point, but she says, and I can't disagree, that watching intentionally unpleasant treatment and portrayal of women is still unpleasant), thinks the ending is goofy and pat (she found the killer to be cartoonish), thinks the show squandered a lot of its ambiguity and unique tone to settle into a rote serial killer story.
I don't agree with any of these views, but I can see where she's coming from.
That's the worst.
I have to begrudgingly agree that all of those points are valid.
Except for the last one.
Satans..... hints.....
I think my favorite part is that the names of the Wives almost seem connected by theme
Just not quite
Like, Splendid, Capable, and Fragile?
Those go together great
But then they're joined by Toast and The Dag
it wasn't bad as such, it just wasn't remotely innovative
also i think it pretends to be a critique of masculinity in order to sort of sneakily idealize it
That's not what it was about!
It's a police procedural about how you grind a case and eventually find something shitty that you missed the first time. And even then, it was far more about the characters than the case.
Seriously, fuck the case. I'm there to watch actors chew on amazing individual scenes.
The fucking butler could have done it for all I cared and I would have still been happy with the ending.
Satans..... hints.....
I disagree vehemently with this entire post and the last part doesn't even make sense. You're fishing really hard for reasons to shit on it.
but it's still brilliant
The overall story just wasn't that important to me, and even if it was, it was fine. I know it didn't have some crazy, special answer, but most police cases don't.
I could sit and watch Matthew Mcconaughey as Rust forever and never grow tired of it.
It makes sense and he isn't fishing
I disagree, but that's fine
You needn't be so defensive about a show, it's just media
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Rust was pretty awesome. But for the most part it was just me watching the show to see Rust be Rust.
I don't quite understand what you're saying.
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no he's got me there
i am actually getting kickbacks from Big Literature to talk shit about beloved tv shows
every time i say breaking bad was overrated jonathan franzen sends me $50
like frank miller's dark knight, a sort of gritty fantasy figure that on the surface is not someone you'd want to be but actually operates as a kind of wish fulfillment for dudes who have been conditioned by masculinity to think that violent, nihilistic loners are aspirational figures
it's a sort of ambiguity you get in a lot of commentaries on masculinity. the same basic thing is present in fight club, for example. on some level fight club is supposed to be appealing to a traditionally male viewer, but you are also meant to recognize that it's fucked up that it appeals to you and that the very thing within you that kinda thinks joining a fight club might be a good idea is the thing that destroys everyone in the movie
true detective is about the same thing, but i don't think it articulates it as well. i think it acknowledges that rust's life is bleak and empty but i don't think it acknowledges that that very bleak emptiness is appealing to a particular kind of person, and it sort of needs to if it's going to really express what the problem is. it's not enough to just say, masculinity sucks because it deadens people emotionally and encourages them to be physically violent in order to compensate. you also have to recognize that those very qualities are what makes it attractive. just to stage a character who embodies the worst aspects of masculinity is counterproductive if it does not also observe that the implicit value system of the people you are, presumably, trying to reach, makes those the best aspects
i think marty was a little better because the show seems to largely be aware that he is a reprehensible shitheel, and also i think it was very clever to cast the intensely loveable woody harrelson in that role
They are both two sides of the same coin just that Rust has pretty much given up on changing while Marty spends most of his time in denial.
If anything I would say that I "liked" Rust more just because like you mentioned he is kind of an idealized character. I found the detached nature in how he looked at the world to be pretty interesting. And in some ways I will say it served as a pretty good foil to the other characters in the show(especially Marty).
But I will say that Marty's character actually annoyed me because he was much more true to life.
A hyper masculine, misogynistic asshole whose life is miserable but who lacks the self-awareness to realize that most of the shitty things about his life are self-inflicted.
Man...I've met so many people like that in real life that it just bugs the crap out of me.
But I will say the characters only really worked because they were together.
Anyway, as someone just starting True Detective, Marty seems pretty ok but I can see something else there as well. Some of his reactions to things are questionable, and a little scary too. That look when Rust decides to stay for dinner is something else. The way he holds his jaw. It's an incredibly well affected portrayal of barely repressed anger.
As far as Rust goes, I don't know from the masculine part yet but right from the start the story is screaming at you that he's got a shitty life and no one should want to be him unless they're the kind of asinine person who thinks that "I don't sleep, I dream," is a super deep thing to say.
Sure thing, buddy
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I kinda like him as Haymitch in the Hunger Games!
also I totally almost went YES HE WAS IN REIGN OF FIRE AND I LOVED THAT MOVIE and promptly recalled that no, that is not Woody, that's Matt
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I would say that Rust's masculinity is moreso presented through his apathy.
Taking that scene you mentioned and Marty in general. When in stressful situations, Marty tends to have a much more human response. Sure that response is usually anger but given his personality type that isn't surprising.
Rust on the other hand has usually has a cooler, almost noir-esque reaction to stress and violence. Like his character is rarely if ever not in control even if his character is obviously mentally unstable.
Violent outburst and apathy/lack of empathy as power are both sides of violent masculinity.
The show wasn't aware he was a reprehensible shitheel, Pizzolatto wrote him as a human being with flaws who goes through triumphs and failures. The "detective's curse" monologue is pretty much the only scene I need to point to to show how much empathy the show has for that character.