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Daredevil: The Thread Without Fear

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    DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hensler wrote: »
    It's things like this which keep me buying floppies. I really want to switch to buying just trades and omni's for all my ongoing series, but I don't want to get bits and pieces. I want every issue of the books I read. Marvel's getting better about it, but it's still not complete.

    You have to take it easy on Marvel. Pretty soon they will being owned by a very powerful rat.

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hensler wrote: »
    It's things like this which keep me buying floppies. I really want to switch to buying just trades and omni's for all my ongoing series, but I don't want to get bits and pieces. I want every issue of the books I read. Marvel's getting better about it, but it's still not complete.

    You have to take it easy on Marvel. Pretty soon they will being owned by a very powerful rat.

    If that giant rat gives me a complete digital archive or a better trade system, I'll be happy.

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    DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    You never know what a giant rat will do.

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    AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    please stop with your disney conspiracy bullshit.

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    DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Who is DareDevil's best nemesis?

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Who is DareDevil's best nemesis?

    Gladiator.

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    H*RH*R Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    From what i've read, i'd say the obvious choice would be The Kingpin.

    Question about the the Devil in Cell Block D story arc:
    Ok, so maybe this is more of a Punisher question, but when Punisher got himself thrown into Rykers to see Matt's breakdown, he says "I wanted to see what it would take to turn you into me". Then he seems to say something to the affect of "You're not me, you don't want to be me". Isn't Punisher proud of who he is or what he does? He seemed to kill that pimp with no remorse to get into Rykers.

    Great book by the way, the Foggy swerve had me literally gasp, twice.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Frank accepts that he does the dirty work that other heroes won't do. And with Matt it's always been a "justice in the courtroom first" type of thing with him. If he goes and becomes like Frank, there's no checks and balances.

    Of all the other heroes, there is more history with Frank and Matt and their whole punishing the bad schtick. Garth Ennis, in writing his Punisher stuff, always made DD seem the most competent foil, compared to writing Wolverine as a joke or Spider-Man as an idiot.

    In the Welcome Back Frank story, Punisher and DD fight as Frank is trying to kill some mob boss, and Frank beats DD unconscious, but then tapes DD's hand on the trigger of a gun that would shoot Frank if he felt that Frank was more of a problem than the mob boss was (someone who kills the bad without hesitation or trial, or someone who poisons society and harms the innocent), and DD pulls the trigger. It wasn't loaded of course, but that's where Matt places his belief in the system.

    It's no longer a "you're crazy/you're a pussy" argument between the two.

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    H*RH*R Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Very interesting, thanks for the explanation.

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    DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    H*R wrote: »
    From what i've read, i'd say the obvious choice would be The Kingpin.

    Question about the the Devil in Cell Block D story arc:
    Ok, so maybe this is more of a Punisher question, but when Punisher got himself thrown into Rykers to see Matt's breakdown, he says "I wanted to see what it would take to turn you into me". Then he seems to say something to the affect of "You're not me, you don't want to be me". Isn't Punisher proud of who he is or what he does? He seemed to kill that pimp with no remorse to get into Rykers.

    Great book by the way, the Foggy swerve had me literally gasp, twice.

    Kingpin is more of a pot arc bad guy. I hire thugs to do this or break into that.

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    H*RH*R Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't know. They are both intellegent people that view the world in very different ways. One wants to defend the week and fights for justice and one wants control, power and money. They butt heads intellectually and physically.

    Even though the Kingpin has thugs, he can and has cracked skulls on his own many times. He's no slouch.

    Some may say Bullseye, but he's almost more of a wild animal than a nemesis. That may just be what i precieve the word nemesis to mean.

    DD and Kingpin have a Batman\Joker type of relationship, IMO.

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    H*RH*R Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Anyone know if the first Diggle trade will collect Daredevil: The List? I'm going only for trades from this point out and this is an issue i wanted to know if i should get the single or if it will actually be collected in a DD trade and not a Dark Reign trade.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It probably will. It directly ties into the rest of the story. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Marvel sucks for putting that issue outside of the regular numbered continuity, since it totally fills the gap between Bru and Dig.

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    DoctorstrongbadDoctorstrongbad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Looking forward to the next issue. I wonder what the next surprise will be?

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I know it's only been 3 issues, but I'm liking Diggle's Daredevil better than Brubaker's so far. It's a fantastic book - definitely in Marvel's top 5. The past issue was fantastic.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I like it, but it sort of irritates me that Elektra still hasn't shown up. She used to run the Hand before she was taken, she would have some interest in it I would think. She hasn't been seen since her amazing Dark Reign miniseries, I think.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Meh.

    Elektra sucks. The book is better off without her in it.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    You've got brain problems!

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Meh.

    Elektra sucks. The book is better off without her in it.

    I agree. Elektra had her moment with Miller, and was supposed to be the part of Matt's past that he can let go of, the person he went through hell to redeem (the way Miller intended before she was brought back in the 90's).

    Black Widow > Karen Page > Typhoid Mary > Dakota > Glory > Milla > everyone else

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    man, i like black widow way more as bucky's love interest than matt's. for me it would go

    milla>dakota>karen page>elektra>everyone else

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Why is Elektra so low?

    I don't really like Karen Page myself. She just seems like the generic love interest every hero has.

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    karen page is up there because she was probably matt's second-biggest failure in terms of romantic relationships. you're right that she kind of tended to be the most generic of any of his love interests (aside from the whole junkie-hooker-porn-star thing) but she really fucked his life up a few different times anyway.

    milla is just my favorite, plus i love the way what happened to her just spun out of control for matt. dakota, i think she'd actually make for the best long-term partner for matt. elektra is only lower in comparison to the other girls, who i just plain like more. she's fine but her heyday was a long time ago.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I do agree that Elektra is best as a permanent ex-girlfriend at this point.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I wasn't even advocating she come back and be in any part of a relationship, I just mean that she was committed to the Hand and now Matt is, so I think she'd have some interest.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I was just making a tangential comment. Not everything is about you, Faynor.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    (no, my secret!!!)

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    i've lost track of how many times she's been really with the hand and how many times she's been secretly pretending to be with the hand while actually working for shield or being a skrull or whatever.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    She was legitimately with the Hand before she was captured and replaced, I'm pretty sure.

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    but then earlier in "enemy of the state" she wasn't really with the hand, she was just kidding

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I guess I don't see how her affiliations in Enemy of the State have to do with her loyalty later when she was legitimately leading the Hand. I still think it would be a matter of interest to her.

    And also, question:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Daredevil meets up with Elektra, the Black Widow, and the new White Tiger in front of the building that holds the "Murdock Papers" (the evidence Kingpin was talking about). They intended to retrieve the papers before the FBI could get there, but were suddenly attacked by Bullseye. Daredevil and Elektra fought the villain and, after a lengthy and bloody battle, won. However, Daredevil was suddenly shot by Paladin (who was working for FBI operatives) and was left bleeding profusely in Elektra's arms. Elektra then takes Matt to the Night Nurse, but insists that The Hand should cure him. Black Widow appears and objects. While Elektra and Black Widow fight, The Hand heals Matt Murdock.

    Why did Elektra insist this, and was there any fallout?

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    well, i'm just saying she flip-flops all the damn time and i can't keep straight when she's legit with the hand and when she's fakin the funk. either way, it doesn't totally matter because it makes the hand look like a bunch of idiots. she keeps publicly betraying them and helping various heroes beat hell out of them, but they keep on asking her back. it's like they're dating elektra and they just keep thinking that this time it'll be different! she only hits us because we make her! come back, baby, we love you!

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I'll admit I don't know the character extrely intimately, but if I'm reading Wikipedia right, she betrayed them once and then led them once! Ain't no thang, Servo. You a joke!

    And the leading them legit came later, so!

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    ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    well, i guess both hydra and the hand have a tendency to try and make leaders of people who have mowed them down by the countless thousands anyway, so

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    In the Fall From Grace story where Matt sported the DD armor, the bad part of Elektra (the part Matt wiped away from her in Miller's last DD stories of his run) was resurrected to run the Hand. And then the pure bald Elektra came down from the mountain (lol meta), killed her, and then absorbed all her evil parts again.

    And then she had a series where Mike Deodato was the artist and she became Wolverine's sidekick.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Antony Johnston to co write DD with Andy Diggle

    Diggle's turning out to not be very timely it seems, with his T-bolts, DR Hawkeye, and now DD.

    I've never read anything by Johnston though.

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    The Wolverine manga was decent and I can see his style working well with Diggle's. As a writer, I don't really have much sympathy for comic scripters who can't deliver on a monthly schedule, but I'd rather see them bring a new talent on board to help out rather than delay what has so far been an excellent Daredevil run.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    It seems like a common problem that almost every big writer has. All of them are trying to take on too many projects at once. You can see it in Fraction's work. You can see it in Johns' work. You could see it in Morrison's work a few months ago, and probably will again when more of his projects start coming out. It seems like writers are taking on more books than they can write. If each would trim one or two books per month, the quality in their others would probably go way up. And they'd be able to make deadlines.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Can an aspiring writer who just went exclusive turn down work though? I'm not too clear on how that works. Writing comics is a job for these guys. Turning down work would certainly have ramifications, financial or otherwise. Most comic writers probably don't make very much money.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Can an aspiring writer who just went exclusive turn down work though? I'm not too clear on how that works. Writing comics is a job for these guys. Turning down work would certainly have ramifications, financial or otherwise. Most comic writers probably don't make very much money.

    Depends on their contract. Jason Aaron has to do at least two books according to his exclusive, which is why.

    And with the money concern, BKV says he made more writing comics than for Lost.

    For the most part, I've seen roughly $2,000-3,000 per issue for a writer at the big 2, and bigger names on bigger titles usually make more (Bendis probably makes 4k each). And on top of that the royalties for books when they go to trade.

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