I really wish WH40k would take the Genre to a whole to level. I really hope that a company like relic would let the WH40K genre evolve to the next level in the media game genre to let WH40K become a dominate theme. An inquisitor genre would replace COD, an Inquisitor game would replace hitman, and a game like DMC would replace Eisenhorn as an genre stronghold fore the grere would emerge to create a new evaluation for the genre. WH40K has such a strong mythos for the genre that it could become a new Staple for the game genre pretty easilly if MLG and others would accept it.
In the Grim Darkness (TM) of 2014, Warhammer 40,000 is of somewhat limited general appeal. The very nature of its antiheroic, antivillainous conflicts guarantees that broader audiences aren't generally going to go for it. People like to root for good guys; in 40K, if the good guys don't get killed by the second act, they'll become bad guys by the third.
I really wish WH40k would take the Genre to a whole to level. I really hope that a company like relic would let the WH40K genre evolve to the next level in the media game genre to let WH40K become a dominate theme. An inquisitor genre would replace COD, an Inquisitor game would replace hitman, and a game like DMC would replace Eisenhorn as an genre stronghold fore the grere would emerge to create a new evaluation for the genre. WH40K has such a strong mythos for the genre that it could become a new Staple for the game genre pretty easilly if MLG and others would accept it.
In the Grim Darkness (TM) of 2014, Warhammer 40,000 is of somewhat limited general appeal. The very nature of its antiheroic, antivillainous conflicts guarantees that broader audiences aren't generally going to go for it. People like to root for good guys; in 40K, if the good guys don't get killed by the second act, they'll become bad guys by the third.
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The story is written by a Black Library author and since it's not a commercial production GW has OK'd it.
Interesting. The whole reason Damnatus was C&D'd was because IP law in Germany gives the rights to people who create stuff, which would have meant that they could make 40k merch as Damnatus merch. I wonder what changed.
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Of course neither party posted full details of whatever the agreement they came to was, but they've got Aaron Dembski-Bowden on script.
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
so
a while back Fantasy Flight Games released a game called Relic
which is basically Talisman 2.0 in the WH40k universe
still, the game had some issues - randomness played too big a part, and you never knew if you were gonna have a great time or slug through it
but they recently released an expansion, Nemesis, that lets you play as one of the enemies of the Imperium, thus adding PvP and alliances into the mix and improving the core mechanics substantially
if you like Talisman I really recommend checking it out, it's great
I've a soft spot of Tau being unambiguously good (ok, maybe a little bit ambiguous). And even with most of the stuff they've done they are still miles ahead of other game factions.
My Tau armies fluff is that the Tau have taken a imperial world and instigated sweeping social reforms and freedom. Of course, this being 40k, there's no way that could ever bite the Tau in the ass.
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The Tau are merciful if you don't mind becoming a second or third class citizen in their empire. But they would not be above burning a world if it posed a threat to the Tau hierarchy...I mean 'The Greater Good'. In fact the only reason the Imperium even tolerates the Xenos scum so close to their worlds is the fact that they are helpful in holding back the Nids.
The Tau are merciful if you don't mind becoming a second or third class citizen in their empire. But they would not be above burning a world if it posed a threat to the Tau hierarchy...I mean 'The Greater Good'. In fact the only reason the Imperium even tolerates the Xenos scum so close to their worlds is the fact that they are helpful in holding back the Nids.
If I had the insane money and free time required to get into Warhammer, and I decided for some reason to play Tau, they'd definitely be based on the Neighborhood Watch Alliance.
Complete with little ties and a mustache for the HQ.
The Tau are merciful if you don't mind becoming a second or third class citizen in their empire. But they would not be above burning a world if it posed a threat to the Tau hierarchy...I mean 'The Greater Good'. In fact the only reason the Imperium even tolerates the Xenos scum so close to their worlds is the fact that they are helpful in holding back the Nids.
not true at all
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the tau most likely use some form of mind-control on the vespids though
I wish the Tau Armies had even more alien models. The biggest internal threat to the Tau (aside from the ambiguous nature of the Ethereals) is their willingness to integrate others into their Empire. And it's never 100% good. The Vespids might be mind controlled. The Kroot are completely incompatible. It works for now but you sense that some of that tension could easily cause real trouble. More aliens in their army lists would help show that. It's not the uh, most politically correct of messages, but 'multiculturalism will destroy the Tau' seems like a nice fit for 40k.
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I always saw the Tau as being kind of like a warped version of the Federation from Star Trek... working towards the Great Good, so long as it's their idea of Greater Good - it just so happens that this idea involves technological progress and a certain type of equality within an allotted role. No room for dissent or free expression, which I guess would be easy for the Tau themselves, seeing how the Ethereal have the rest of the casts under their control; much more restrictive and totalitarian when it comes to other races though
They do like their racial segregation. Like, their society wouldn't even exist without everyone staying in their place. But then again, it's still better than any segregation we've ever had.
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The Tau - Drink the kool-aid and report to your Internment...we mean racially planned fun camp!
The Tau are merciful if you don't mind becoming a second or third class citizen in their empire. But they would not be above burning a world if it posed a threat to the Tau hierarchy...I mean 'The Greater Good'. In fact the only reason the Imperium even tolerates the Xenos scum so close to their worlds is the fact that they are helpful in holding back the Nids.
I think that's why Farsight is a secret-hero of the Tau. His tactics and divergence from Tau tradition makes him an excellent tool against the Orks, but they also make him a social nuke to acknowledge.
There was a kroot short-story in one of the old Tau codices that has really stuck with me and since then I am always like "please more kroot troops please more kroot troops" any time new tau rumors come out
There was a Kroot Mercenary army many years back in a Chapter Approved article
I saw a rad custom "Tau" army that was a renegade faction of Kroot
Like the Battlesuit hero dude was a Kroot that had jury-rigged a captured one, the Tau commanding officers were held at knifepoint, etc.
It looked pretty dope.
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The best Tau is Shas'O Kais.
Fucker's first day on active duty put him up against an army of space marines, then an army of chaos space marines, then a fucking Bloodthirster.
Bigger workload than most Space Marines get.
Then, after some serious time in therapy from, you know, having Khorne influencing him directly, losing an arm, massive PTSD, etc etc etc, he managed to get promoted to using a crisis suit and a command position!
...Where he kept up his record of not dying while his ethereal was killed horribly. Really, they need to stop trusting that guy with them. Maybe start with something smaller. Like a goldfish or something.
After listening to the hardcore history podcast on WW1, I've realized that my assumption of 40k humanity as being world war 2 influenced primarily seems off. Certainly it is there, but I get a lot more of a WW1 vibe.
Particularly striking is the realization that the secret of 40k isn't how overblown everything is, but how overblown it isn't. Commissars shooting soldiers? Yeah that was stuff that happened, in a sanctioned capacity, in WW1. WW2 as well, of course, but it seems a more commonly accepted thing in the first war, and an extreme measure in the second. Maybe that is just an incorrect impression though.
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I loved when Abnett had the Ghosts go to that world that was generations into a WW1 style trench war and all the troops had their fucking minds blown at the sight of lasguns.
After listening to the hardcore history podcast on WW1, I've realized that my assumption of 40k humanity as being world war 2 influenced primarily seems off. Certainly it is there, but I get a lot more of a WW1 vibe.
Particularly striking is the realization that the secret of 40k isn't how overblown everything is, but how overblown it isn't. Commissars shooting soldiers? Yeah that was stuff that happened, in a sanctioned capacity, in WW1. WW2 as well, of course, but it seems a more commonly accepted thing in the first war, and an extreme measure in the second. Maybe that is just an incorrect impression though.
commisars are directly based on order 227 and deputies for political matters in the soviet army
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Also there are still forge worlds in the Imperium making new ships, new titans, ancient factories still making the really good plasma cannons for destroyer pattern tanks and void shields and force weapons and etc. etc. Just, not enough to equip all units and of course it's almost all gonna get snatched up by older, safer worlds and won't get spread around until some rich hiveworld unit that hasn't seen combat in 700 years gets called up and slaughtered where other units can pick through the leftovers.
Well right, but I'm more saying that officers shooting men in the field for cowardice didn't need a special order in WW1, it was a thing that just happened.
Some of the firsthand accounts are completely horrifying
quite the juxtaposition between the 'glory of war' in the civilian populace at the time and the troops that went in with new tech, outdated tactics, and officers that were in charge because they came from money, not because the were competant.
I had a great grandpa in WW1. His diaries are... Bleak is the right word for it. I'm glad we found them, because he wouldn't talk about that stuff when he was alive, except maybe to uncle Vic who was a medivac chopper pilot in Vietnam.
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In the Grim Darkness (TM) of 2014, Warhammer 40,000 is of somewhat limited general appeal. The very nature of its antiheroic, antivillainous conflicts guarantees that broader audiences aren't generally going to go for it. People like to root for good guys; in 40K, if the good guys don't get killed by the second act, they'll become bad guys by the third.
Bjorn disagrees
Someone destroy the golden throne so the emperor can return and save us from damnation.
Man I love that still, but I hope they know that they're going to get a C&D from GW, especially because they're in Germany.
Interesting. The whole reason Damnatus was C&D'd was because IP law in Germany gives the rights to people who create stuff, which would have meant that they could make 40k merch as Damnatus merch. I wonder what changed.
Everybody's the bad guy in 40K.
Including the Emperor.
...Okay, maybe not the Salamanders.
Why I fear the ocean.
You could also argue the wolves. Just look what happened after Armageddon when the Inquisition's plan for the surviving populous became known.
a while back Fantasy Flight Games released a game called Relic
which is basically Talisman 2.0 in the WH40k universe
still, the game had some issues - randomness played too big a part, and you never knew if you were gonna have a great time or slug through it
but they recently released an expansion, Nemesis, that lets you play as one of the enemies of the Imperium, thus adding PvP and alliances into the mix and improving the core mechanics substantially
if you like Talisman I really recommend checking it out, it's great
My Tau armies fluff is that the Tau have taken a imperial world and instigated sweeping social reforms and freedom. Of course, this being 40k, there's no way that could ever bite the Tau in the ass.
If I had the insane money and free time required to get into Warhammer, and I decided for some reason to play Tau, they'd definitely be based on the Neighborhood Watch Alliance.
Complete with little ties and a mustache for the HQ.
Why I fear the ocean.
not true at all
I think that's why Farsight is a secret-hero of the Tau. His tactics and divergence from Tau tradition makes him an excellent tool against the Orks, but they also make him a social nuke to acknowledge.
Also, "Hunter Prey"...check it out....
Gue'Vesa
Means "Human Helpers"
Gue'la - Humans
Gue'vesa'la - Human Tau Empire soldiers
Gue'vesa'ui - Human Tau Empire sergeant
give me a Kroot army
Like the Battlesuit hero dude was a Kroot that had jury-rigged a captured one, the Tau commanding officers were held at knifepoint, etc.
It looked pretty dope.
Fucker's first day on active duty put him up against an army of space marines, then an army of chaos space marines, then a fucking Bloodthirster.
Bigger workload than most Space Marines get.
Then, after some serious time in therapy from, you know, having Khorne influencing him directly, losing an arm, massive PTSD, etc etc etc, he managed to get promoted to using a crisis suit and a command position!
...Where he kept up his record of not dying while his ethereal was killed horribly. Really, they need to stop trusting that guy with them. Maybe start with something smaller. Like a goldfish or something.
Why I fear the ocean.
Particularly striking is the realization that the secret of 40k isn't how overblown everything is, but how overblown it isn't. Commissars shooting soldiers? Yeah that was stuff that happened, in a sanctioned capacity, in WW1. WW2 as well, of course, but it seems a more commonly accepted thing in the first war, and an extreme measure in the second. Maybe that is just an incorrect impression though.
Some of the firsthand accounts are completely horrifying
commisars are directly based on order 227 and deputies for political matters in the soviet army
quite the juxtaposition between the 'glory of war' in the civilian populace at the time and the troops that went in with new tech, outdated tactics, and officers that were in charge because they came from money, not because the were competant.
I had a great grandpa in WW1. His diaries are... Bleak is the right word for it. I'm glad we found them, because he wouldn't talk about that stuff when he was alive, except maybe to uncle Vic who was a medivac chopper pilot in Vietnam.
any ways, war 40k, orks for life.
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