I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
Tesla, like many of his era, became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. His opinion stemmed from the belief that humans' "pity" had interfered with the natural "ruthless workings of nature," rather than from conceptions of a "master race" or inherent superiority of one person over another. His advocacy of it was, however, to push it further. In a 1937 interview, he stated:
“ ... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct ... The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal."
I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
Huh. Well in NZ we banned lead shot for duck shooting but not for other uses. So, yes, lead shot is still used a bit. I used some the other day for trap shooting in fact,
Yay, the philosophy thread came back up.
Time for more nonsensical arguing.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Tesla, like many of his era, became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. His opinion stemmed from the belief that humans' "pity" had interfered with the natural "ruthless workings of nature," rather than from conceptions of a "master race" or inherent superiority of one person over another. His advocacy of it was, however, to push it further. In a 1937 interview, he stated:
“ ... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct ... The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal."
Oh god, how long am I supposed to hold out for a transfer? I put the process forward on the 27th of Dec. and it's now about the 16th of January. It's just a retail transfer! I want to be out of Albany and back into the arms of crime-ridden Philadelphia.
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In our lifetimes, every home will have a decanter because wine will come in plastic bags.
I weep for my unborn grandchildren.
Plastic bags are a good fit for wine though, because you can stop drinking whenever without worrying about ruining all the wine. It's not like touching food-grade plastic imparts a flavor any more than glass does. Y'all impractical snobs!
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I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
But.. glass is one of the most recyclable things around. You can melt it down and reuse it basically forever.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
In our lifetimes, every home will have a decanter because wine will come in plastic bags.
I weep for my unborn grandchildren.
Plastic bags are a good fit for wine though, because you can stop drinking whenever without worrying about ruining all the wine. It's not like touching food-grade plastic imparts a flavor any more than glass does. Y'all impractical snobs!
DK advocates more wasteful petroleum products.
Environmental wedge issue!
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Oh god, how long am I supposed to hold out for a transfer? I put the process forward on the 27th of Dec. and it's now about the 16th of January. It's just a retail transfer! I want to be out of Albany and back into the arms of crime-ridden Philadelphia.
In our lifetimes, every home will have a decanter because wine will come in plastic bags.
I weep for my unborn grandchildren.
Plastic bags are a good fit for wine though, because you can stop drinking whenever without worrying about ruining all the wine. It's not like touching food-grade plastic imparts a flavor any more than glass does. Y'all impractical snobs!
I was literally thinking about this last night. I kinda want to find a decent pinot noir box because my wife is allergic and I feel awful crushing a bottle by myself (and then proceeding to help her finish her bottle of white)
I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
But.. glass is one of the most recyclable things around. You can melt it down and reuse it basically forever.
It takes a lot of energy to sort, melt, and reform.
I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
But.. glass is one of the most recyclable things around. You can melt it down and reuse it basically forever.
It takes a lot of energy to sort, melt, and reform.
So does everything, ffs. We need better energy sources, not less energy-intensive practices.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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In our lifetimes, every home will have a decanter because wine will come in plastic bags.
I weep for my unborn grandchildren.
Plastic bags are a good fit for wine though, because you can stop drinking whenever without worrying about ruining all the wine. It's not like touching food-grade plastic imparts a flavor any more than glass does. Y'all impractical snobs!
DK advocates more wasteful petroleum products.
Environmental wedge issue!
PET plastic is made from ethylene, removed from natural gas during refinement, and is not a petroleum product.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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Tesla, like many of his era, became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. His opinion stemmed from the belief that humans' "pity" had interfered with the natural "ruthless workings of nature," rather than from conceptions of a "master race" or inherent superiority of one person over another. His advocacy of it was, however, to push it further. In a 1937 interview, he stated:
“ ... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct ... The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal."
well hes not wrong
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Tesla, like many of his era, became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. His opinion stemmed from the belief that humans' "pity" had interfered with the natural "ruthless workings of nature," rather than from conceptions of a "master race" or inherent superiority of one person over another. His advocacy of it was, however, to push it further. In a 1937 interview, he stated:
“ ... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct ... The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal."
well hes not wrong
shhhhhhhhh
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UNCLE SCHECK IS V TIRED HE WAS JUST HEADED TO BED
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I don't understand how someone can say banning lead hunting ammunition is the first step towards banning hunting
these bizarre slippery slope arguments gun rights advocates come up are silly as shit, oppose the ban on its merits or lack of merits, don't go after a straw man
Is there any serious support for banning hunting?
I am kind of curious now. It's something I've seen people suggest but it's always crazy internet people (who tend to be dumb, cuz banning hunting would actually be terrible on almost every non-cuteness based ethical system). I am kind of wondering if there is any real support.
Also this cat is real interested in my butt.
It's more that not-lead bullets are a lot more expensive, which makes it pricey to practice shooting or hunt frequently.
I give you the first one but you should not need lots of bullets to go hunting. Ideally you need one, maybe a handful others if you're a bad shot.
That depends what you're shooting at.
I can't think of any waterfowl that would require enough ammunition to make a difference.
Or are they banning all lead now?
yeah that's what we're talking about. Steel shot in shotgun shells, etc.
I mean, no you're not going to burn through 50 rounds in a day of duck hunting. Target shooting and training is where it'll really hurt, because you can't get to be a good shot without practice and that will get a lot more expensive.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good way to stop people from shooting lead shells outdoors without making them totally illegal. Telling hunters: "no seriously guys, don't shoot these over the lake" doesn't seem to work because every year the water gets a little bit more lead in it right around hunting season.
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
But.. glass is one of the most recyclable things around. You can melt it down and reuse it basically forever.
Yes, but the recycling process for glass uses a lot of energy, and transporting glass uses a lot of fuel because it's heavy. The only way glass ends up green is if you're reusing the whole bottle without melting it down and you're not transporting it very far to do so.
Really, the most environmentally-friendly beverage container material by a longshot is aluminum. The worst part about aluminum is the interior lining, which contains BPA. Supposedly BPA is safe as long as it's kept cool, but I'm not convinced we know enough about BPA in beverages to say that conclusively or not.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Oh god, how long am I supposed to hold out for a transfer? I put the process forward on the 27th of Dec. and it's now about the 16th of January. It's just a retail transfer! I want to be out of Albany and back into the arms of crime-ridden Philadelphia.
Those bastards.
Get Chu or Elendil to go threaten them.
They would be seduced by Macy money.
Does anyone know how good temp agencies are? I'm worried I'll go to one and they'll have NOTHING for me. The one I'm going to is recommended by a co-worker here, but I worry about Philadelphia.
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You know just in case we need to be shooting mythological creatures
We won't have to buy special ammo
Yeah I'm legit sympathetic to this. Also the CA ban seems pretty sensible and has an escape clause such that if the Fed designates not-lead bullets "armor piercing" and thus illegal, the ban disappears.
Doing your own reloads is going to be a lot harder now, and shooting will be more expensive at least in the short term, but when you have so many shooters that you're spreading a ton per acre of lead around the forest, you have to do something about it.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The solution is to carry a mic with you all the time. Bonus: opportunities to drop it and walk away will never be missed again.
Well then.
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
yeah this is basically my first one
oh god if one of my friends roasted me and then produced a goddam mic and dropped it in front of me I think I would literally die
literally
I feel like Im going to feel similarly when they finally come for my wine bottles.
Wow
So Ungreen
Much Glass
Time for more nonsensical arguing.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
D-
Darn that Edison?
Basically you can't have lead shot around anything related to waterfowl hunting. Can't have it in your bag. Can't have it in your truck with decoys.
This is wise. You are wise.
I weep for my unborn grandchildren.
You can buy and load your own silver bullets.
They are predictably very expensive.
Plastic bags are a good fit for wine though, because you can stop drinking whenever without worrying about ruining all the wine. It's not like touching food-grade plastic imparts a flavor any more than glass does. Y'all impractical snobs!
But.. glass is one of the most recyclable things around. You can melt it down and reuse it basically forever.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
DK advocates more wasteful petroleum products.
Environmental wedge issue!
Those bastards.
Get Chu or Elendil to go threaten them.
BUT HOW????
I was literally thinking about this last night. I kinda want to find a decent pinot noir box because my wife is allergic and I feel awful crushing a bottle by myself (and then proceeding to help her finish her bottle of white)
It takes a lot of energy to sort, melt, and reform.
So does everything, ffs. We need better energy sources, not less energy-intensive practices.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
PET plastic is made from ethylene, removed from natural gas during refinement, and is not a petroleum product.
well hes not wrong
The place I'm doing next week is no mic. I am shitting it.
shhhhhhhhh
No mic? What the fuck?
Are the acoustics super amazing?
Yes, but the recycling process for glass uses a lot of energy, and transporting glass uses a lot of fuel because it's heavy. The only way glass ends up green is if you're reusing the whole bottle without melting it down and you're not transporting it very far to do so.
Really, the most environmentally-friendly beverage container material by a longshot is aluminum. The worst part about aluminum is the interior lining, which contains BPA. Supposedly BPA is safe as long as it's kept cool, but I'm not convinced we know enough about BPA in beverages to say that conclusively or not.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Tav does not need a microphone
his voice is fuckin'... powerfuuuuullll ahhhh yeah!
They would be seduced by Macy money.
Does anyone know how good temp agencies are? I'm worried I'll go to one and they'll have NOTHING for me. The one I'm going to is recommended by a co-worker here, but I worry about Philadelphia.