I know 2e and 3/3.5 best and all of them are completely and utterly broken and only work if everyone is in good faith about not breaking it too much.
There are a billion way to subvert the rules.
Many spells are badly written, painful when used alone but combine horrifically.
Even without it, the game scales horribly. You basically can't protect against save or die optimalisation on app your saves, nor can you get enough ac to protect against damage getting out of control (mostly via sneak or charge )
Only wizards get magical outs, so they always win. And then the quickest wizard wins.
So initiative wins.
If you have approx. 3000 pages of rules, end up with a completelist broken mess, force the DM to salvage it and proclaim rules don't matter something has gone horribly wrong.
I mentioned this in [chat] before, but I heard a story that when 3rd Edition was being playtested, one player defied the traditional wizard roll of being a blaster and built one dedicated to utility spells to render himself untouchable and load up on save-or-lose spells. As minmaxxing nerds might have predicted, he mopped up all comers.
And Wizards' reaction to this data was "Well, people won't play like that."
How naive.
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our son's cat just knocked over the box of Christmas ornaments that hadn't gotten up into the attic yet
huge explosion of ornaments and cardboard all over the dining room, scared the shit out me...now he's playing with them, he seems quite proud of himself *sigh*
God damn Star Wars, you can't just have a character named "Princess Leia" and then have her come from a non-monarchical background. There's no King, no Queen, no line of succession. It's just a diplomatic title? Boo!
She's princess of the Rebels. Mon Mothma is queen of the Rebels.
Monopoly is a terrible game designed by Nazis to teach children despair and it is impossible that anyone in the history of time has actually had fun playing it, though.
I did this.
I swear to god I found a way to make the game sorta fun while not actually changing any rules.
Quid everyone knows you are a pathological liar.
There were four or five of us and we all knew that the game well enough we could knew what would happen if anyone got a hold of three properties. So haggling and trying to trade led nowhere.
Then I got the idea to offer another player my property in exchange for free travel on it and half the profit. Next thing you know everyone is doing this, money was flowing back and forth fast and in larger amounts, and just about everyone had alliances with everyone else based on some controlled property somewhere on the board.
All the land got developed, everyone had lots of money, and we eventually just decided we'd all won once we realized we'd created a sort of unending profit loop.
We'd turned monopoly in to a community owned system that discouraged competition and promoted helping each other and it was awesome.
Monopoly is a terrible game designed by Nazis to teach children despair and it is impossible that anyone in the history of time has actually had fun playing it, though.
I did this.
I swear to god I found a way to make the game sorta fun while not actually changing any rules.
Quid everyone knows you are a pathological liar.
There were four or five of us and we all knew that the game well enough we could knew what would happen if anyone got a hold of three properties. So haggling and trying to trade led nowhere.
Then I got the idea to offer another player my property in exchange for free travel on it and half the profit. Next thing you know everyone is doing this, money was flowing back and forth fast and in larger amounts, and just about everyone had alliances with everyone else based on some controlled property somewhere on the board.
All the land got developed, everyone had lots of money, and we eventually just decided we'd all won once we realized we'd created a continuing loop.
We'd turned monopoly in to a community owned system that discouraged competition and promoted helping each other and it was awesome.
our son's cat just knocked over the box of Christmas ornaments that hadn't gotten up into the attic yet
huge explosion of ornaments and cardboard all over the dining room, scared the shit out me...now he's playing with them, he seems quite proud of himself *sigh*
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oh and before people think i'm this grognard or whatever my motto is, "play anything, run what you want."
I ran 10 years of 3rd edition. Never fucking again. If someone else wants to be GM tho, I'll totally sit down and have fun with it. Otherwise, let me tell you about a game designer named Luke Crane. . .
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I'm still bitterly dissapoint that the best edition of D&D is the only one to not have any computer games based on it due to licence shenanigans
Even though it is not my favorite edition it is by far the best suited to a computer game
It's so well-written from a technical perspective that it's almost code already!
I remember trying to write just a character creator program for 2nd ed in the early 90s. That was such a huge pain. Just look at the section of the 2nd ed PHB about ability scores. ffffffffffffffff
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ideally the princess wants the d so much that she's willing to throw away the royal life in favor of a simple, incredibly wealthy aristocratic life on one of the lesser estates instead
BS, obviously getting it from the princess means you get to be King next.
You CKII people back me up on this.
No, getting it from a princess means you got invited to my kingdom, and then were forced into a matrilineal marriage, and then locked in a tower to make babies, just in case any other heirs die. Should the other heirs inherit, that is where you will remain your entire life, and your children will face similar fates if they inherit their mother's claim on the throne. Should the claims not be inherited, the children will be awarded duchies, and counties to get a relationship bonus for being in the Family.
our son's cat just knocked over the box of Christmas ornaments that hadn't gotten up into the attic yet
huge explosion of ornaments and cardboard all over the dining room, scared the shit out me...now he's playing with them, he seems quite proud of himself *sigh*
God damn Star Wars, you can't just have a character named "Princess Leia" and then have her come from a non-monarchical background. There's no King, no Queen, no line of succession. It's just a diplomatic title? Boo!
She's princess of the Rebels. Mon Mothma is queen of the Rebels.
I also house ruled no drow because Christ on a bike I was not going to DM some tedious tragic drow who is actually good but misunderstood bullshit. Also a hate crime.
oh and before people think i'm this grognard or whatever my motto is, "play anything, run what you want."
I ran 10 years of 3rd edition. Never fucking again. If someone else wants to be GM tho, I'll totally sit down and have fun with it. Otherwise, let me tell you about a game designer named Luke Crane. . .
3rd was terrible tho
worst edition by far
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Monopoly is a terrible game designed by Nazis to teach children despair and it is impossible that anyone in the history of time has actually had fun playing it, though.
I did this.
I swear to god I found a way to make the game sorta fun while not actually changing any rules.
Quid everyone knows you are a pathological liar.
There were four or five of us and we all knew that the game well enough we could knew what would happen if anyone got a hold of three properties. So haggling and trying to trade led nowhere.
Then I got the idea to offer another player my property in exchange for free travel on it and half the profit. Next thing you know everyone is doing this, money was flowing back and forth fast and in larger amounts, and just about everyone had alliances with everyone else based on some controlled property somewhere on the board.
All the land got developed, everyone had lots of money, and we eventually just decided we'd all won once we realized we'd created a continuing loop.
We'd turned monopoly in to a community owned system that discouraged competition and promoted helping each other and it was awesome.
You're terrible at monopoly.
My best game of all time was when I took advantage of my inebriated mother, offering her convoluted deals involving free passes on my properties, which she promptly forgot about. Hotel management collected the full fare from her.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm still bitterly dissapoint that the best edition of D&D is the only one to not have any computer games based on it due to licence shenanigans
Even though it is not my favorite edition it is by far the best suited to a computer game
It's so well-written from a technical perspective that it's almost code already!
Which edition are you referring to?
4th. "Atari" (actually Infogrames who bought the name Atari) had a long term licence for D&D computer games and just sat on it for the entire 4th ed run due to all their other troubles
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@simonwolf I just mentioned Tenra Bansho Zero which is practically the same as bat signalling you.
ideally the princess wants the d so much that she's willing to throw away the royal life in favor of a simple, incredibly wealthy aristocratic life on one of the lesser estates instead
BS, obviously getting it from the princess means you get to be King next.
You CKII people back me up on this.
No, getting it from a princess means you got invited to my kingdom, and then were forced into a matrilineal marriage, and then locked in a tower to make babies, just in case any other heirs die. Should the other heirs inherit, that is where you will remain your entire life, and your children will face similar fates if they inherit their mother's claim on the throne. Should the claims not be inherited, the children will be awarded duchies, and counties to get a relationship bonus for being in the Family.
"Locked in a tower to make babies"
I can deal with this
(It'd probably take like a few years to devolve into a hellish nightmare at least)
ideally the princess wants the d so much that she's willing to throw away the royal life in favor of a simple, incredibly wealthy aristocratic life on one of the lesser estates instead
BS, obviously getting it from the princess means you get to be King next.
You CKII people back me up on this.
No, getting it from a princess means you got invited to my kingdom, and then were forced into a matrilineal marriage, and then locked in a tower to make babies, just in case any other heirs die. Should the other heirs inherit, that is where you will remain your entire life, and your children will face similar fates if they inherit their mother's claim on the throne. Should the claims not be inherited, the children will be awarded duchies, and counties to get a relationship bonus for being in the Family.
"Locked in a tower to make babies"
I can deal with this
(It'd probably take like a few years to devolve into a hellish nightmare at least)
even Ulysses got tired of it eventually man
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I also house ruled no drow because Christ on a bike I was not going to DM some tedious tragic drow who is actually good but misunderstood bullshit. Also a hate crime.
I ran an evil game in Menzoberranzan where all the party members were mercenaries working for Jarlaxle in Breagan D'earthe.
That was a pretty fun game. Bunch of dudes who were badasses in their own right but were operating behind the scenes while society as a whole was under the spiked heel of an oppressive matriarchy that got its power from a chaotic spider god who rewarded those who did awful things and got away with it.
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Fuck, I have to burn my 8 carry over vacation days by 4/1
Okay, let me take care of that by putting in my PAX days...
Oh...I already did that. Still have 8.
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If you're not doing a gruff Scottish accent and pounding the table to play a dwarf then you're not really playing D&D
Ignore that section of the DMG about different styles of play, that's obviously political correctness gone mad
also they often dual wield snakes
v sexy
I will be on the 17th, and I'll be there until the 20th.
I mentioned this in [chat] before, but I heard a story that when 3rd Edition was being playtested, one player defied the traditional wizard roll of being a blaster and built one dedicated to utility spells to render himself untouchable and load up on save-or-lose spells. As minmaxxing nerds might have predicted, he mopped up all comers.
And Wizards' reaction to this data was "Well, people won't play like that."
How naive.
It's February.
The cat was in the right here.
problem located
they're barely even people, those improv kids
Welcome to my pain.
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
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damn right they do
https://peripluscd.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/minoan-snake_goddess-2nd-millenium-bce.jpg
i also cut them and any references to them out of all my dragonlance novels
Even though it is not my favorite edition it is by far the best suited to a computer game
It's so well-written from a technical perspective that it's almost code already!
Your whole deal is just boning the Queen.
There were four or five of us and we all knew that the game well enough we could knew what would happen if anyone got a hold of three properties. So haggling and trying to trade led nowhere.
Then I got the idea to offer another player my property in exchange for free travel on it and half the profit. Next thing you know everyone is doing this, money was flowing back and forth fast and in larger amounts, and just about everyone had alliances with everyone else based on some controlled property somewhere on the board.
All the land got developed, everyone had lots of money, and we eventually just decided we'd all won once we realized we'd created a sort of unending profit loop.
We'd turned monopoly in to a community owned system that discouraged competition and promoted helping each other and it was awesome.
Hater's gonna ooo look something in my pocket!
YOU PINKO BASTARDS
why do you think I batsignaled spool?
#smugwife
I ran 10 years of 3rd edition. Never fucking again. If someone else wants to be GM tho, I'll totally sit down and have fun with it. Otherwise, let me tell you about a game designer named Luke Crane. . .
You'd think I would have played that game. My gaming group are pretty much all anime fans. But we never played an anime themed game.
I remember trying to write just a character creator program for 2nd ed in the early 90s. That was such a huge pain. Just look at the section of the 2nd ed PHB about ability scores. ffffffffffffffff
No, getting it from a princess means you got invited to my kingdom, and then were forced into a matrilineal marriage, and then locked in a tower to make babies, just in case any other heirs die. Should the other heirs inherit, that is where you will remain your entire life, and your children will face similar fates if they inherit their mother's claim on the throne. Should the claims not be inherited, the children will be awarded duchies, and counties to get a relationship bonus for being in the Family.
YOU DONT KNOW MY STRUGGLE
At least there's no fucking bees in the attic.
*hug*
Pretty sure that ain't a coincidence. What could have been...
Which edition are you referring to?
4th.
The MMO of D&D.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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This is how war crimes start
3rd was terrible tho
worst edition by far
I believe the game you want to look for is called Tenra Bansho Zero.
Bees are why I will never go in to another volcano.
You're terrible at monopoly.
My best game of all time was when I took advantage of my inebriated mother, offering her convoluted deals involving free passes on my properties, which she promptly forgot about. Hotel management collected the full fare from her.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
4th. "Atari" (actually Infogrames who bought the name Atari) had a long term licence for D&D computer games and just sat on it for the entire 4th ed run due to all their other troubles
"Locked in a tower to make babies"
I can deal with this
(It'd probably take like a few years to devolve into a hellish nightmare at least)
even Ulysses got tired of it eventually man
I ran an evil game in Menzoberranzan where all the party members were mercenaries working for Jarlaxle in Breagan D'earthe.
That was a pretty fun game. Bunch of dudes who were badasses in their own right but were operating behind the scenes while society as a whole was under the spiked heel of an oppressive matriarchy that got its power from a chaotic spider god who rewarded those who did awful things and got away with it.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Fuck, I have to burn my 8 carry over vacation days by 4/1
Okay, let me take care of that by putting in my PAX days...
Oh...I already did that. Still have 8.