I'm not saying a cliffhanger can't be a viable ending
but angel season 5 counts in my book.
Not even close. Angel S5 is not a cliff-hanger, it's an "Everyone Dies" ending.
Joss would disagree with that, considering he's kept the story going past that point much like Buffy, in comic form.
Both of which kinda suck.
Angel S5 is an ending that you could, potentially, continue on afterwards. But that applies to the ending of almost any story. It's still and ending, not a cliff-hanger.
and the entire Buffy season 4 finale was spent setting up the next season
Adam and the Initiative are stopped in the penultimate episode, the finale was aaaaall setup.
The finale wasn't setup, the finale was sort of a one-off, with some resolution for the characters combined with a bit of foreshadowing.
Agreed. Neither Buffy nor Angel translate well into comics. I enjoy the pacing of the dialog in the show. Such pacing does not exist in comic form.
I've also come to the opinion that the budget constraints of the show kept them from actually doing some of the stupider things they may have thought of. Nothing seems to be holding that back in the comics.
Agreed. Neither Buffy nor Angel translate well into comics. I enjoy the pacing of the dialog in the show. Such pacing does not exist in comic form.
I've also come to the opinion that the budget constraints of the show kept them from actually doing some of the stupider things they may have thought of. Nothing seems to be holding that back in the comics.
The comic version of shows tends to do that. And then if necessary its declared non-cannon. If Buffy were to ever come back I'm sure she would be de-lesbianized and such.
Agreed. Neither Buffy nor Angel translate well into comics. I enjoy the pacing of the dialog in the show. Such pacing does not exist in comic form.
I've also come to the opinion that the budget constraints of the show kept them from actually doing some of the stupider things they may have thought of. Nothing seems to be holding that back in the comics.
The comic version of shows tends to do that. And then if necessary its declared non-cannon. If Buffy were to ever come back I'm sure she would be de-lesbianized and such.
Wait, Buffy's a lesbian now?? WTF?
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I predict that this thread title will prove to be eerily prophetic
She's not really gay, so much as bi-curious. She was getting hard up for some loving, and the only guy around was Zander. So she started boffing one of the slayer-ettes.
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She's not really gay, so much as bi-curious. She was getting hard up for some loving, and the only guy around was Zander. So she started boffing one of the slayer-ettes.
I think the Buffy comic holds up better, but I do agree that the dramatic increase in the scope of Buffy and Angel's adventures make the two comics feel like huge departures from their respective series.
Also, since the characters have severed all ties to mundane life, it's harder to relate to them.
I think the Buffy comic holds up better, but I do agree that the dramatic increase in the scope of Buffy and Angel's adventures make the two comics feel like huge departures from their respective series.
Also, since the characters have severed all ties to mundane life, it's harder to relate to them.
I think this is what really hurt Buffy past like S4. (or even past S3)
She didn't feel like she was living anything close to a normal young persons life at all. She just Slayed, full time. And everyone else helped her. Full time. Real life was incidental.
Angel never really ran into this problem imo cause the whole show was kinda built from the start around these people being isolated from the real world in their weird little bubble.
After 4 years of BSG I can't take these promo shots seriously. I just glance at them and say "Wow, Galactica scrubs up real nice with some hardwood floors. Helo, nice suit!"
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Buffy was trying to relate to the real world all the way through Season 6 and partway into Season 7. She was a fast food cashier, for god's sake. Then she was a school counselor. The "How do I manage to lead a life when I have to slay?" thing was pronounced through the show's run - it just went from the demands of a high-school girl, to the demands of a college girl, to the demands of an autonomous adult.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
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Buffy was trying to relate to the real world all the way through Season 6 and partway into Season 7. She was a fast food cashier, for god's sake. Then she was a school counselor. The "How do I manage to lead a life when I have to slay?" thing was pronounced through the show's run - it just went from the demands of a high-school girl, to the demands of a college girl, to the demands of an autonomous adult.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
I can only wonder what happens when Dawn has a heavy flow day.
I think the Buffy comic holds up better, but I do agree that the dramatic increase in the scope of Buffy and Angel's adventures make the two comics feel like huge departures from their respective series.
Also, since the characters have severed all ties to mundane life, it's harder to relate to them.
I think this is what really hurt Buffy past like S4. (or even past S3)
She didn't feel like she was living anything close to a normal young persons life at all. She just Slayed, full time. And everyone else helped her. Full time. Real life was incidental.
Angel never really ran into this problem imo cause the whole show was kinda built from the start around these people being isolated from the real world in their weird little bubble.
For me, the going to school or having a 9-5 wasn't important. It was the relationships between the characters and how it felt more like a real friendship than what you usually see from bands of people fighting evil.
Having the characters sit around in their meeting place and talk about the big bad or whatever while making quips pretty much encapsulated what I liked about the shows, and I just don't see that in the comics now.
Buffy was trying to relate to the real world all the way through Season 6 and partway into Season 7. She was a fast food cashier, for god's sake. Then she was a school counselor. The "How do I manage to lead a life when I have to slay?" thing was pronounced through the show's run - it just went from the demands of a high-school girl, to the demands of a college girl, to the demands of an autonomous adult.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
I can only wonder what happens when Dawn has a heavy flow day.
:winky:
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Buffy was trying to relate to the real world all the way through Season 6 and partway into Season 7. She was a fast food cashier, for god's sake. Then she was a school counselor. The "How do I manage to lead a life when I have to slay?" thing was pronounced through the show's run - it just went from the demands of a high-school girl, to the demands of a college girl, to the demands of an autonomous adult.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
I can only wonder what happens when Dawn has a heavy flow day.
Like a red oil spill.
Also, there's a tsunami. Lots of dead Indonisians.
Buffy was trying to relate to the real world all the way through Season 6 and partway into Season 7. She was a fast food cashier, for god's sake. Then she was a school counselor. The "How do I manage to lead a life when I have to slay?" thing was pronounced through the show's run - it just went from the demands of a high-school girl, to the demands of a college girl, to the demands of an autonomous adult.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
I can only wonder what happens when Dawn has a heavy flow day.
Like a red oil spill.
Also, there's a tsunami. Lots of dead Indonisians.
We have discovered the origin of the red tide phenomenon
I mean, have you read that premise? If people didn't take to Firefly how are they supposed to take to that
Then again, how could anyone not take to "Cowboys and Courtesans... in Space!"?
Right, because we all know how well that turned out. A group of devoted fans does not a successful series make. I figure Dollhouse has 4 weeks and it's done. They'll replace it with some game show that costs a third as much to make and will get 3 times as many viewers.
Well, reviews for the first episode have been up for a while, and one of the things they all seem to mention is the surprising lack of the usual Whedon humor.
Oh maybe I'm misunderstanding there's still normal humor there then?
Well, I'd really like to know what "suprising lack" means. Is it totally devoid, or just a lower content? Because Firefly's first episode was pretty low on the humor-to-drama scale too.
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I predict that this thread title will prove to be eerily prophetic
even in a world infused with obama-hope, it's been obvious to pretty much everyone from the beginning that this will be getting canceled within 4 episodes. I haven't let myself get excited about it.
I predict that this thread title will prove to be eerily prophetic
even in a world infused with obama-hope, it's been obvious to pretty much everyone from the beginning that this will be getting canceled within 4 episodes. I haven't let myself get excited about it.
I'm starting to wonder if I should wait four or five weeks, then catch up. So I don't get my hopes up, since I fully expect to love the show.
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I never got excited over this because the premise sounds really stupid. Then again, the first time I saw a trailer for Firefly I thought it looked like the most retarded crap ever and it turned out to be an absolutely brilliant show.
Also, I've developed a completely irrational hatred towards Eliza Dushku. I have no idea what's up with that, but the moment she appeared on the screen in Buffy I wanted to punch her and the feeling persists even to this day. There's just something about that face of hers that rubs me the wrong way.
All his shows sound stupid when boiled down to their core premise. Blonde valley-girl turns the tables on vampires, and hunts them! Vampire with a soul fights evil lawyers in Los Angeles. Cowboys in space. Musical about a supervillain.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, the network has virtually promised to give it 13 episodes even if the ratings suck. They even gave Firefly that much. Seems like it would have to be astonishingly unsuccessful to get canceled before then.
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She's not really gay, so much as bi-curious. She was getting hard up for some loving, and the only guy around was Zander. So she started boffing one of the slayer-ettes.
Oh that poor guy, he'll never get Buffy lovin'.
True, but he got with Cordie. And Anya. And at least made out with Willow. All of whom are hotter than Buffy by a significant margin. It's an unusual show when the gorgeous central character is the fourth or fifth hottest woman.
She's not really gay, so much as bi-curious. She was getting hard up for some loving, and the only guy around was Zander. So she started boffing one of the slayer-ettes.
Oh that poor guy, he'll never get Buffy lovin'.
True, but he got with Cordie. And Anya. And at least made out with Willow. All of whom are hotter than Buffy by a significant margin. It's an unusual show when the gorgeous central character is the fourth or fifth hottest woman.
He got with Faith too. Actually, she popped his cherry. That was an awesome episode.
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As mentioned earlier in the thread, the network has virtually promised to give it 13 episodes even if the ratings suck. They even gave Firefly that much. Seems like it would have to be astonishingly unsuccessful to get canceled before then.
Are you doubting the network's ability to fuck a show over?
I'm just curious as to what they had to promise Joss to get him even speaking to Fox after Firefly. I seem to recall some rather hard feelings after that.
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Not even close. Angel S5 is not a cliff-hanger, it's an "Everyone Dies" ending.
Adam and the Initiative are stopped in the penultimate episode, the finale was aaaaall setup.
Joss would disagree with that, considering he's kept the story going past that point much like Buffy, in comic form.
Both of which kinda suck.
Angel S5 is an ending that you could, potentially, continue on afterwards. But that applies to the ending of almost any story. It's still and ending, not a cliff-hanger.
The finale wasn't setup, the finale was sort of a one-off, with some resolution for the characters combined with a bit of foreshadowing.
Agreed. Neither Buffy nor Angel translate well into comics. I enjoy the pacing of the dialog in the show. Such pacing does not exist in comic form.
I've also come to the opinion that the budget constraints of the show kept them from actually doing some of the stupider things they may have thought of. Nothing seems to be holding that back in the comics.
The comic version of shows tends to do that. And then if necessary its declared non-cannon. If Buffy were to ever come back I'm sure she would be de-lesbianized and such.
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Wait, Buffy's a lesbian now?? WTF?
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Oh that poor guy, he'll never get Buffy lovin'.
Also, since the characters have severed all ties to mundane life, it's harder to relate to them.
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I think this is what really hurt Buffy past like S4. (or even past S3)
She didn't feel like she was living anything close to a normal young persons life at all. She just Slayed, full time. And everyone else helped her. Full time. Real life was incidental.
Angel never really ran into this problem imo cause the whole show was kinda built from the start around these people being isolated from the real world in their weird little bubble.
Also, I like the Buffy comics, though they do stray from the formula substantially. And yeah, I guess 100-foot-tall Dawn is a bit silly. But I think it works, for what it is.
I can only wonder what happens when Dawn has a heavy flow day.
For me, the going to school or having a 9-5 wasn't important. It was the relationships between the characters and how it felt more like a real friendship than what you usually see from bands of people fighting evil.
Having the characters sit around in their meeting place and talk about the big bad or whatever while making quips pretty much encapsulated what I liked about the shows, and I just don't see that in the comics now.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Like a red oil spill.
Also, there's a tsunami. Lots of dead Indonisians.
We have discovered the origin of the red tide phenomenon
As for Dollhouse. It certainly doesn't grab me...but I'm curious enough and have faith in Whedon to watch a season
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I mean, have you read that premise? If people didn't take to Firefly how are they supposed to take to that
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It's about an American woman that has sex and shoots guns. That usually seals the deal for most of you guys, right?
Right, because we all know how well that turned out. A group of devoted fans does not a successful series make. I figure Dollhouse has 4 weeks and it's done. They'll replace it with some game show that costs a third as much to make and will get 3 times as many viewers.
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Oh maybe I'm misunderstanding there's still normal humor there then?
Well, I'd really like to know what "suprising lack" means. Is it totally devoid, or just a lower content? Because Firefly's first episode was pretty low on the humor-to-drama scale too.
even in a world infused with obama-hope, it's been obvious to pretty much everyone from the beginning that this will be getting canceled within 4 episodes. I haven't let myself get excited about it.
I'm starting to wonder if I should wait four or five weeks, then catch up. So I don't get my hopes up, since I fully expect to love the show.
Also, I've developed a completely irrational hatred towards Eliza Dushku. I have no idea what's up with that, but the moment she appeared on the screen in Buffy I wanted to punch her and the feeling persists even to this day. There's just something about that face of hers that rubs me the wrong way.
True, but he got with Cordie. And Anya. And at least made out with Willow. All of whom are hotter than Buffy by a significant margin. It's an unusual show when the gorgeous central character is the fourth or fifth hottest woman.
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He got with Faith too. Actually, she popped his cherry. That was an awesome episode.
I'm just curious as to what they had to promise Joss to get him even speaking to Fox after Firefly. I seem to recall some rather hard feelings after that.