I'm going to give it a try in the spirit of fairness, but my gut reaction is that Game Grumps is Jon and Arin. Take away either, and it ceases to be Game Grumps.
My favorite musical instrument is the air-raid siren.
I'm willing to give the new guy a chance. I always thought that having Jon and Arin on the same show brought out the worst of both guys. Plus, that Punchout video reminded me of Continue? in all the right ways.
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Steam Train: Nifty idea to give other potential hosts more exposure/broaden demographic appeal.
Replacing Jon: Sad, but necessary change that may end up improving one or both channels.
Both in the same day: Incredibly abrupt and awkward transition.
Change can be good, but you can't do too much at once.
Edit: And confusing. Too much change can also be very very confusing.
See I don't get this. I don't get this at all. like, it's not what they're doing, but because they're doing it together? And somehow, because they added a thing AND Jon is leaving, that makes it bad and you need to unsub? But if they'd done one and then the other later it would have been fine?
I dunno, the most jarring thing about this to me is what seems to me like a massive overreaction from the fans. And like yeah okay Jon is leaving and that upsets people I get it, but somehow because Jon leaving Steam Train is some terrible thing and everyone is acting like them adding a new thing is somehow bad or crazy and I just don't get that at all.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
I guess I am back down to just watching Continue? show.
The internet is stuffed with videos of people playing video games. This steam train nonsense doesn't endear me to continue watching.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
I mean
It's just a YouTube channel guys. Some big changes but nothing scary enough to run and hide in a corner clinging to a blankie after clicking unsubscribe. Sheesh.
To me, it's not whether Steam Train is good or bad. It's that they're trying to make Game Grumps some kind of brand, rather than two specific people. I can certainly see why they would try to do that, especially with Jon deciding to leave, but it just feels a bit forced.
As for making both changes at once, they're probably trying to rip the bandage off and get all of the blowback out of the way at once, but I definitely think it would have been better to stagger the changes a bit.
I mean
It's just a YouTube channel guys. Some big changes but nothing scary enough to run and hide in a corner clinging to a blankie after clicking unsubscribe. Sheesh.
Yes, people expressing opinions about a thing in a thread about that thing. How terrible.
the voices for the disembodied murder hobo and the chicken guy cracked me up
frankly, I stopped watching (except tuning in to see the end of sonic 06 now and then) because arin and jon were starting to piss me off with the incredibly stupid things they'd say, and I didn't really care about a lot of the games they were playing because they didn't even care.
Steam Train: Nifty idea to give other potential hosts more exposure/broaden demographic appeal.
Replacing Jon: Sad, but necessary change that may end up improving one or both channels.
Both in the same day: Incredibly abrupt and awkward transition.
Change can be good, but you can't do too much at once.
Edit: And confusing. Too much change can also be very very confusing.
See I don't get this. I don't get this at all. like, it's not what they're doing, but because they're doing it together? And somehow, because they added a thing AND Jon is leaving, that makes it bad and you need to unsub? But if they'd done one and then the other later it would have been fine?
I dunno, the most jarring thing about this to me is what seems to me like a massive overreaction from the fans. And like yeah okay Jon is leaving and that upsets people I get it, but somehow because Jon leaving Steam Train is some terrible thing and everyone is acting like them adding a new thing is somehow bad or crazy and I just don't get that at all.
If I may make an incredibly nerdy anecdote: In the 1990's longtime Green Lantern Hal Jordan was replaced by Kyle Rayner. Fan reactions weren't positive, partly because the event that necessitated Hal's replacement involved him turning evil and similar, but also because we have a tendency to be hostile towards replacements. DC attempts to handle this were, to be charitable, unsubtle, involving the likes of Superman and Batman talking about how great Kyle was, which fans didn't like either.
Nerdery complete, I can see a similar reaction going on here: Replacing Jon was always going to be a difficult sell, but doing that while simultaneously giving him another show on the same channel could invoke similar feelings of "they're trying too hard to make us accept him".
Does that make sense, or am I silly?
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
To me, it's not whether Steam Train is good or bad. It's that they're trying to make Game Grumps some kind of brand, rather than two specific people. I can certainly see why they would try to do that, especially with Jon deciding to leave, but it just feels a bit forced.
As for making both changes at once, they're probably trying to rip the bandage off and get all of the blowback out of the way at once, but I definitely think it would have been better to stagger the changes a bit.
I mean
It's just a YouTube channel guys. Some big changes but nothing scary enough to run and hide in a corner clinging to a blankie after clicking unsubscribe. Sheesh.
Yes, people expressing opinions about a thing in a thread about that thing. How terrible.
I just don't get the whole 'too much change unsubscribe all the things' reaction.
Like, dude. Calm it down, give it a day, revisit. Is that really too much to ask or what? Has arin, Barry, and jon not earned at least that or is the crowd that fickle?
.... The internet is stuffed with videos of people playing video games.
Yeah! Fuck internet videos of people playing video games!
*look at sig*
....wait
I think you misunderstand me. It just means that I feel like I can be choosy. If I don't want to watch new Grumps because it's not as entertaining ... there's still a million other videos I can look at. A million other streamers. A million other let's plays.
Steam Train: Nifty idea to give other potential hosts more exposure/broaden demographic appeal.
Replacing Jon: Sad, but necessary change that may end up improving one or both channels.
Both in the same day: Incredibly abrupt and awkward transition.
Change can be good, but you can't do too much at once.
Edit: And confusing. Too much change can also be very very confusing.
See I don't get this. I don't get this at all. like, it's not what they're doing, but because they're doing it together? And somehow, because they added a thing AND Jon is leaving, that makes it bad and you need to unsub? But if they'd done one and then the other later it would have been fine?
I dunno, the most jarring thing about this to me is what seems to me like a massive overreaction from the fans. And like yeah okay Jon is leaving and that upsets people I get it, but somehow because Jon leaving Steam Train is some terrible thing and everyone is acting like them adding a new thing is somehow bad or crazy and I just don't get that at all.
If I may make an incredibly nerdy anecdote: In the 1990's longtime Green Lantern Hal Jordan was replaced by Kyle Rayner. Fan reactions weren't positive, partly because the event that necessitated Hal's replacement involved him turning evil and similar, but also because we have a tendency to be hostile towards replacements. DC attempts to handle this were, to be charitable, unsubtle, involving the likes of Superman and Batman talking about how great Kyle was, which fans didn't like either.
Nerdery complete, I can see a similar reaction going on here: Replacing Jon was always going to be a difficult sell, but doing that while simultaneously giving him another show on the same channel could invoke similar feelings of "they're trying too hard to make us accept him".
Does that make sense, or am I silly?
I could see something like that, though I don't know if it represents the majority's reason for opposition. Even if it did, I would still think it's silly.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
Like, dude. Calm it down, give it a day, revisit. Is that really too much to ask or what? Has arin, Barry, and jon not earned at least that or is the crowd that fickle?
Yeah, a lot of people are definitely overreacting. I just don't think being all superior on the internet is much better.
For what it's worth, the Punch-Out episode was alright. I'll wait and see how the new guy works out.
I'll put it this way. I started watching Grumps for the interplay between Jon and Arin. They started to get tiresome a few months back, but of late I felt like the show was getting good again, and had been watching it regularly once more.
With that interplay gone, I don't have much of a compelling reason to keep watching.
Steam Train didn't do anything for me, but I thought Danny was okay in that Punch-Out video, so I'll give them a week or two to get things going. If it improves, I'll stick with it. If not? Well, I'll just unsubscribe and move on.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Did anyone notice the sub counter this morning? I feel like it's ticked down a lot already. Wanna say it was at 1,035,000 an hour ago.
I liked Danny in the Punch-Out episode. He was good at the game, knew what he was talking about, and didn't burst into random song or scream AAAARRRRIIIIN.
Heck, even when Arin made a mistake (on where King Hippo is from) he instantly remembered the truth and corrected himself.
They paid attention to the game and commented on it and had some funny jokes. All in all, an improvement to a lot of the recent stuff. Plus they still had some great stuff from Barry. I'd stopped watching every episode a while back and was only really watching now if the game looked interesting, but I'll probably give the Danny episodes a shot if this all isn't a fake-out.
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I wanna say it was close to 1,090,000 yesterday, but I don't remember.
I'm not unsubbing, but I'm really fucking confused/depressed. This went from a channel that I loved and want to watch everyday, to something I have a mild interest in. Danny is okay, he'll grow on me in time. I have zero interest in watching people I barely recognize play steam games. Mainly cause I have my own backlog of steam games to play.
Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
How did you feel about the Steam Train episode where they spent a solid 5 minutes doing incredibly grating "funny voices" and indeed getting lost and stuck?
I didn't watch the Steam Train episode because I haven't played Hotline Miami yet. I'll probably give them a shot once they have a bigger selection of videos, or maybe when they post their Castle Crashers one.
I did find it amusing that they have a blue background to go with the Grump's orange background since I think I remember Arin talking about those colors working well together in his Castlevania Sequelitis.
How did you feel about the Steam Train episode where they spent a solid 5 minutes doing incredibly grating "funny voices" and indeed getting lost and stuck?
The voices really bugged me. Everything else, I was ambivalent about, but man... no more of that.
I didn't watch the Steam Train episode because I haven't played Hotline Miami yet. I'll probably give them a shot once they have a bigger selection of videos, or maybe when they post their Castle Crashers one.
I did find it amusing that they have a blue background to go with the Grump's orange background since I think I remember Arin talking about those colors working well together in his Castlevania Sequelitis.
Yeah, orange and blue are complimentary colors. Back when I was painting 40k mini's, I had a blue and orange tau army that I loved the look of.
I had to give the steam train a chance because of Hotline miami being one of my favourite games, but god damn, that voice shit and the massively slowed down console controls. this isn't tenouttaten
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Shatterhand was turning into one of my favorite series'. Fuck.
How did you feel about the Steam Train episode where they spent a solid 5 minutes doing incredibly grating "funny voices" and indeed getting lost and stuck?
Liquid GhostDO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?!Registered Userregular
I'm not digging the new stuff, but it won't kill me to at least try and give it a shot as the days go by.
What I found strange about all of this is that one of the biggest complaints I came across was regarding Jon and Arin's personal projects suffering as a result of Game Grumps becoming such a big thing. There were always people bitching about how, for example, the JonTron Show had been placed on the back-burner in favor of something that seemed, at its surface, much easier to produce. "Lazy" is a word that came up often during this criticism.
Now we have Jon deciding to focus more on his own shit and suddenly it's the most horrible news ever. What? I understand that the fan base is large enough for there to be many groups of people with differing opinions, but there are subscribers on YouTube, Reddit, and elsewhere now completely contradicting themselves in a way that's almost surreal. To be fair, though, I imagine that they didn't expect Jon to just leave outright as opposed to focusing time on both projects. Unfortunately, that isn't the way life always works. If you're actually serious about something, you will want to channel as much time and energy as possible into accomplishing that goal. This means, in the end, that something else is inevitably going to have to be dropped in favor of what you actually want to be doing.
Of course, this doesn't really surprise me nor should it really surprise anyone. "People are fucking dumb on the internet" is not some kind of groundbreaking observation. It sucks, but this new direction is going to probably get ripped a new hole or two and the guys involved are already being relentlessly shit on just because. Many of the show's fans liked a very specific thing that involved a very specific chemistry and the majority of them really aren't going to be willing to stick with this and see where it goes. I don't blame them, though I do wish a lot of these Game Grumps "fans" would just cut the bullshit for once and quit attacking the new crew as if they were somehow a threat to humanity.
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So am I right in reading that just a few weeks ago we all hated how stupid they were and their lack of paying attention in general, but now we hate that Jon is gone for some other random fellow? I am not following what's going on anymore.
You know i'm cautiously optimistic at the future of grumps. I like Dan as the new grump, and from the one episode with Arin they seem to work well and I had a real good laugh with the punch out episode.
I'm happy that Jon is going to make more Jontron, as that show and his humour has really grown on me and I love it to bits, so i'm looking forward to new content from him.
Steam Train is two new hosts, I only know Ross and I enjoy his animation but they're both new and time will tell If i like how they work together. With only one episode out i'll reserve judgement.
Maybe it'll ultimately be a good thing, Like with Continue? losing Dom and bringing in josh, I'm sure there was unhappiness regarding it but ultimately it worked out.
Edit: super concerning to see only my post has Geth on it.
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I think a lot of the backlash is from the fact that you can never replace the chemistry Arin and Jon had. Dan might be hilarious but he will never be Jon, and as far as we know we'll never get the same style of humor from the show again. It might be called Game Grumps and it might be entertaining, but it's not the duo that I subscribed to and with a myriad of other LP's that can use some love. I see no reason to stick around when it isn't the same show I signed up for, (or subscribed to.)
I'm not saying the show is unwatchable or everyone unsubscribe right this second but I'm trying to explain why fans are leaving from a rational view and why I feel the need to let the show go.
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Yeah, exactly the reason I unsubbed.
Steam Train: Nifty idea to give other potential hosts more exposure/broaden demographic appeal.
Replacing Jon: Sad, but necessary change that may end up improving one or both channels.
Both in the same day: Incredibly abrupt and awkward transition.
Change can be good, but you can't do too much at once.
Edit: And confusing. Too much change can also be very very confusing.
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I... I don't know what the shit is going on anymore.
I'll give them a week to figure out what the fuck they're doing before I hit that Unsubscribe button.
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See I don't get this. I don't get this at all. like, it's not what they're doing, but because they're doing it together? And somehow, because they added a thing AND Jon is leaving, that makes it bad and you need to unsub? But if they'd done one and then the other later it would have been fine?
I dunno, the most jarring thing about this to me is what seems to me like a massive overreaction from the fans. And like yeah okay Jon is leaving and that upsets people I get it, but somehow because Jon leaving Steam Train is some terrible thing and everyone is acting like them adding a new thing is somehow bad or crazy and I just don't get that at all.
and ain't great
The internet is stuffed with videos of people playing video games. This steam train nonsense doesn't endear me to continue watching.
It's just a YouTube channel guys. Some big changes but nothing scary enough to run and hide in a corner clinging to a blankie after clicking unsubscribe. Sheesh.
As for making both changes at once, they're probably trying to rip the bandage off and get all of the blowback out of the way at once, but I definitely think it would have been better to stagger the changes a bit.
Yes, people expressing opinions about a thing in a thread about that thing. How terrible.
idk
seemed fine to me, as did the punch-out episode
the voices for the disembodied murder hobo and the chicken guy cracked me up
frankly, I stopped watching (except tuning in to see the end of sonic 06 now and then) because arin and jon were starting to piss me off with the incredibly stupid things they'd say, and I didn't really care about a lot of the games they were playing because they didn't even care.
Danny can't say next time on Game Grumps. That's Jon's thing. Way too soon dude.
Yeah! Fuck internet videos of people playing video games!
*look at sig*
....wait
If I may make an incredibly nerdy anecdote: In the 1990's longtime Green Lantern Hal Jordan was replaced by Kyle Rayner. Fan reactions weren't positive, partly because the event that necessitated Hal's replacement involved him turning evil and similar, but also because we have a tendency to be hostile towards replacements. DC attempts to handle this were, to be charitable, unsubtle, involving the likes of Superman and Batman talking about how great Kyle was, which fans didn't like either.
Nerdery complete, I can see a similar reaction going on here: Replacing Jon was always going to be a difficult sell, but doing that while simultaneously giving him another show on the same channel could invoke similar feelings of "they're trying too hard to make us accept him".
Does that make sense, or am I silly?
I just don't get the whole 'too much change unsubscribe all the things' reaction.
Like, dude. Calm it down, give it a day, revisit. Is that really too much to ask or what? Has arin, Barry, and jon not earned at least that or is the crowd that fickle?
I think you misunderstand me. It just means that I feel like I can be choosy. If I don't want to watch new Grumps because it's not as entertaining ... there's still a million other videos I can look at. A million other streamers. A million other let's plays.
I'll reflect on the good days
I could see something like that, though I don't know if it represents the majority's reason for opposition. Even if it did, I would still think it's silly.
Until then I can just not watch the videos that I don't want to watch. I do that already.
What even is this
This is terrible
Love is over
For what it's worth, the Punch-Out episode was alright. I'll wait and see how the new guy works out.
With that interplay gone, I don't have much of a compelling reason to keep watching.
Steam Train didn't do anything for me, but I thought Danny was okay in that Punch-Out video, so I'll give them a week or two to get things going. If it improves, I'll stick with it. If not? Well, I'll just unsubscribe and move on.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Heck, even when Arin made a mistake (on where King Hippo is from) he instantly remembered the truth and corrected himself.
They paid attention to the game and commented on it and had some funny jokes. All in all, an improvement to a lot of the recent stuff. Plus they still had some great stuff from Barry. I'd stopped watching every episode a while back and was only really watching now if the game looked interesting, but I'll probably give the Danny episodes a shot if this all isn't a fake-out.
I'm not unsubbing, but I'm really fucking confused/depressed. This went from a channel that I loved and want to watch everyday, to something I have a mild interest in. Danny is okay, he'll grow on me in time. I have zero interest in watching people I barely recognize play steam games. Mainly cause I have my own backlog of steam games to play.
All in all this just feels strange.
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I did find it amusing that they have a blue background to go with the Grump's orange background since I think I remember Arin talking about those colors working well together in his Castlevania Sequelitis.
The voices really bugged me. Everything else, I was ambivalent about, but man... no more of that.
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The tone of the Punchout video is just completely different. It's missing that awkward Jontron energy. He's too cool.
It's a shame, I really enjoyed the recent Chulip, Stretch Panic, Shatterhand and Star Wars videos.
Oh well. Unsubscribed.
Yeah, orange and blue are complimentary colors. Back when I was painting 40k mini's, I had a blue and orange tau army that I loved the look of.
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Although I think Dan shoots for way too low of a tone when singing the theme.
sounds like a typical game grumps episode?
What I found strange about all of this is that one of the biggest complaints I came across was regarding Jon and Arin's personal projects suffering as a result of Game Grumps becoming such a big thing. There were always people bitching about how, for example, the JonTron Show had been placed on the back-burner in favor of something that seemed, at its surface, much easier to produce. "Lazy" is a word that came up often during this criticism.
Now we have Jon deciding to focus more on his own shit and suddenly it's the most horrible news ever. What? I understand that the fan base is large enough for there to be many groups of people with differing opinions, but there are subscribers on YouTube, Reddit, and elsewhere now completely contradicting themselves in a way that's almost surreal. To be fair, though, I imagine that they didn't expect Jon to just leave outright as opposed to focusing time on both projects. Unfortunately, that isn't the way life always works. If you're actually serious about something, you will want to channel as much time and energy as possible into accomplishing that goal. This means, in the end, that something else is inevitably going to have to be dropped in favor of what you actually want to be doing.
Of course, this doesn't really surprise me nor should it really surprise anyone. "People are fucking dumb on the internet" is not some kind of groundbreaking observation. It sucks, but this new direction is going to probably get ripped a new hole or two and the guys involved are already being relentlessly shit on just because. Many of the show's fans liked a very specific thing that involved a very specific chemistry and the majority of them really aren't going to be willing to stick with this and see where it goes. I don't blame them, though I do wish a lot of these Game Grumps "fans" would just cut the bullshit for once and quit attacking the new crew as if they were somehow a threat to humanity.
I'm happy that Jon is going to make more Jontron, as that show and his humour has really grown on me and I love it to bits, so i'm looking forward to new content from him.
Steam Train is two new hosts, I only know Ross and I enjoy his animation but they're both new and time will tell If i like how they work together. With only one episode out i'll reserve judgement.
Maybe it'll ultimately be a good thing, Like with Continue? losing Dom and bringing in josh, I'm sure there was unhappiness regarding it but ultimately it worked out.
Edit: super concerning to see only my post has Geth on it.
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Oh well, lets hope the new guy will be awesome
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I'm not saying the show is unwatchable or everyone unsubscribe right this second but I'm trying to explain why fans are leaving from a rational view and why I feel the need to let the show go.