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Insane in the Ukraine, OR, Not So Chicken Kiev?

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    Jesus

    What has happened this week with the world.

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    Butters wrote: »
    Holy Shit. Amazing since Francis is usually a strong advocate for nonviolence. [citation needed*]



    *Or at least that was my impression of him, I could be totally wrong.

    The only thing that he's been very consistent on is his radical support for the poor. I highly doubt he's calling for military action so much as he's calling for the international community to protect civilians.

    I found out some more context of this. The Pope did not actually call for violence or military strikes. It's just the media jumping for sensational headlines. Pope Francis actually said, "In these cases where there is unjust aggression, I can only say that it is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underscore the verb ’stop’; I don’t say bomb, make war — stop him. The means by which he may be stopped should be evaluated."

    So no crusade. Sorry guys. Hope you didn't spend too much money on chainmail. ;-)

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    DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Holy Shit. Amazing since Francis is usually a strong advocate for nonviolence. [citation needed*]



    *Or at least that was my impression of him, I could be totally wrong.

    The only thing that he's been very consistent on is his radical support for the poor. I highly doubt he's calling for military action so much as he's calling for the international community to protect civilians.

    I found out some more context of this. The Pope did not actually call for violence or military strikes. It's just the media jumping for sensational headlines. Pope Francis actually said, "In these cases where there is unjust aggression, I can only say that it is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underscore the verb ’stop’; I don’t say bomb, make war — stop him. The means by which he may be stopped should be evaluated."

    So no crusade. Sorry guys. Hope you didn't spend too much money on chainmail. ;-)

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Holy Shit. Amazing since Francis is usually a strong advocate for nonviolence. [citation needed*]



    *Or at least that was my impression of him, I could be totally wrong.

    The only thing that he's been very consistent on is his radical support for the poor. I highly doubt he's calling for military action so much as he's calling for the international community to protect civilians.

    I found out some more context of this. The Pope did not actually call for violence or military strikes. It's just the media jumping for sensational headlines. Pope Francis actually said, "In these cases where there is unjust aggression, I can only say that it is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underscore the verb ’stop’; I don’t say bomb, make war — stop him. The means by which he may be stopped should be evaluated."

    So no crusade. Sorry guys. Hope you didn't spend too much money on chainmail. ;-)

    Damnit, I was finally going to have a good reason to own a war hammer

    There is still the single best reason to own a war hammer - they're bad-ass.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Yeah New Pope is no dummy and the other thing he puts a ton of effort into is avoiding the appearance of hypocrisy i.e. he's rejected many of the luxuries past popes enjoyed while championing for the poor. He's a true Franscican.

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    JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    Jesus

    What has happened this week with the world.

    The same thing that has been happening since the dawn of mankind?

    Guys being dicks.

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    i have to say, i really like making "new pope" and "pope classic" jokes

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    So, uh.

    A missing journalist just got executed in response to the air-strikes in Iraq, with another next on the chopping block unless they're stopped.

    I really have to wonder if these guys actually think that a threat like that will have any impact at all.

    I don't see the United States backing down from basically trying to save thousands of people from getting killed over one person being killed.

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    So, uh.

    A missing journalist just got executed in response to the air-strikes in Iraq, with another next on the chopping block unless they're stopped.

    I really have to wonder if these guys actually think that a threat like that will have any impact at all.

    I don't see the United States backing down from basically trying to save thousands of people from getting killed over one person being killed.

    I've seen the argument made that they (ISIL) are in fact attempting to provoke more attacks and stir anti-Islamic sentiment in western countries. ISIL relies on recruits from all around the globe, so the more footage that gets out of Muslim civilians being bombed by western nations, the better the chance that Muslims will be moved to join the fight. In addition to this, beheading westerners generates outrage at home, which we then take out on ordinary Muslim people back at home, further widening the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
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    So, uh.

    A missing journalist just got executed in response to the air-strikes in Iraq, with another next on the chopping block unless they're stopped.

    I really have to wonder if these guys actually think that a threat like that will have any impact at all.

    I don't see the United States backing down from basically trying to save thousands of people from getting killed over one person being killed.

    If we back down its sends the message that hostages work and more competnt organizations will make note of that.

    I will note if Iraq hadnt basically left their US donated military equipment gift wrapped for these guys when they abandoned the region we wouldnt be there at all.

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    TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    So, uh.

    A missing journalist just got executed in response to the air-strikes in Iraq, with another next on the chopping block unless they're stopped.

    My co-worker was pretty beat-up about this today since he recognized the journalist from some of his classes in college.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    Ugh. :c

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    The Russian convoy has fully entered Ukraine without a Red Cross escort, being called a direct invasion by Kiev.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    And so it begins I guess.

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    DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Holy Shit. Amazing since Francis is usually a strong advocate for nonviolence. [citation needed*]



    *Or at least that was my impression of him, I could be totally wrong.

    The only thing that he's been very consistent on is his radical support for the poor. I highly doubt he's calling for military action so much as he's calling for the international community to protect civilians.

    I found out some more context of this. The Pope did not actually call for violence or military strikes. It's just the media jumping for sensational headlines. Pope Francis actually said, "In these cases where there is unjust aggression, I can only say that it is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underscore the verb ’stop’; I don’t say bomb, make war — stop him. The means by which he may be stopped should be evaluated."

    So no crusade. Sorry guys. Hope you didn't spend too much money on chainmail. ;-)

    Damnit, I was finally going to have a good reason to own a war hammer

    There is still the single best reason to own a war hammer - they're bad-ass.

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    Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    DaMoonRulz wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Holy Shit. Amazing since Francis is usually a strong advocate for nonviolence. [citation needed*]



    *Or at least that was my impression of him, I could be totally wrong.

    The only thing that he's been very consistent on is his radical support for the poor. I highly doubt he's calling for military action so much as he's calling for the international community to protect civilians.

    I found out some more context of this. The Pope did not actually call for violence or military strikes. It's just the media jumping for sensational headlines. Pope Francis actually said, "In these cases where there is unjust aggression, I can only say that it is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underscore the verb ’stop’; I don’t say bomb, make war — stop him. The means by which he may be stopped should be evaluated."

    So no crusade. Sorry guys. Hope you didn't spend too much money on chainmail. ;-)

    Damnit, I was finally going to have a good reason to own a war hammer

    There is still the single best reason to own a war hammer - they're bad-ass.

    And you have my Hammer
    10403239_10203740224518980_1080388056354690152_n.jpg?oh=5dad70f8a83f119b496b9e929f77ef2e&oe=547FDCD3

    Hes a fraud guys!!!

    Thats no moon!

    I got nothing for you now. Try again later.

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    Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    i have to say, i really like making "new pope" and "pope classic" jokes

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    So apparently Hamas has finally claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and slaying of the three Israeli teens.

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    KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    Don't they normally do that right from the start though? I mean they aren't shy about claiming responsibility for anything else they do. I wonder what took so long.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    It would have made them look bad earlier but now people are resentful enough that they'll see it as a good thing?

    I dunno, it seems weird.

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    So apparently Hamas has finally claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and slaying of the three Israeli teens.

    except not really

    http://mitchellplitnick.com/2014/08/21/no-hamas-did-not-take-responsibility-for-three-israeli-youths-kidnapping-and-murder/

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Ugh. Stupid media.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    New York Times: Russians Open Fire in Ukraine, NATO Reports
    Russia on Friday escalated tensions with Ukraine to the highest level since its stealthy invasion of Crimea in the spring, sending more than 200 trucks from a long-stalled aid convoy into rebel-held eastern Ukraine over the objections of Kiev and, NATO said, conducting military operations on Ukrainian territory.

    NATO officials said that the Russian military had moved artillery units inside Ukrainian territory in recent days and was using them to fire at Ukrainian forces. Russia has repeatedly denied sending troops or military hardware into Ukraine, just as it denied any link to the unidentified gunmen who paved the way for Moscow’s annexation of Crimea — until President Vladimir V. Putin stated in April that Russian troops were “of course” involved.

    There has been a “major escalation in Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine since mid-August, including the use of Russian forces,” Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen of NATO said in a statement. “Russian artillery support — both cross-border and from within Ukraine — is being employed against the Ukrainian armed forces,” Mr. Rasmussen added.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Should have said they were Russian 'military advisers' for the rebels.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    The Ukraine army does have guns that work, right?

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    if the fact that rebel-controlled territory has steadily been shrinking despite Russian aid is taken at face value, yes, I assume they do.

    I just assume they know that shooting at "not Russians" might turn them into Russians which Russia might take as a reason to go "protect" the Russians.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    "what offensive?"

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
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    "Why Madame Chancellor, whatever do you mean??"

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    HoA-playerHoA-player Registered User regular
    The Separatist are saying that the Russian soldiers fighting for them are on vacation.

    spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-russlands-soldaten-helfen-separatisten-laut-rebellenfuehrer-a-988508.html

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    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    Because I'm sure Russian soldiers just take their tanks with them on vacation.

    ...although come to mention it...

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    so who are these lies meant for

    the russian people, i guess?

    like it's just a populist maneuver on putin's part, it doesn't have anything to do with getting other countries to believe him

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    so who are these lies meant for

    the russian people, i guess?

    like it's just a populist maneuver on putin's part, it doesn't have anything to do with getting other countries to believe him

    He heard complaints that Crimea now meant there were two bits of Russia not connected with the mainland and opted to solve that problem.

    But yeah, right now he either doesn't understand or doesn't care how he appears outside Russia's sphere of influence.

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    How else is he gonna get everybody to forget how shitty Sochi was?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    How else is he gonna get everybody to forget how shitty Sochi was?

    His long time crackdown on that most pervasive enemy of the Motherland, the gays.

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    NATO confirms Russian invasion, Ukrainian forces retreat on southeastern front

    Moscow continues to deny direct intervention, although Russian news media has also started describing it as an invasion. Putin's denails are further contradicted by photographic evidence of Separatist forces using a T-72BM tank - a variant which has never been exported outside of Russia.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    you know i didn't realize until i looked it up that the crimea basically does border on russia

    like it's not quite a land border but it's a short hop across the sea of azov, you could swim it

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    there was a railway bridge over the strait at some point, but it got destroyed in ww2 and was never rebuilt

    Russia was going to dam it in 2003 but Ukraine got mad

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