Thoughts on a particular aspect of the assassination contracts
entering the data through like 3 levels of archaic tech and then having it sent out to the Nokia slide phones that all these assassins carry in 2017 was kinda dumb
but
I love that the call center is staffed entirely by cute rockabilly pinups
we knew that was coming, but holy shit was it fucking violent. Like you'd expect maybe eye or throat not straight through the fucking ear and impaled the back of the skull.
the ear kill got the best horrified gasps followed by thunderous applause I've ever heard from a theater audience
My theater had the same reaction
In general this was a great movie to watch with an audience, lots of great "OOOOHHHHH" moments
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I've never heard so many people gasp at once as I did when John shot Santiano in the hotel
We were all way into the universe in a way I don't think I've seen happen in a movie
After he shot him, one woman in my theater said, quite audibly by everyone, "He gave NO fucks!"
Thoughts on a particular aspect of the assassination contracts
entering the data through like 3 levels of archaic tech and then having it sent out to the Nokia slide phones that all these assassins carry in 2017 was kinda dumb
but
I love that the call center is staffed entirely by cute rockabilly pinups
I feel like that might have actually been a neat method visually to show "this person is an assassin who suddenly wants to murder you"
Like, you could identify without doubt that all these folks looking at their dumb antiquated phones were in the Underworld because no one else would have a reason to own one - if a person was looking at some standard Samsung Galaxy their status might be dubious, but in that run-out sequence at the end it was even more clear that every person with one of those things was gonna be out to get him, and it wasn't John now being paranoid for his safety
okay after seing this, if they do a tv series, i don't want a prequel
i want a series that bridges the gap between chapter 2 and chapter 3 because there is no way one movie can do it enough justice
overall, the movie really does rule, but i don't think it's as good as the first.
opening sequence notwithstanding, it took longer to get to a real good sweet spot of cool fight followed by cool fight followed by cool fight that the original did.
i wasn't a real big fan of the escape through the concert after killing the sister. once they hit the tunnels though, it was fucking aces
the action is definitely ramped up. and the set pieces are much more diverse, as is the color palate. (really the only sin i could level at original john wick was it was the most blue and orange movie.)
i liked the world-building a lot more in the first, i think there are some moments in chapter 2 where the world they built was a little too stupid for me. then again, the biggest strength of the original john wick was how little they told you, which just isn't the same here.
everything "accounts payable" felt super lame to me, for example
so yeah, the action is better and so much more diverse (for people who were turned off by how "samey" john wick classic's stuff was). the set design is unreal. the story stuff and world building just ain't on the same level.
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
On the topic of antiquated phones:
That didn't bug me. I assume most of them were using burner phones for their assassination work.
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
On the topic of antiquated phones:
That didn't bug me. I assume most of them were using burner phones for their assassination work.
I question the necessity of a burner phone to some extent because it appears these assassins operate in a world where the police are not a concern.
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Thought of something.
It's both weird and awesome that when you see the assassins get Santino's $7M contract on Wick, none of them hesitate to try and take the man out. Because despite the dude's legendary status, it only takes a surprise bullet to off him.
Although I would've loved one assassin seeing the name on the contract and go "What, him? Nah, forget it."
It's kind of balanced out by the fact that everyone has one and not just John Wick, which does allow for some better fight sequences when getting shot in the body is typically just a mild inconvenience. However, it also retroactively gives a reason for John Wick's proclivity for always shooting fools in the head in the first movie, no matter how much he had already hurt them prior to the headshot. It also means everyone else also has to go for headshots, when I kind of liked it in the first movie when I thought that was just John Wick's fighting style.
That said, since he does have a bullet-proof suit, I like that he at least actually makes an effort to use the thing and would raise his jacket to block his face if he needed to.
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
I found it interesting that Wick blew her brains out as she was bleeding out.
Like, if this was someone he'd hated, that'd say one thing, a pretty simple "Fuck you, you go out on my terms."
But she was his friend, and he wanted to keep thinking of things that way. So, that doesn't work. Could be professionalism, but...
She was talking about damnation earlier. And, traditionally, the Catholic view (relevant, I would think, in Rome) has been that suicide is a mortal sin, that suicide condemns someone in ways they can't take back. Could be that was more the game. John let her set the terms, then fired the bullet to do what he could for her soul.
Interesting.
Also interesting was the progression of "Be seeing you". At first it just gets a nod, then "Not if I see you first", as a threat. But then, iteration 3?
"Sure."
As she's bleeding to death. All through the movie, no matter how unlikely, John's been fighting in the hopes that if he finishes this round, he could go back to a peaceful life, that he could just get away from it all again. But there, he presages violating one of the two rules by admitting that he's got no hope of escape anymore. He's out of options, and he embraces it.
It's a more thoughtful film than it absolutely needs to be, from time to time.
I haven't seen the first one, but I felt like I had enough exposure to the basics that I had a solid idea of what to expect going in.
And, boy, was I wrong, because I was not expecting that to be quite as violent as it was.
The Pencil Scene had me going "OH, MY GOD. NO. NO."
That's not what those are for, John. Those are for writing and crosswords, not for amateur lobotomies.
I'll give them credit, even without having seen the entirety first one, they outlined the rules of the Wick Assassin World well enough that when John shot Santino in the Continental, I knew shit had just gone sideways in the worst way.
The only scene that really skeeved me out was Gianna's death, because that seemed lurid and drawn out in a way that you don't want a scene like that to be.
This was a good movie, which I would highly recommend.
Tactical shotgun. Wick always double- or triple-taps, but when he's using a relatively low-cap shotty without magazine reloads, this habit works against him and he's forced out of his comfort zone.
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
I found it interesting that Wick blew her brains out as she was bleeding out.
Like, if this was someone he'd hated, that'd say one thing, a pretty simple "Fuck you, you go out on my terms."
But she was his friend, and he wanted to keep thinking of things that way. So, that doesn't work. Could be professionalism, but...
She was talking about damnation earlier. And, traditionally, the Catholic view (relevant, I would think, in Rome) has been that suicide is a mortal sin, that suicide condemns someone in ways they can't take back. Could be that was more the game. John let her set the terms, then fired the bullet to do what he could for her soul.
Interesting.
Also interesting was the progression of "Be seeing you". At first it just gets a nod, then "Not if I see you first", as a threat. But then, iteration 3?
"Sure."
As she's bleeding to death. All through the movie, no matter how unlikely, John's been fighting in the hopes that if he finishes this round, he could go back to a peaceful life, that he could just get away from it all again. But there, he presages violating one of the two rules by admitting that he's got no hope of escape anymore. He's out of options, and he embraces it.
It's a more thoughtful film than it absolutely needs to be, from time to time.
I got the impression that he shot her in the head just to be sure.
I mean, he allowed her to go out on her own terms like she wanted, then made absolutely certain that there was no chance she might somehow be miraculously resuscitated after he left.
He is, after all, a professional.
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Tactical shotgun. Wick always double- or triple-taps, but when he's using a relatively low-cap shotty without magazine reloads, this habit works against him and he's forced out of his comfort zone.
Nice.
My favorite part about this scene is
he was holding one last shell on the side, or had a single shell attached. I don't know guns, is that a thing? He held it to the side and then loaded it one last time for one last shot.
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What a shitty time for me to be on-call because now I have to wait until next week to see this and I don't wanna.
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
I found it interesting that Wick blew her brains out as she was bleeding out.
Like, if this was someone he'd hated, that'd say one thing, a pretty simple "Fuck you, you go out on my terms."
But she was his friend, and he wanted to keep thinking of things that way. So, that doesn't work. Could be professionalism, but...
She was talking about damnation earlier. And, traditionally, the Catholic view (relevant, I would think, in Rome) has been that suicide is a mortal sin, that suicide condemns someone in ways they can't take back. Could be that was more the game. John let her set the terms, then fired the bullet to do what he could for her soul.
Interesting.
Also interesting was the progression of "Be seeing you". At first it just gets a nod, then "Not if I see you first", as a threat. But then, iteration 3?
"Sure."
As she's bleeding to death. All through the movie, no matter how unlikely, John's been fighting in the hopes that if he finishes this round, he could go back to a peaceful life, that he could just get away from it all again. But there, he presages violating one of the two rules by admitting that he's got no hope of escape anymore. He's out of options, and he embraces it.
It's a more thoughtful film than it absolutely needs to be, from time to time.
I got the impression that he shot her in the head just to be sure.
I mean, he allowed her to go out on her own terms like she wanted, then made absolutely certain that there was no chance she might somehow be miraculously resuscitated after he left.
He is, after all, a professional.
I got the impression.
He shot her because he had to kill her to satisfy the contract, she was dying, but he killed her.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It opens a couple months in, John looks ragged having been pursued for months, and then he cleans up, suits up, and starts hunting the table instead. He's the fucking boogeyman after all.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It opens a couple months in, John looks ragged having been pursued for months, and then he cleans up, suits up, and starts hunting the table instead. He's who you call to kill the fucking boogeyman after all.
Tactical shotgun. Wick always double- or triple-taps, but when he's using a relatively low-cap shotty without magazine reloads, this habit works against him and he's forced out of his comfort zone.
Nice.
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Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
I found it interesting that Wick blew her brains out as she was bleeding out.
Like, if this was someone he'd hated, that'd say one thing, a pretty simple "Fuck you, you go out on my terms."
But she was his friend, and he wanted to keep thinking of things that way. So, that doesn't work. Could be professionalism, but...
She was talking about damnation earlier. And, traditionally, the Catholic view (relevant, I would think, in Rome) has been that suicide is a mortal sin, that suicide condemns someone in ways they can't take back. Could be that was more the game. John let her set the terms, then fired the bullet to do what he could for her soul.
Interesting.
Also interesting was the progression of "Be seeing you". At first it just gets a nod, then "Not if I see you first", as a threat. But then, iteration 3?
"Sure."
As she's bleeding to death. All through the movie, no matter how unlikely, John's been fighting in the hopes that if he finishes this round, he could go back to a peaceful life, that he could just get away from it all again. But there, he presages violating one of the two rules by admitting that he's got no hope of escape anymore. He's out of options, and he embraces it.
It's a more thoughtful film than it absolutely needs to be, from time to time.
I got the impression that he shot her in the head just to be sure.
I mean, he allowed her to go out on her own terms like she wanted, then made absolutely certain that there was no chance she might somehow be miraculously resuscitated after he left.
He is, after all, a professional.
I got the impression.
He shot her because he had to kill her to satisfy the contract, she was dying, but he killed her.
Yeah.
If she is found and she simply committed suicide, John hasn't completed the contract. If she is found with slit wrists and a bullet in her skull, everyone's gonna go, "Oh she tried to kill herself, and then John Motherfucking Wick shot her in the goddamn head." At this point it was a courtesy that he waited until she was nearly gone to shoot her, and didn't pop her twice in the chest as well (brand management is important).
I love how John knows every language.
Including ASL. I am a little mystified at how much work Ruby Rose is getting these days, because she's not a good actress (she basically has one character to date: cocky lesbian miscreant). She does have an interesting screen presence, though, and making her mute amplifies that.
Because I love it and want to see more of it, especially in that proposed TV series, but the mystery of it is half the fun and I don't want them to explain everything
Like, the last thing I want is a full on explanation of how this secret world controlling Assassin Illuminati came to be
Man, this movie was great. And makes me want to GM Shadowrun again so badly. Seriously, the middle stretch of this movie had all the elements of a great Shadowrun.
An offer you can't refuse from a Mr. Johnson. The planning and prepwork for the infiltration, calling in favors, getting gear, getting floorplans, etc. Executing the run on the way in flawlessly, but then, at the destination, a twist, the lady kills herself. And then, on the way out, everything goes pear shaped, you get caught, it's a running gun battle. And BAM of course, in the end, the Mr. Johnson double crosses you and now you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
On the topic of antiquated phones:
That didn't bug me. I assume most of them were using burner phones for their assassination work.
The only way to save me from running Shadowrun is to take the bullet for me.
I get the sense that the assassins are just contractors. The 12 are on another level in terms of power, and they're clearly not all assassins. The main guy Wick was hunting though seemed to have his feet in both worlds, which was why he was so dangerous.
I get the sense that the assassins are just contractors. The 12 are on another level in terms of power, and they're clearly not all assassins. The main guy Wick was hunting though seemed to have his feet in both worlds, which was why he was so dangerous.
Not sure about the bolded
Was it ever mentioned that he was an assassin? It seemed like he had a small army at his disposal but no combat skill himself. That's why he hid at the continental.
Because I love it and want to see more of it, especially in that proposed TV series, but the mystery of it is half the fun and I don't want them to explain everything
Like, the last thing I want is a full on explanation of how this secret world controlling Assassin Illuminati came to be
When John Wick had to enter a room full of bad guys with only seven bullets, I thought we were going to get a scene of him having to really conserve ammo and make sure every shot counts, and perhaps an extended fight scene since he couldn't just shoot everyone in the head and they would keep getting up.
Instead he unloaded all seven of those bullets in roughly two seconds, and we still got an amazing extended fight scene anyways just due to how many bad guys were present for him to kill.
I thought it was pretty funny how disgusted he was with the 1911, "Ugh, SEVEN rounds? God, what is this trash?"
I was almost conviced that there had to be some magical glamour or something surrounding the world of assassins.
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John leaves two bodies on the train platform just as a train pulls in. I was expecting the doors to open and hearing someone scream and John running through the panicked crowd. Instead there is no reaction whatsoever. Even as John and Cassian are stabbing each other on the train the folks in the background barely react, some glance over. But it isn't until the train stops again that they even get up and leave the train car.
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I love that the call center is staffed entirely by cute rockabilly pinups
Like, you could identify without doubt that all these folks looking at their dumb antiquated phones were in the Underworld because no one else would have a reason to own one - if a person was looking at some standard Samsung Galaxy their status might be dubious, but in that run-out sequence at the end it was even more clear that every person with one of those things was gonna be out to get him, and it wasn't John now being paranoid for his safety
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I swear this movie was like Shadowrun if all the main characters were physical adepts.
On the topic of antiquated phones:
(I'm so excited for this film but it isn't out here until next week, the wait is excruciating.)
naw man
that shit was extremely my jam
Although I would've loved one assassin seeing the name on the contract and go "What, him? Nah, forget it."
It's kind of balanced out by the fact that everyone has one and not just John Wick, which does allow for some better fight sequences when getting shot in the body is typically just a mild inconvenience. However, it also retroactively gives a reason for John Wick's proclivity for always shooting fools in the head in the first movie, no matter how much he had already hurt them prior to the headshot. It also means everyone else also has to go for headshots, when I kind of liked it in the first movie when I thought that was just John Wick's fighting style.
That said, since he does have a bullet-proof suit, I like that he at least actually makes an effort to use the thing and would raise his jacket to block his face if he needed to.
It would've been more amusing if they'd given another, different story to add to the legend.
Like, "John fuckin' Wick. I once saw that man kill an entire dinner party of six with nothing but the plastic cutlery."
Just keep rampin' it up with every film as a running joke.
Like, if this was someone he'd hated, that'd say one thing, a pretty simple "Fuck you, you go out on my terms."
But she was his friend, and he wanted to keep thinking of things that way. So, that doesn't work. Could be professionalism, but...
She was talking about damnation earlier. And, traditionally, the Catholic view (relevant, I would think, in Rome) has been that suicide is a mortal sin, that suicide condemns someone in ways they can't take back. Could be that was more the game. John let her set the terms, then fired the bullet to do what he could for her soul.
Interesting.
Also interesting was the progression of "Be seeing you". At first it just gets a nod, then "Not if I see you first", as a threat. But then, iteration 3?
"Sure."
As she's bleeding to death. All through the movie, no matter how unlikely, John's been fighting in the hopes that if he finishes this round, he could go back to a peaceful life, that he could just get away from it all again. But there, he presages violating one of the two rules by admitting that he's got no hope of escape anymore. He's out of options, and he embraces it.
It's a more thoughtful film than it absolutely needs to be, from time to time.
Why I fear the ocean.
And, boy, was I wrong, because I was not expecting that to be quite as violent as it was.
That's not what those are for, John. Those are for writing and crosswords, not for amateur lobotomies.
I'll give them credit, even without having seen the entirety first one, they outlined the rules of the Wick Assassin World well enough that when John shot Santino in the Continental, I knew shit had just gone sideways in the worst way.
The only scene that really skeeved me out was Gianna's death, because that seemed lurid and drawn out in a way that you don't want a scene like that to be.
This was a good movie, which I would highly recommend.
I mean, he allowed her to go out on her own terms like she wanted, then made absolutely certain that there was no chance she might somehow be miraculously resuscitated after he left.
He is, after all, a professional.
My favorite part about this scene is
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I got the impression.
He shot her because he had to kill her to satisfy the contract, she was dying, but he killed her.
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It opens a couple months in, John looks ragged having been pursued for months, and then he cleans up, suits up, and starts hunting the table instead. He's the fucking boogeyman after all.
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Second that.
Yeah.
I love how John knows every language.
Because I love it and want to see more of it, especially in that proposed TV series, but the mystery of it is half the fun and I don't want them to explain everything
Like, the last thing I want is a full on explanation of how this secret world controlling Assassin Illuminati came to be
But still give me more of it, please
it was called agents of shield season 2 & 3
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Not sure about the bolded
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I thought it was pretty funny how disgusted he was with the 1911, "Ugh, SEVEN rounds? God, what is this trash?"
It depends on how they do it
Just focusing on different assassins as they do jobs should be fine, especially if it is handled like an anthology
But any deep dive world building heavy stuff could be pretty rough
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