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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited December 2007
    This is unaccpetable.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Alright, I'm convinced. The politicians I thought were serious politicians are Fleas on the Beast. Ron Paul will put the Beast on a diet. Or possibly tame it. The metaphor isn't clear, but that's not the point. The point is that before I didn't see the light, but this woman who doesn't blink and her terrible metaphor have made me see the light. I'm buying liberty dollars as we speak and registering to vote in the Republican primary.
    That's a teacher? I was thinking more like student; more like special ed student.
    I weep for her students.
    I'm telling you, one of the biggest reasons I gave up the dream of teaching was the prospect of having to work with other teachers.
    I gave up on my dream of teaching because apparently my instructional methods are too "inappropriate, unorthodox, and pornographic for a normal classroom."

    Douchebags.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited December 2007
    I seriously thought about education, but no monies.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    Alright, I'm convinced. The politicians I thought were serious politicians are Fleas on the Beast. Ron Paul will put the Beast on a diet. Or possibly tame it. The metaphor isn't clear, but that's not the point. The point is that before I didn't see the light, but this woman who doesn't blink and her terrible metaphor have made me see the light. I'm buying liberty dollars as we speak and registering to vote in the Republican primary.
    That's a teacher? I was thinking more like student; more like special ed student.
    I weep for her students.
    I'm telling you, one of the biggest reasons I gave up the dream of teaching was the prospect of having to work with other teachers.
    This is pretty much the only reason I'm not a cop. Well, having to work with other cops; having to work with teachers would suck, too, though.

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    They throw money at you to become a teacher in the UK but then you're essentially stuck with the same crappy wage for the rest of your career. I wouldn't really class Academia as being a teacher, lecturing is only ever a very small part of what you're being paid to do or in some cases, simply not a part. It depends on the complicated relationships that exist between the university as the funding bodies.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.
    Yeah, that was another strike against it. Terrifically demanding work with very little reward. If I'm going to bust my ass, I'd at least like to get paid a little bit like that was the case.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.
    Not to mention it's one of the jobs that requires the most amount of training. That would probably have been strike #3. I mean how horseshit is it when you go to school for 5 years and are making less money than some retail managers without a single college credit to their name? It's really horseshit, is what it is.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Is that how Ron Paul and his supporters appear to you guys? That's... not how I sound... right?

    [EDIT]: This question does assume prior, thorough and intimate conceptual knowledge of all my posts. So I hope you did your homework!

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

    America is about getting the most you can from someone for the least possible pay. The kinds of people that take jobs as civic servants are the kinds of people that are willing to make sacrifices in terms of standard of living, and politicians have obviously been quick to take advantage of that.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.
    Not to mention it's one of the jobs that requires the most amount of training. That would probably have been strike #3. I mean how horseshit is it when you go to school for 5 years and are making less money than some retail managers without a single college credit to their name? It's really horseshit, is what it is.
    Irony, you are so cruel
    Irony, you make me laugh
    Irony, we are your fool
    Line B's rhyme is giraffe

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

    America is about getting the most you can from someone for the least possible pay. The kinds of people that take jobs as civic servants are the kinds of people that are willing to make sacrifices in terms of standard of living, and politicians have obviously been quick to take advantage of that.
    My dad's a judge and he's not doing to shabbily, last I checked. Same goes for a lot of civic-type jobs. Teachers just get the royal screw compared to others.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Is that how Ron Paul and his supporters appear to you guys? That's... not how I sound... right?

    [EDIT]: This question does assume prior, thorough and intimate conceptual knowledge of all my posts. So I hope you did your homework!
    If you support Ron Paul, you sound silly. Sorry. Maybe not that silly, but silly all the same.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Is that how Ron Paul and his supporters appear to you guys? That's... not how I sound... right?

    [EDIT]: This question does assume prior, thorough and intimate conceptual knowledge of all my posts. So I hope you did your homework!
    If you support Ron Paul, you sound silly. Sorry. Maybe not that silly, but silly all the same.

    I find it difficult to look at him with the same zeal I used to feel after, uh... what's the word... learning.

    But, comparatively, except maybe Obama.

    But, there are crazies for ever school of thought, right? Chomsky's criticism, for instance of Pauls private business protection and private contracts about allowing a poor man to commit himself to slavery... I thought it was fairly simple to conclude this wouldn't be allowed on basic moral and constitutional grounds. It very essentially violates freedom.

    I hardly think my ideas are crazy, but maybe I'm not seeing things how they really are?

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

    America is about getting the most you can from someone for the least possible pay. The kinds of people that take jobs as civic servants are the kinds of people that are willing to make sacrifices in terms of standard of living, and politicians have obviously been quick to take advantage of that.
    My dad's a judge and he's not doing to shabbily, last I checked. Same goes for a lot of civic-type jobs. Teachers just get the royal screw compared to others.

    I don't know how it works here, but justices can be pretty influential in Russia. If it's anything like that here, then I would imagine that has something to do with it. Not that I would know anything about it, mind you. Mainly I've heard that law enforcement, educators, and rescue servicemen get the full fist.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fall Xbox Live update allows for creating public groups to augment your friends list? God bless them, and who is going to do the dirty work of creating a D&D one?

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

    America is about getting the most you can from someone for the least possible pay. The kinds of people that take jobs as civic servants are the kinds of people that are willing to make sacrifices in terms of standard of living, and politicians have obviously been quick to take advantage of that.
    My dad's a judge and he's not doing to shabbily, last I checked. Same goes for a lot of civic-type jobs. Teachers just get the royal screw compared to others.
    Working for Washington State sucks ten kinds of ass.

    And your dad could be making way more money right now doing private practice.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Church wrote: »
    I don't know how it works here, but justices can be pretty influential in Russia. If it's anything like that here, then I would imagine that has something to do with it. Not that I would know anything about it, mind you. Mainly I've heard that law enforcement, educators, and rescue servicemen get the full fist.
    In Russia, or here?

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Is that how Ron Paul and his supporters appear to you guys? That's... not how I sound... right?

    [EDIT]: This question does assume prior, thorough and intimate conceptual knowledge of all my posts. So I hope you did your homework!
    If you support Ron Paul, you sound silly. Sorry. Maybe not that silly, but silly all the same.

    I find it difficult to look at him with the same zeal I used to feel after, uh... what's the word... learning.

    But, comparatively, except maybe Obama.

    But, there are crazies for ever school of thought, right? Chomsky's criticism, for instance of Pauls private business protection and private contracts about allowing a poor man to commit himself to slavery... I thought it was fairly simple to conclude this wouldn't be allowed on basic moral and constitutional grounds. It very essentially violates freedom.

    I hardly think my ideas are crazy, but maybe I'm not seeing things how they really are?
    Any super civil libertarians give me the heebie jeebies, and anyone who dogmatically believes that anything the government can do, private business can do better can eat a dick.

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    I don't know how it works here, but justices can be pretty influential in Russia. If it's anything like that here, then I would imagine that has something to do with it. Not that I would know anything about it, mind you. Mainly I've heard that law enforcement, educators, and rescue servicemen get the full fist.
    In Russia, or here?

    Both. I know they do in the Caucasus. Then again, almost everyone gets fucked over by someone in the Caucasus.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mostly I think it's merely romantic sorts of thoughts that keep me attached. Recognizing this, of course, is a complete loss of innocence, and it'd be impossible to ever go back to fully supporting Paul, or at all...

    But so many of his ideas were good on paper, regardless of implicit fallacies, and falsely based assumptions.

    And his immigration policy.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Also teaching pays very poorly unless you're a college professor with a Ph.D or two in a particularly desirable field of study.

    I hear they're paid well enough in at least part of Europe.
    Here in Amurikuh teachers have some of the worst paying/shitty jobs on the market. They also have one of the most fundamentally important jobs in existence. The irony never fails to amuse/disappoint me.

    America is about getting the most you can from someone for the least possible pay. The kinds of people that take jobs as civic servants are the kinds of people that are willing to make sacrifices in terms of standard of living, and politicians have obviously been quick to take advantage of that.
    My dad's a judge and he's not doing to shabbily, last I checked. Same goes for a lot of civic-type jobs. Teachers just get the royal screw compared to others.
    Working for Washington State sucks ten kinds of ass.

    And your dad could be making way more money right now doing private practice.
    Working for the state is actually pretty good, as far as he's concerned. He never has to worry about getting fired, and the only time he has to fret for his job is during an election cycle (this will be his 16th year unchallenged, knock on wood).

    Besides which he didn't really like private practice all that much. Not everyone is in it for the money. :P

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mostly I think it's merely romantic sorts of thoughts that keep me attached. Recognizing this, of course, is a complete loss of innocence, and it'd be impossible to ever go back to fully supporting Paul, or at all...

    But so many of his ideas were good on paper, regardless of implicit fallacies, and falsely based assumptions.

    And his immigration policy.
    I used to hate the rich, too...

    No wait--

    I still hate the rich.

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mostly I think it's merely romantic sorts of thoughts that keep me attached. Recognizing this, of course, is a complete loss of innocence, and it'd be impossible to ever go back to fully supporting Paul, or at all...

    But so many of his ideas were good on paper, regardless of implicit fallacies, and falsely based assumptions.

    And his immigration policy.

    Activism through politics is a futile cause, and politicians are a broken band of problem-solvers. The only way to help people is to do it yourself.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Any super civil libertarians give me the heebie jeebies, and anyone who dogmatically believes that anything the government can do, private business can do better can eat a dick.

    And see, I never really understood the hatred against libertarianism until I read this one Onion article about the man reluctantly calling the fire department. Yeah, that sort of thought is retarded, I wholly agree. And that sort of character is an asshole.

    It's sort of like... I can't think of a good example. Where the young libertarian realizes he's been following the wrong path?

    I'm still working it all out.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Working for Washington State sucks ten kinds of ass.

    And your dad could be making way more money right now doing private practice.
    Working for the state is actually pretty good, as far as he's concerned. He never has to worry about getting fired, and the only time he has to fret for his job is during an election cycle (this will be his 16th year unchallenged, knock on wood).

    Besides which he didn't really like private practice all that much. Not everyone is in it for the money. :P
    Yeah, working as a judge is a little different than 95% of the jobs for the state, though. And yeah, I realize he's not in it for the money, because if he were in it for the money, he'd be working 120-hour weeks, and not be a judge. :P

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mostly I think it's merely romantic sorts of thoughts that keep me attached. Recognizing this, of course, is a complete loss of innocence, and it'd be impossible to ever go back to fully supporting Paul, or at all...

    But so many of his ideas were good on paper, regardless of implicit fallacies, and falsely based assumptions.

    And his immigration policy.
    Isn't that what Libertarians always say about Communism? "Oh, it's a great idea, in theory, but it falls apart in real life?"

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It turns out nothing works in real life. The real thing is never what you think it will be.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Mostly I think it's merely romantic sorts of thoughts that keep me attached. Recognizing this, of course, is a complete loss of innocence, and it'd be impossible to ever go back to fully supporting Paul, or at all...

    But so many of his ideas were good on paper, regardless of implicit fallacies, and falsely based assumptions.

    And his immigration policy.
    Isn't that what Libertarians always say about Communism? "Oh, it's a great idea, in theory, but it falls apart in real life?"
    That's what everybody besides communists say about communism, actually. It's a pretty tired cliche that -- yes -- is painfully selectively applied.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Working for Washington State sucks ten kinds of ass.

    And your dad could be making way more money right now doing private practice.
    Working for the state is actually pretty good, as far as he's concerned. He never has to worry about getting fired, and the only time he has to fret for his job is during an election cycle (this will be his 16th year unchallenged, knock on wood).

    Besides which he didn't really like private practice all that much. Not everyone is in it for the money. :P
    Yeah, working as a judge is a little different than 95% of the jobs for the state, though. And yeah, I realize he's not in it for the money, because if he were in it for the money, he'd be working 120-hour weeks, and not be a judge. :P
    Also he gets called "Your Honor," every day at work. If that's not an incredible job perk, I just don't know what is.

    It's probably also worth mentioning that as an employee of both Washington state and Pierce county he gets coverage under the State Employee's Medical Coverage Plan and the Pierce County Employee's Medical Coverage Plan. Dual medicinity FTW.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Church wrote: »
    It turns out nothing works in real life. The real thing is never what you think it will be.
    This is what I learned in 4 years of Political Science and Economics courses.

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Maybe I'm a libertarian who doesn't froth at the mouth and get all beady-eyed at the idea of government run and funded social programs? I don't harbor this illogical fear and hatred of subsidies and federal departments?

    I don't know what my keenness of the word is...

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    It turns out nothing works in real life. The real thing is never what you think it will be.
    This is what I learned in 4 years of Political Science and Economics courses.
    The basic rule of thumb is this: if it looks good on paper, it will almost certainly be a massive clusterfuck mess in real life.

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    MrBallbagginsMrBallbaggins Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just found the Encyclopedia Dramatica, and it his hilarious to find people you knew from old forums doing stupid shit and getting caught.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Maybe I'm a libertarian who doesn't froth at the mouth and get all beady-eyed at the idea of government run and funded social programs? I don't harbor this illogical fear and hatred of subsidies and federal departments?

    I don't know what my keenness of the word is...
    You should hate subsidies, because they're awful, horrible things that run counter to just about every other goal the federal government attempts to attain.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The government should subsidize my cock.

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Maybe I'm a libertarian who doesn't froth at the mouth and get all beady-eyed at the idea of government run and funded social programs? I don't harbor this illogical fear and hatred of subsidies and federal departments?

    I don't know what my keenness of the word is...
    Yeah but what you're describing isn't libertarianism at all. Libertarians are pretty much solely built upon the premise that government power should be reduced whenever possible and entrusted instead to "the people." That's a stupid plan, no matter how you slice it.

    If you realize that, then you're not a libertarian. It's okay to not fall into an easily classifiable category. Just don't be one of those dipshits who is overly proud of their "moderate" stance, because really those people usually just don't know enough to hold an informed opinion one way or the other.

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    ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thinatos wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    It turns out nothing works in real life. The real thing is never what you think it will be.
    This is what I learned in 4 years of Political Science and Economics courses.
    The basic rule of thumb is this: it will almost certainly be a massive clusterfuck mess in real life.

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