Especially when it means we always fucking lose and nothing ever fucking changes, so the same damn thing can happen several months later. But have fun there on your immobile high horse.
Democrats must be cautious and respectful about suggesting that when someone shoots several people, including a federal judge and a member of Congress, and has deranged rants on youtube and paper, maybe we should think about doing something about mental health care in this country. Republicans take a couple of days off, then immediately scream that we should speak just as we have been, and the bitch deserved it, and shame on those Democrats for exploiting this tragedy.
What would really have helped in this case? Should he have been involuntarily commited, did he just need more help available to him, what?
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While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
Especially when it means we always fucking lose and nothing ever fucking changes, so the same damn thing can happen several months later. But have fun there on your immobile high horse.
Especially when it means we always fucking lose and nothing ever fucking changes, so the same damn thing can happen several months later. But have fun there on your immobile high horse.
Neither of these are true.
Really? So we haven't had several shootings inspired by right-wing ideologues in the past few years? Something has been done about the root causes of those deaths? News to me.
I'd be willing to bet that a moderately-sized, and very vocal, portion of Americans would stand up and throw a fucking shit-fit if you try to take away anything that has to do with guns. Extended magazines included.
Extended magazines were already banned under the (admittedly flawed) assault weapons ban.
Nobody outside of the NRA and their sockpuppets threw a fucking shit-fit.
Dick Motherfucking Cheney has recently gone on record saying that a ban on extended magazines makes sense.
Of course, with the GOP in control of the house, no gun control legislation at all will ever become law unless it weakens gun control even further.
Especially when it means we always fucking lose and nothing ever fucking changes, so the same damn thing can happen several months later. But have fun there on your immobile high horse.
Neither of these are true.
Really? So we haven't had several shootings inspired by right-wing ideologues in the past few years? Something has been done about the root causes of those deaths? News to me.
I'm assuming by thing you mean national policy and by always lose you mean elections?
Especially when it means we always fucking lose and nothing ever fucking changes, so the same damn thing can happen several months later. But have fun there on your immobile high horse.
Neither of these are true.
Really? So we haven't had several shootings inspired by right-wing ideologues in the past few years? Something has been done about the root causes of those deaths? News to me.
I'm assuming by thing you mean national policy and by always lose you mean elections?
Gun control and mental health care in this case, infrastructure spending in Minnesota. Liberals suggest that we should fix something, and conservatives trumpet that this is the greatest nation on Earth and we don't need to fix anything ever, merely implying that something is wrong is treasonous.
You're not getting a magazine restriction through this House anyway. Republicans lost the ability to be reasonable on gun control somewhere around the 2000 elections.
Gun control in this case, infrastructure spending in Minnesota. Liberals suggest that we should fix something, and conservatives trumpet that this is the greatest nation on Earth and we don't need to fix anything ever, merely implying that something is wrong is treasonous.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
Gun control in this case, infrastructure spending in Minnesota. Liberals suggest that we should fix something, and conservatives trumpet that this is the greatest nation on Earth and we don't need to fix anything ever, merely implying that something is wrong is treasonous.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
Gun control in this case, infrastructure spending in Minnesota. Liberals suggest that we should fix something, and conservatives trumpet that this is the greatest nation on Earth and we don't need to fix anything ever, merely implying that something is wrong is treasonous.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
I'd be willing to bet that a moderately-sized, and very vocal, portion of Americans would stand up and throw a fucking shit-fit if you try to take away anything that has to do with guns. Extended magazines included.
Extended magazines were already banned under the (admittedly flawed) assault weapons ban.
Nobody outside of the NRA and their sockpuppets threw a fucking shit-fit.
Dick Motherfucking Cheney has recently gone on record saying that a ban on extended magazines makes sense.
Of course, with the GOP in control of the house, no gun control legislation at all will ever become law unless it weakens gun control even further.
Is this the same Cheney that voted against banning things such as plastic guns? I didn't think he had received his heart transplant yet...
Gun control in this case, infrastructure spending in Minnesota. Liberals suggest that we should fix something, and conservatives trumpet that this is the greatest nation on Earth and we don't need to fix anything ever, merely implying that something is wrong is treasonous.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
Then name something where we won.
DADT
Healthcare
Stimulus
Saving GM
Financial regulation
Extending unemployment benefits
Drawdown in Iraq
START treaty
Fair Pay Act
Student Loan reform
Reduction of disparity between crack and powder cocaine sentencing
9/11 healthcare
Civilian trial of Terrorists
How is that similar to the collapsed bridge or Tucson?
Then name something where we won.
So you decided to ignore the previous context of the discussion. Gotcha.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
We were talking about tragedies where people were killed, Democrats tried to fix what went wrong, conservatives ARGLBARGLed about everything being fine, and Democrats were not able to fix anything. So please name something where the last part went differently, because apparently I need to hold your hand to make sure you don't forget what you said ten minutes ago.
How is that similar to the collapsed bridge or Tucson?
Then name something where we won.
So you decided to ignore the previous context of the discussion. Gotcha.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
We were talking about tragedies where people were killed, Democrats tried to fix what went wrong, conservatives ARGLBARGLed about everything being fine, and Democrats were not able to fix anything. So please name something where the last part went differently, because apparently I need to hold your hand to make sure you don't forget what you said ten minutes ago.
Is health care reform narrow enough to fit your mold?
And gun control isn't going to stop random acts of violence.
How is that similar to the collapsed bridge or Tucson?
Then name something where we won.
So you decided to ignore the previous context of the discussion. Gotcha.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
We were talking about tragedies where people were killed, Democrats tried to fix what went wrong, conservatives ARGLBARGLed about everything being fine, and Democrats were not able to fix anything. So please name something where the last part went differently, because apparently I need to hold your hand to make sure you don't forget what you said ten minutes ago.
Is health care reform narrow enough to fit your mold?
No, because it's not like what happened in Tucson or Minnesota at all.
How is that similar to the collapsed bridge or Tucson?
Then name something where we won.
So you decided to ignore the previous context of the discussion. Gotcha.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
We were talking about tragedies where people were killed, Democrats tried to fix what went wrong, conservatives ARGLBARGLed about everything being fine, and Democrats were not able to fix anything. So please name something where the last part went differently, because apparently I need to hold your hand to make sure you don't forget what you said ten minutes ago.
Is health care reform narrow enough to fit your mold?
No, because it's not like what happened in Tucson or Minnesota at all.
Its shame the GOP has such a lock on reactionary politics. And things like the Minnesota bridge collapse are what are driving the current efforts to expand infrastructure spending.
This is the exact same reason we're all pissed off about TSA.
Yup. I don't mind reasonable screening of course, metal detectors or what have you but its gotten overboard as a result of reactionary policy decisions.
I think one of the democrats strongest features is their lack of support for reactionary measures compared to the GOP.
It's certainly the easiest way. Last I checked, making dangerous things less accessible for mentally ill people was a good thing, not a "Meh, he'll just get it somewhere, why bother?".
A mentally ill young man with no technical expertise is not constructing a viable bomb. At least not on with a reasonable chance of exploding when he wants it to.
A mentally ill young man with a knife gets a couple of people before the rest scatter.
The amount of damage he did can be traced straight back to the tools he had access to.
It's certainly the easiest way. Last I checked, making dangerous things less accessible for mentally ill people was a good thing, not a "Meh, he'll just get it somewhere, why bother?".
One wonders whether Jared had a driver's license.
Or perhaps a credit card and the ability to walk to a store and buy chemicals.
You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.
Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
A seriously unbalanced man who didn't get the treatment he needed caused this.
But really, all you're saying is the GOP is better at reactionary law making. I'm ok with this. We get plenty of good things done, things that solve or alleviate real problems, not feel good legislation that may or may not do something about nationally prominent event X
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What would really have helped in this case? Should he have been involuntarily commited, did he just need more help available to him, what?
Neither of these are true.
Really? So we haven't had several shootings inspired by right-wing ideologues in the past few years? Something has been done about the root causes of those deaths? News to me.
Extended magazines were already banned under the (admittedly flawed) assault weapons ban.
Nobody outside of the NRA and their sockpuppets threw a fucking shit-fit.
Dick Motherfucking Cheney has recently gone on record saying that a ban on extended magazines makes sense.
Of course, with the GOP in control of the house, no gun control legislation at all will ever become law unless it weakens gun control even further.
I'm assuming by thing you mean national policy and by always lose you mean elections?
Because this simply isn't the case.
Actually, no, I don't mean either of those.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
Then name something where we won.
DADT
Is this the same Cheney that voted against banning things such as plastic guns? I didn't think he had received his heart transplant yet...
Healthcare
Stimulus
Saving GM
Financial regulation
Extending unemployment benefits
Drawdown in Iraq
START treaty
Fair Pay Act
Student Loan reform
Reduction of disparity between crack and powder cocaine sentencing
9/11 healthcare
Civilian trial of Terrorists
We win all the time, its just D&D is a massive fucking gloom generator that sees doom written on every wall.
I think this is because its dark and dank in mother's basement.
Our defeats are unending.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
Is health care reform narrow enough to fit your mold?
And gun control isn't going to stop random acts of violence.
It will ameliorate them.
Its shame the GOP has such a lock on reactionary politics. And things like the Minnesota bridge collapse are what are driving the current efforts to expand infrastructure spending.
Maybe, maybe not.
If Loughner had not been able to get a gun, he would not have shot twenty people. Is that really a controversial statement?
No, the bridge collapse and things like it are what are fueling it. Sorry it wasn't fast enough for you.
Sure he might not have, but the guy after him who wanted to kill people might make a bomb, or modify another gun or etc. etc. etc.
Reactionary policy decisions are bad.
This is the exact same reason we're all pissed off about TSA.
Yup. I don't mind reasonable screening of course, metal detectors or what have you but its gotten overboard as a result of reactionary policy decisions.
I think one of the democrats strongest features is their lack of support for reactionary measures compared to the GOP.
Is buying a gun from an authorized vendor the only way to injure or kill people milling around in a crowd?
This is no less shitty when democrats do it than when the GOP does it.
A mentally ill young man with a knife gets a couple of people before the rest scatter.
The amount of damage he did can be traced straight back to the tools he had access to.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
One wonders whether Jared had a driver's license.
Or perhaps a credit card and the ability to walk to a store and buy chemicals.
And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
I guy having a schizophrenic episode drove a car into the first floor of a house two towns over from me about three months ago.
Does that count?
Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
A seriously unbalanced man who didn't get the treatment he needed caused this.
But really, all you're saying is the GOP is better at reactionary law making. I'm ok with this. We get plenty of good things done, things that solve or alleviate real problems, not feel good legislation that may or may not do something about nationally prominent event X