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State of the Union thread - Tuesday (January 25th) at 9 PM
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What would really have helped in this case? Should he have been involuntarily commited, did he just need more help available to him, what?
Neither of these are true.
Really? So we haven't had several shootings inspired by right-wing ideologues in the past few years? Something has been done about the root causes of those deaths? News to me.
Extended magazines were already banned under the (admittedly flawed) assault weapons ban.
Nobody outside of the NRA and their sockpuppets threw a fucking shit-fit.
Dick Motherfucking Cheney has recently gone on record saying that a ban on extended magazines makes sense.
Of course, with the GOP in control of the house, no gun control legislation at all will ever become law unless it weakens gun control even further.
I'm assuming by thing you mean national policy and by always lose you mean elections?
Because this simply isn't the case.
Actually, no, I don't mean either of those.
GT: batshido Hit me up on ME3.
Well of course we always lose and nothing changes when you only include issues we lost on.
Then name something where we won.
DADT
Is this the same Cheney that voted against banning things such as plastic guns? I didn't think he had received his heart transplant yet...
Healthcare
Stimulus
Saving GM
Financial regulation
Extending unemployment benefits
Drawdown in Iraq
START treaty
Fair Pay Act
Student Loan reform
Reduction of disparity between crack and powder cocaine sentencing
9/11 healthcare
Civilian trial of Terrorists
We win all the time, its just D&D is a massive fucking gloom generator that sees doom written on every wall.
I think this is because its dark and dank in mother's basement.
Our defeats are unending.
By all means clarify which hoops I should jump through.
Is health care reform narrow enough to fit your mold?
And gun control isn't going to stop random acts of violence.
It will ameliorate them.
Its shame the GOP has such a lock on reactionary politics. And things like the Minnesota bridge collapse are what are driving the current efforts to expand infrastructure spending.
Maybe, maybe not.
If Loughner had not been able to get a gun, he would not have shot twenty people. Is that really a controversial statement?
No, the bridge collapse and things like it are what are fueling it. Sorry it wasn't fast enough for you.
Sure he might not have, but the guy after him who wanted to kill people might make a bomb, or modify another gun or etc. etc. etc.
Reactionary policy decisions are bad.
This is the exact same reason we're all pissed off about TSA.
Yup. I don't mind reasonable screening of course, metal detectors or what have you but its gotten overboard as a result of reactionary policy decisions.
I think one of the democrats strongest features is their lack of support for reactionary measures compared to the GOP.
Is buying a gun from an authorized vendor the only way to injure or kill people milling around in a crowd?
This is no less shitty when democrats do it than when the GOP does it.
A mentally ill young man with a knife gets a couple of people before the rest scatter.
The amount of damage he did can be traced straight back to the tools he had access to.
GT: batshido Hit me up on ME3.
One wonders whether Jared had a driver's license.
Or perhaps a credit card and the ability to walk to a store and buy chemicals.
And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.
GT: batshido Hit me up on ME3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
I guy having a schizophrenic episode drove a car into the first floor of a house two towns over from me about three months ago.
Does that count?
Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
A seriously unbalanced man who didn't get the treatment he needed caused this.
But really, all you're saying is the GOP is better at reactionary law making. I'm ok with this. We get plenty of good things done, things that solve or alleviate real problems, not feel good legislation that may or may not do something about nationally prominent event X