Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Nobody actually believes we are drinking real blood.
It is religious symbolism and nothing more.
fucking of course Jesus did not bleed wine.
He bled Jamaican Rum actually. Remnants of it were found on the head of the spear of destiny.
Recent archeological finds near the historical Golgotha have determined that Jesus was not actually crucified as the Bible depicts
rather he was devoured alive by the Apostles in the moments immediately following the last supper because, ironically, he was just tasty as hell.
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the only thing that makes a theist a theist is a belief in a god
HOLY SHIT LOOK WHAT I DID THERE
PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN THEIR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION
MORE AT 11
i didn't..........
i give up
(still love you though)
If you concede this point, then I don't understand why you're being condescending/angry toward religious belief.
My point with the Stalin thing was that people don't need religion to do heinous shit, and saying that heinous shit is worse when committed by religious nuts is hells of retarded.
honestly the main thing that really bugs me is that people believe in things like jesus coming back from the dead or praying works and things like that that are to my eyes clearly impossible
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
if i didn't pick fights i wouldn't get to enjoy sarukun being a dumpy dipshit
Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Nobody actually believes we are drinking real blood.
It is religious symbolism and nothing more.
fucking of course Jesus did not bleed wine.
He bled Jamaican Rum actually. Remnants of it were found on the head of the spear of destiny.
Recent archeological finds near the historical Golgotha have determined that Jesus was not actually crucified as the Bible depicts
rather he was devoured alive by the Apostles in the moments immediately following the last supper because, ironically, he was just tasty as hell.
Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Shut up.
Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?
If in Catholic school they taught you that you drink actual blood every Sunday because of magic, then I posit you did not actually go to Catholic school.
I'm pretty sure that literal transubstantiation is actual Catholic doctrine, actually. It was a big sticking point during the protestant reformation.
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Shut up.
Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?
If in Catholic school they taught you that you drink actual blood every Sunday because of magic, then I posit you did not actually go to Catholic school.
I'm pretty sure that literal transubstantiation is actual Catholic doctrine, actually. It was a big sticking point during the protestant reformation.
Yeah, but see Christians are allowed to pick and choose which parts of their doctrine are literal and which are interpretive.
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Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Shut up.
Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?
If in Catholic school they taught you that you drink actual blood every Sunday because of magic, then I posit you did not actually go to Catholic school.
I'm pretty sure that literal transubstantiation is actual Catholic doctrine, actually. It was a big sticking point during the protestant reformation.
the only thing that makes a theist a theist is a belief in a god
HOLY SHIT LOOK WHAT I DID THERE
PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN THEIR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION
MORE AT 11
i didn't..........
i give up
(still love you though)
If you concede this point, then I don't understand why you're being condescending/angry toward religious belief.
My point with the Stalin thing was that people don't need religion to do heinous shit, and saying that heinous shit is worse when committed by religious nuts is hells of retarded.
honestly the main thing that really bugs me is that people believe in things like jesus coming back from the dead or praying works and things like that that are to my eyes clearly impossible
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Because it makes them feel good? Because it's a part of their culture? Because it helps them look for meaning in their own lives?
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
I would agree, man. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes; if you were brought up from the day you were born to believe this was true, you would almost certainly believe it. And once you have fully initiated yourself into that belief, along with the entire worldwide group of people that will continuously validate you, it can be pretty hard to flip a switch and go "Oh wait, that's all a lie, life is actually random, and I am going to die one day, forever."
honestly the main thing that really bugs me is that people believe in things like jesus coming back from the dead or praying works and things like that that are to my eyes clearly impossible
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Now you're just being small minded.
People that subscribe to a set of religious beliefs have any number of reasons to believe. Solid, actual, secular, social, cultural reasons that you probably aren't in much of a position to understand, let alone judge.
Jesus never bled wine. Catholics believe that the wine is "transubstantiated" into his blood during the consecration. This is a literal belief and is almost certainly the most ridiculous thing about Catholicism.
Shut up.
Look, dude, I went to Catholic school for thirteen years, can't you let me feel like the reams of sacramental knowledge I have are of some use to anyone, anywhere, ever?
If in Catholic school they taught you that you drink actual blood every Sunday because of magic, then I posit you did not actually go to Catholic school.
I'm pretty sure that literal transubstantiation is actual Catholic doctrine, actually. It was a big sticking point during the protestant reformation.
Yeah, but see Christians are allowed to pick and choose which parts of their doctrine are literal and which are interpretive.
Sure you are allowed to do so, but if you don't believe in transubstantiation, you aren't Catholic.
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
1) Why?
2) Empirical evidence isn't the only kind of inquiry humans make into their lives and surroundings, and holding only to empirical evidence when making decisions or thinking about the universe strikes many people as unfulfilling.
Saying that it shouldn't strike them as unfulfilling is kinda missing the point.
Because it makes them feel good? Because it's a part of their culture? Because it helps them look for meaning in their own lives?
culture i can understand, people ain't always got access to knowledge beyond what they're raised with
but when you have no excuse not to know that people do not magically come back from the dead, that the idea of a person transmuting food with a touch is so unlikely as to be beyond the realm of consideration, i mean....
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
I would agree, man. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes; if you were brought up from the day you were born to believe this was true, you would almost certainly believe it. And once you have fully initiated yourself into that belief, along with the entire worldwide group of people that will continuously validate you, it can be pretty hard to flip a switch and go "Oh wait, that's all a lie, life is actually random, and I am going to die one day, forever."
"What is true" is a Goddamned loaded phrase to begin with.
If you're talking about "what is factual" that's one thing. "What is true" is a bullshit sentence that Man has wrestled with since the dawn of civilization, and some snot-nosed teenager with a total lack of respect for differeing points of view isn't about to break any new ground there.
So long as you don't attempt to foist your beliefs upon me, I'm all about live and let live. Someone wants to believe in religion, that's up to them and all the power to them, right up until they start using it as an excuse to infringe upon my own rights.
I was raised Catholic and, over time, came to become more agnostic than anything else. I don't believe that whether God does or does not exist is really all that important of a question, since I've always felt that you should treat other people well regardless of if there's some big cosmic balance sheet. If it helps people to believe in an afterlife and such, however, all the power to them.
Because it makes them feel good? Because it's a part of their culture? Because it helps them look for meaning in their own lives?
culture i can understand, people ain't always got access to knowledge beyond what they're raised with
but when you have no excuse not to know that people do not magically come back from the dead, that the idea of a person transmuting food with a touch is so unlikely as to be beyond the realm of consideration, i mean....
Fuck you. You don't have even a rudimentary understanding of the concept of "culture".
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
1) Why?
2) Empirical evidence isn't the only kind of inquiry humans make into their lives and surroundings, and holding only to empirical evidence when making decisions or thinking about the universe strikes many people as unfulfilling.
Saying that it shouldn't strike them as unfulfilling is kinda missing the point.
The truth is the truth. Isn't that a good enough reason?
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i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
1) Why?
2) Empirical evidence isn't the only kind of inquiry humans make into their lives and surroundings, and holding only to empirical evidence when making decisions or thinking about the universe strikes many people as unfulfilling.
Saying that it shouldn't strike them as unfulfilling is kinda missing the point.
The truth is the truth. Isn't that a good enough reason?
"What is true" is a Goddamned loaded phrase to begin with.
If you're talking about "what is factual" that's one thing. "What is true" is a bullshit sentence that Man has wrestled with since the dawn of civilization
I was honestly just looking to get a more in depth look at what fallout believes. I think it's interesting.
If anyone's interested in a really detailed explanation of Transubstantiation (the conversion of bread and wine into the Eucharist), check out this article at the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It's a subject that has had books devoted to it, and it's fairly complex in its philosophy. However, the basic idea is that the "essence" of the bread and wine is transformed, while the physical properties of the objects remain the same.
Transubstantiation, however, is not a conversion simply so called, but a substantial conversion (conversio substantialis), inasmuch as one thing is substantially or essentially converted into another. Thus from the concept of Transubstantiation is excluded every sort of merely accidental conversion, whether it be purely natural (e.g. the metamorphosis of insects) or supernatural (e.g. the Transfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor). Finally, Transubstantiation differs from every other substantial conversion in this, that only the substance is converted into another — the accidents remaining the same — just as would be the case if wood were miraculously converted into iron, the substance of the iron remaining hidden under the external appearance of the wood.
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These threads are always terrible.
And I have no idea what to give up. Fish?
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If anyone's interested in a really detailed explanation of Transubstantiation (the conversion of bread and wine into the Eucharist), check out this article at the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It's a subject that has had books devoted to it, and it's fairly complex in its philosophy. However, the basic idea is that the "essence" of the bread and wine is transformed, while the physical properties of the objects remain the same.
Transubstantiation, however, is not a conversion simply so called, but a substantial conversion (conversio substantialis), inasmuch as one thing is substantially or essentially converted into another. Thus from the concept of Transubstantiation is excluded every sort of merely accidental conversion, whether it be purely natural (e.g. the metamorphosis of insects) or supernatural (e.g. the Transfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor). Finally, Transubstantiation differs from every other substantial conversion in this, that only the substance is converted into another — the accidents remaining the same — just as would be the case if wood were miraculously converted into iron, the substance of the iron remaining hidden under the external appearance of the wood.
That is a lot of words when you could just say "symbolism".
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
I would agree, man. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes; if you were brought up from the day you were born to believe this was true, you would almost certainly believe it. And once you have fully initiated yourself into that belief, along with the entire worldwide group of people that will continuously validate you, it can be pretty hard to flip a switch and go "Oh wait, that's all a lie, life is actually random, and I am going to die one day, forever."
dude, i know religious people real life, i promise
yeah, like i said, it's difficult to blame someone for believing something that they were raised to believe
never said life was random, though
and death is hard to deal with. all the pets i've had that died, family members, my friends, all of them are dead and i will never see them again. i'm going to die, my parents are going to die, and so is every single other organism on the planet. eventually everything will die and the entire history of human accomplishment will be gone. it's really hard to deal with and i don't really know how, but I think that just telling yourself everything will be okay because you're going to see everyone you love again is taking the easy way out.
If anyone's interested in a really detailed explanation of Transubstantiation (the conversion of bread and wine into the Eucharist), check out this article at the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It's a subject that has had books devoted to it, and it's fairly complex in its philosophy. However, the basic idea is that the "essence" of the bread and wine is transformed, while the physical properties of the objects remain the same.
Transubstantiation, however, is not a conversion simply so called, but a substantial conversion (conversio substantialis), inasmuch as one thing is substantially or essentially converted into another. Thus from the concept of Transubstantiation is excluded every sort of merely accidental conversion, whether it be purely natural (e.g. the metamorphosis of insects) or supernatural (e.g. the Transfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor). Finally, Transubstantiation differs from every other substantial conversion in this, that only the substance is converted into another — the accidents remaining the same — just as would be the case if wood were miraculously converted into iron, the substance of the iron remaining hidden under the external appearance of the wood.
Which I guess is the same as saying that it doesn't change at all?
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I am being serious.
Recent archeological finds near the historical Golgotha have determined that Jesus was not actually crucified as the Bible depicts
rather he was devoured alive by the Apostles in the moments immediately following the last supper because, ironically, he was just tasty as hell.
honestly the main thing that really bugs me is that people believe in things like jesus coming back from the dead or praying works and things like that that are to my eyes clearly impossible
i mean why would anyone believe in something they don't have a reason to believe in?
if i didn't pick fights i wouldn't get to enjoy sarukun being a dumpy dipshit
jk lol
Bahahaha, nice.
you fucking monster
there are soup kitchens here!!!
[Zombie Last Supper image goes here]
I'm pretty sure that literal transubstantiation is actual Catholic doctrine, actually. It was a big sticking point during the protestant reformation.
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Maybe it's just me, but "you are not temporary, you have an immortal soul, you have a creator that loves you, and if you are a good person you will live forever with him in perfect happiness" seems pretty goddamn persuasive.
Maybe SF hates the fillet-o-fish
Is it white guilt?
White guilt has destroyed the fillet-o-fish
i think what is true is more important than what is comforting
I do not
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Yeah, but see Christians are allowed to pick and choose which parts of their doctrine are literal and which are interpretive.
I really don't know but yes the fillet-o-fish sandwich is very real. It's been around for decades.
Because it makes them feel good? Because it's a part of their culture? Because it helps them look for meaning in their own lives?
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I would agree, man. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes; if you were brought up from the day you were born to believe this was true, you would almost certainly believe it. And once you have fully initiated yourself into that belief, along with the entire worldwide group of people that will continuously validate you, it can be pretty hard to flip a switch and go "Oh wait, that's all a lie, life is actually random, and I am going to die one day, forever."
Now you're just being small minded.
People that subscribe to a set of religious beliefs have any number of reasons to believe. Solid, actual, secular, social, cultural reasons that you probably aren't in much of a position to understand, let alone judge.
Sure you are allowed to do so, but if you don't believe in transubstantiation, you aren't Catholic.
1) Why?
2) Empirical evidence isn't the only kind of inquiry humans make into their lives and surroundings, and holding only to empirical evidence when making decisions or thinking about the universe strikes many people as unfulfilling.
Saying that it shouldn't strike them as unfulfilling is kinda missing the point.
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culture i can understand, people ain't always got access to knowledge beyond what they're raised with
but when you have no excuse not to know that people do not magically come back from the dead, that the idea of a person transmuting food with a touch is so unlikely as to be beyond the realm of consideration, i mean....
"What is true" is a Goddamned loaded phrase to begin with.
If you're talking about "what is factual" that's one thing. "What is true" is a bullshit sentence that Man has wrestled with since the dawn of civilization, and some snot-nosed teenager with a total lack of respect for differeing points of view isn't about to break any new ground there.
I was raised Catholic and, over time, came to become more agnostic than anything else. I don't believe that whether God does or does not exist is really all that important of a question, since I've always felt that you should treat other people well regardless of if there's some big cosmic balance sheet. If it helps people to believe in an afterlife and such, however, all the power to them.
Fuck you. You don't have even a rudimentary understanding of the concept of "culture".
The truth is the truth. Isn't that a good enough reason?
I was honestly just looking to get a more in depth look at what fallout believes. I think it's interesting.
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but not because of lent
i just like the fish fillet it's pretty good
there i just saved you some time
I think everybody can get behind the gods of anger and metal.
It's a subject that has had books devoted to it, and it's fairly complex in its philosophy. However, the basic idea is that the "essence" of the bread and wine is transformed, while the physical properties of the objects remain the same.
And I have no idea what to give up. Fish?
That is a lot of words when you could just say "symbolism".
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dude, i know religious people real life, i promise
yeah, like i said, it's difficult to blame someone for believing something that they were raised to believe
never said life was random, though
and death is hard to deal with. all the pets i've had that died, family members, my friends, all of them are dead and i will never see them again. i'm going to die, my parents are going to die, and so is every single other organism on the planet. eventually everything will die and the entire history of human accomplishment will be gone. it's really hard to deal with and i don't really know how, but I think that just telling yourself everything will be okay because you're going to see everyone you love again is taking the easy way out.
Which I guess is the same as saying that it doesn't change at all?
whoa now, let's be clear here
only the ultra-stanky-danky-dankiest nugz
Men.
Heat death.