[SOTU] Mic Drop Heard 'Round the World

jungleroomx

Where: Probably every damn channel, [edit] also streaming from whitehouse.gov to your computers and computer phones!
When: 9 p.m. EST
What: The penultimate State of the Union address by President Barack Obama

What do you think he will discuss outside of the spoilers? How do you think the people will react? How do you think the opposition will react?

How much fun is the Tea Party's official response going to be?

Tonight we find out all of these things and so much more. With the new Congress in session, has Obama simply run out of fucks to give?

RESPONSE VIDEO STREAMS:

The Seattle Socialist party's response will be seen here http://seattlechannel.org/event-live

The Tea Party's response will be seen here http://www.teapartyexpress.org/

Shadowfire

That image is the American Newsest SotU image.

Shadowfire

Also, where can I stream this? I'd like to watch and comment with you all.

jungleroomx

Shadowfire wrote: »

That image is the American Newsest SotU image.

I try to be on the newsiest cutting edge.

I had to trim out the RED ALERT and BREAKING NEWS banners, though, so I apologize for that.

Aioua

Shadowfire wrote: »

Also, where can I stream this? I'd like to watch and comment with you all.

whitehouse.gov

jungleroomx

Aioua wrote: »

Shadowfire wrote: »

Also, where can I stream this? I'd like to watch and comment with you all.

whitehouse.gov

Added to OP.

Fencingsax

I will be at work, so I depend on you guys!

Phyphor

Prediction: the state of the union is "strong"

enlightenedbum

Only thing we know about is a middle class tax cut funded by a rich people tax hike. Though there are some interesting guests, the most interesting of which is the Columbia student who is carrying around her mattress as a performance art project until her rapist is expelled. Though I'm guessing she'll give up the mattress for the evening. That would be a kind of remarkable image though.

Polaritie

Phyphor wrote: »

Prediction: the state of the union is "strong"

"Invincible".

I dare the GOP to disagree.

enlightenedbum

Oh lord, Joni Ernst is giving the official GOP response. We knew this. The Tea Party response (because Joni is not radical enough, I guess?) is being given by Rep. Curt Crawley (Florida, where else?) who was the guy who thought a couple Indian-Americans working at State and Commerce must have been from India and treated them that way during a Congressional hearing.

Amazing.

spool32

I have never watched a SotU response speech, from either party. It just seems crass.

Muddypaws

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

override367

the SOTU is extra pointless this year!

spool32

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

AngelHedgie

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Oh lord, Joni Ernst is giving the official GOP response. We knew this. The Tea Party response (because Joni is not radical enough, I guess?) is being given by Rep. Curt Crawley (Florida, where else?) who was the guy who thought a couple Indian-Americans working at State and Commerce must have been from India and treated them that way during a Congressional hearing.

Amazing.

Oh, it gets better:

The GOP has also announced it will be offering a Spanish-language rebuttal, which will be delivered tonight by freshman Florida Rep. Carlos Curbelo, a young conservative from a diverse Miami congressional district. But there's a wrinkle. According to a press release from the House Republicans, Curbelo will not be sharing his own thoughts and words with the public. Instead, he will only be reading a Spanish translation of Ernst's speech. Curbelo's office confirmed that he will not be delivering his own remarks. By the way, Ernst has endorsed English as a national language and once sued Iowa's secretary of state for offering voting forms in languages other than English. Her office did not respond to requests for comment. Curbelo has broken with his own party on immigration to support a path to citizenship for undocumented residents. Ernst has repeatedly expressed opposition to "amnesty."

Remind me: what is Spanish for "fuck you", again?

V1m

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

enlightenedbum

Charlie Pierce puts on his speechwriting hat again. This time for the President and not Mitt Romney (though I'm guessing that comes sometime this week):

"Mr. Speaker, Mr. Majority Leader, thank you for inviting me here tonight to discuss the state of our union. The state of our union is strong, and it's all because of me, motherfkers, and no thanks to your sorry, wrinkled white asses. I did everything I could do to pull the economy out of the shallow grave your deregulatory frenzy and the two-term nitwit who preceded me dug for it. You stood there like squeaking eunuchs and blocked everything you could, and a narrow slice of the electorate gave you virtually unprecedented control over the entire national legislature. I don't care. Your party has sold its soul and lost its mind. I'm not going anywhere. So I'm'a gonna do what I goddamn well please, because the state of our union is strong, motherfkers, and it's all because of me. Nice to see you all again, though."

spool32

It seems like members of the same party can have disagreements on policy, but still unify under a message in this speech.

hedgie are you saying that Curbelo objects to things that are in the speech he's reading? Or is this just Mother Jones taking an opportunity to be snarky and attack the GOP?

Such a disgusting publication. You lower yourself by reading it.

spool32

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

AManFromEarth

I have no desire to watch this. His big policy points leaked out days ago so unless he announces him and joe biden are getting gay married i'm not sure what's gonna be worth anything other than the BBC article tomorrow morning

probably watch some episodes of friends instead

enlightenedbum

AManFromEarth wrote: »

I have no desire to watch this. His big policy points leaked out days ago so unless he announces him and joe biden are getting gay married i'm not sure what's gonna be worth anything other than the BBC article tomorrow morning

probably watch some episodes of friends instead

I'll probably watch, but I'll be flipping to the Wings game during applause.

override367

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

well you and I know that economics doesn't work that way

but as far as politics go, the Democrats have been utterly stupid in not taking credit for the economic recovery

distancing themselves from Obama and doing their best to not talk about anything in the last election was a disastrous move

AngelHedgie

spool32 wrote: »

It seems like members of the same party can have disagreements on policy, but still unify under a message in this speech.

hedgie are you saying that Curbelo objects to things that are in the speech he's reading? Or is this just Mother Jones taking an opportunity to be snarky and attack the GOP?

Such a disgusting publication. You lower yourself by reading it.

Let me highlight the point you missed:

By the way, Ernst has endorsed English as a national language and once sued Iowa's secretary of state for offering voting forms in languages other than English. Her office did not respond to requests for comment. Curbelo has broken with his own party on immigration to support a path to citizenship for undocumented residents. Ernst has repeatedly expressed opposition to "amnesty.

Having the Spanish language response be nothing more than the recital of Ernst's response is a massive slap in the face to the Latino community.

Muddypaws

At least they won't have him in a 'Taco Tuesday!' style outfit while delivering the speech. Small steps.

V1m

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

Well I don't know, where would you draw the dividing line?

Phillishere

override367 wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

well you and I know that economics doesn't work that way

but as far as politics go, the Democrats have been utterly stupid in not taking credit for the economic recovery

distancing themselves from Obama and doing their best to not talk about anything in the last election was a disastrous move

The reason Democrats haven't embraced the economic recovery is that a rather massive number of voters haven't shared the gains of said recovery. Carville's an ass, but I think he's 100 percent correct that any attempt by the Democratic Party to run on the strength of this economy is going to end up with the Republicans building a campaign on how the party is nothing but "out of touch DC liberals."

I think Obama is smart to try to pivot on the issue of how the gains in the economy have not been shared with his tax proposal. But that's a tricky message to play when trying to court disaffected, struggling voters without alienating the big money interests who pretty much bankroll both parties these days.

SyphonBlue

AngelHedgie wrote: »

Oh, it gets better:

The GOP has also announced it will be offering a Spanish-language rebuttal, which will be delivered tonight by freshman Florida Rep. Carlos Curbelo, a young conservative from a diverse Miami congressional district. But there's a wrinkle. According to a press release from the House Republicans, Curbelo will not be sharing his own thoughts and words with the public. Instead, he will only be reading a Spanish translation of Ernst's speech. Curbelo's office confirmed that he will not be delivering his own remarks. By the way, Ernst has endorsed English as a national language and once sued Iowa's secretary of state for offering voting forms in languages other than English. Her office did not respond to requests for comment. Curbelo has broken with his own party on immigration to support a path to citizenship for undocumented residents. Ernst has repeatedly expressed opposition to "amnesty."

Remind me: what is Spanish for "fuck you", again?

ahahahahahahahahaha

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

SyphonBlue

Phillishere wrote: »

override367 wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

well you and I know that economics doesn't work that way

but as far as politics go, the Democrats have been utterly stupid in not taking credit for the economic recovery

distancing themselves from Obama and doing their best to not talk about anything in the last election was a disastrous move

The reason Democrats haven't embraced the economic recovery is that a rather massive number of voters haven't shared the gains of said recovery. Carville's an ass, but I think he's 100 percent correct that any attempt by the Democratic Party to run on the strength of this economy is going to end up with the Republicans building a campaign on how the party is nothing but "out of touch DC liberals."

I think Obama is smart to try to pivot on the issue of how the gains in the economy have not been shared with his tax proposal. But that's a tricky message to play when trying to court disaffected, struggling voters without alienating the big money interests who pretty much bankroll both parties these days.

"Hey, we've helped the economy get back up, but it isn't quite there yet, and we still have more to do for a lot of people."

There. You just took credit and said that we need to do more.

override367

Phillishere wrote: »

override367 wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

well you and I know that economics doesn't work that way

but as far as politics go, the Democrats have been utterly stupid in not taking credit for the economic recovery

distancing themselves from Obama and doing their best to not talk about anything in the last election was a disastrous move

The reason Democrats haven't embraced the economic recovery is that a rather massive number of voters haven't shared the gains of said recovery. Carville's an ass, but I think he's 100 percent correct that any attempt by the Democratic Party to run on the strength of this economy is going to end up with the Republicans building a campaign on how the party is nothing but "out of touch DC liberals."

I think Obama is smart to try to pivot on the issue of how the gains in the economy have not been shared with his tax proposal. But that's a tricky message to play when trying to court disaffected, struggling voters without alienating the big money interests who pretty much bankroll both parties these days.

I disagree, because the people who have been disenfranchised by the economy didn't vote anyway or were already republican voters

you lose nothing

So I find fault with the entire idea of "rather massive number of voters haven't shared in the gains of said recovery". Unemployed people don't really vote unless they're politically engaged individuals

spool32

AngelHedgie wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

It seems like members of the same party can have disagreements on policy, but still unify under a message in this speech.

hedgie are you saying that Curbelo objects to things that are in the speech he's reading? Or is this just Mother Jones taking an opportunity to be snarky and attack the GOP?

Such a disgusting publication. You lower yourself by reading it.

Let me highlight the point you missed:

By the way, Ernst has endorsed English as a national language and once sued Iowa's secretary of state for offering voting forms in languages other than English. Her office did not respond to requests for comment. Curbelo has broken with his own party on immigration to support a path to citizenship for undocumented residents. Ernst has repeatedly expressed opposition to "amnesty.

Having the Spanish language response be nothing more than the recital of Ernst's response is a massive slap in the face to the Latino community.

because the Latino (Hispanic? Chicano? careful now...) community can't hear a speech in Spanish unless it's written by a person with the right opinions (according to you) about issues important to them even when they aren't part of the speech being read.


Why is it a slap in the face to the community instead of a sick bomb dropped on Ernst by the GOP establishment? She hates Spanish language stuff and we're having a colleague read her speech in Spanish!

Why? Because "GOP hates Latinos" is an important political angle to press, and Mother Jones actively hates and attacks Republicans whether or not there's a good reason to.



Naah, this is just some partisan screeching you dropped in the thread, written by a publication designed to screech about partisan things and dedicated to not much else.

spool32

I mean, there's a photo from back in the day of an Obama speechwriter grabbing the boob of a cardboard cutout of Hillary. I guess that means Democrats hate women?

Please.

spool32

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

V1m wrote: »

spool32 wrote: »

Muddypaws wrote: »

My guess as to the response is that it's Obamas fault. Whatever 'it' is.

One highlight will be seeing the Democrats wheel in unison to give credit to the President for the supposed economic recovery we are having.


As opposed to back when things were bad, and the economy was the GOP Congress's fault.

If the economy wasn't Obama's doing after he'd been in office for 7 months, why would it be his doing after he'd been in office for 7 years?

Because economists say it's better now, so he did it obviously.

In year 5 it was all the fault of Republicans screwing things up. I guess they stopped doing that?

I don't know, it's all so confusing.

Well I don't know, where would you draw the dividing line?

Between the Legislative and Executive branches, like I usually do.

enlightenedbum

The insult is that it's a token gesture to give the speech in Spanish, but it's nothing more than that because substantively they're putting a person extremely hostile to Spanish speaking Americans in the spotlight.

It's the problem the GOP makes continually with the voters they're losing. Blacks/Hispanics/women/young people don't actually care about policy, they just think the Democrats are more (insert arbitrary quality here). (And yes, you can flip this and talk about What's the Matter with Kansas if you want)

TheBlackWind

Yeah, the message has always been that the economy was coming around but the GOP was stifling it, at least from the White House. Not sure it'll mark a new path if he continues with that, especially if he announces new ideas to help middle/lower class like he is expected to.

TheBlackWind

Biden Arrives Early to Set Up SOTU Fog Machine

SyphonBlue

enlightenedbum wrote: »

The insult is that it's a token gesture to give the speech in Spanish, but it's nothing more than that because substantively they're putting a person extremely hostile to Spanish speaking Americans in the spotlight.

It's the problem the GOP makes continually with the voters they're losing. Blacks/Hispanics/women/young people don't actually care about policy, they just think the Democrats are more (insert arbitrary quality here). (And yes, you can flip this and talk about What's the Matter with Kansas if you want)

He's not even giving his own speech, he's being given the speech as translated by someone who hates immigrants, and being forced to read it.

AngelHedgie

enlightenedbum wrote: »

The insult is that it's a token gesture to give the speech in Spanish, but it's nothing more than that because substantively they're putting a person extremely hostile to Spanish speaking Americans in the spotlight.

It's the problem the GOP makes continually with the voters they're losing. Blacks/Hispanics/women/young people don't actually care about policy, they just think the Democrats are more (insert arbitrary quality here). (And yes, you can flip this and talk about What's the Matter with Kansas if you want)

Ernst is a xenophobic nativist who ran on policies attacking the Latino community. Having a Latino GOP Representative (who, by the way, does not actually agree with her stances regarding immigration and has broken ranks with the party on this issue) read her response verbatim is basically saying "we think that you are all idiots who only care that we have someone who can speak your language."

I'm pretty sure that's an insult - in any language.

Absalon

Well apparently the GOP reads the despicable, gauche and downright partisan Mother Jones.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/gop-changes-tune-spanish-language-sotu-address

I can still fetch some smelling salts and a new monocle if anyone in the thread dropped theirs while huffing.

jungleroomx

spool32 wrote: »

I mean, there's a photo from back in the day of an Obama speechwriter grabbing the boob of a cardboard cutout of Hillary. I guess that means Democrats hate women?

Please.

It's not quite the same thing.

By any standard you wish to put out there, Joni Ernst is a horrible fucking person.

So It Goes

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Only thing we know about is a middle class tax cut funded by a rich people tax hike. Though there are some interesting guests, the most interesting of which is the Columbia student who is carrying around her mattress as a performance art project until her rapist is expelled. Though I'm guessing she'll give up the mattress for the evening. That would be a kind of remarkable image though.

do you have a link for this @enlightenedbum‌ ? I have some people I'd like to forward it to