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[WoW] [Raiding] is way too easy

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Ah yeah I forgot about the HT glyph thing he was talking about.

    The melee are definitely always sitting a lot higher than the ranged... Maybe we'll try making sure no one has HL glyphed, and drop other things one at a time. It seems really tricky to balance enough passive healing to keep people alive while also not keeping them too high.

    Oh and that reminds me. Is PoM okay in phase 3 because it's smart, or we should assume PC targets are getting healed up and thus PoM would be healing people who are low and shouldn't be getting extra heals?

    riz on
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Blizzard hates healers.

    forty on
  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    So i was doing ony 25 the other day and 10 seconds into phase one there are 2 dragonkin adds.

    yeah turns out the trash somehow respawned and were now killing healers. OK... no idea how that happened. next pull we tell the OTs to stand near the entrance.

    Adds spawn but don't engage, they seem to be just standing there probably evade bugging. We wipe due to a bad phase 3 transition as a few people get cleaved.

    Third try the adds spawn I can see them running in and they just disappears before they get close.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Ha! Funny enough I really like the fight; It's challenging without being RNG. (aside from the rare targeting weirdness in the kite phase)

    We don't use PoM, (OK, I probably shoot some off just out of habit occasionally) everyone should have passive healing of some sort to hold them just above death. JoL for melee/hunters; Glyphed Healing Stream and Vampiric Embrace for ranged. I keep Holy Nova Rank 5ish bound in case our Shaman dies (Healing group) and we lose Healing Stream for a moment.

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Yeah... I wasn't using PoM but the holy priest was, we just couldn't decide whether it was more help or harm at that point.

    riz on
  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Format, those adds spawn when you pull Ony. They are basically the door for Ony's fight instead of a real door. Just make sure everyone runs in with your tank and no one gets too far back.

    shadowane on
  • RaakamRaakam Too many years... CanadalandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I need to find a guild that's not given up on progression. We're done ToC25, and there is zero desire in the group to try ToGC25, or even ToGC10. Blargh, so lame.

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  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    shadowane wrote: »
    Format, those adds spawn when you pull Ony. They are basically the door for Ony's fight instead of a real door. Just make sure everyone runs in with your tank and no one gets too far back.


    makes sense. i have been doing ony pretty much twice a week since it was re released and never ran into this before

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Nambkab wrote: »
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/203/

    That link has both our first Anub kill 2 weeks ago, and the kill from last week. Due to a strange attendance issue this week we haven't killed him yet for this lockout.

    Thanks, much appreciated.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Ive noticed that pugging 25 man Onyxia is a crapshoot. Either:

    A. You get 24 of the baddest pipe hittin motherfuckers on the server and you oneshot her within 40 seconds

    or

    B. Get 24 of the most incapable mouthbreathers who are akin to kittens in the way the jump and swat at her tail before being promptly rocketed into a pile of whelps

    There doesnt seem to be an inbetween here. Worse yet my last 3 pugs have been of the "B" variety :(

    I get both of these type. Group A for 10-mans, Group B for 25-mans.

    If you know some of the right people, there's some SERIOUSLY good pseudo-PUGs that run on my server. Usually for 10 man only though. There's been tons of times we've gotten Ony down so fast we've still got the 1st or 2nd add up and she hasn't deep breathed.

    And then the 25 mans ......

    The last one a few days ago, we were down to 10 people by the time phase 3 got settled and the dying had stopped. One of the DPS was laughing about us 10-maning 25-man Ony. Hilariously, it was the perfect mix for it too. 2 tanks, 2 healers, 6 DPS. Took AGES though.

    We had one healer healing the tank and a Druid dropping hots on everyone and keeping me alive while I soloed 30-odd whelps some bunch of idiots had pulled while dying.

    Was fun times though.

    shryke on
  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I usually deny people loot in 25man Ony pugs if I saw them die to something stupidly. If I'm the RL that is.

    Like if they die to a deep breath, or they get tailwhipped into whelps and Ony wasn't moving when it happened.

    Dhalphir on
  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Do you warn them of that before they join the raid?

    riz on
  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Even at max-melee range, it's possible to get feared in a straight line to her tail. :x (I've watched it happen to someone)

    Of course, it's made worse that most melee don't even stick to max range.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    It's extremely possible to get feared into her tail.

    I've seen groups of people get feared into her face (cleave death) and feared into her tail (oh shit not the whelps)

    It's hard to fault someone for getting fearfucked on ony.

    Munkus Beaver on
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  • DacDac Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I've been feared into a cleave.

    Not fun times. D:

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  • CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I've been in a raid where Ony has feared, and then she cleaved when facing like half the raid.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Something we've found helps keep fear from causing crazy problems is to tank her against a side in phase 3 rather than the old level 60 middle position. With a 10/25 man raid, you can have everybody on one side, and with her huge hitbox you can hit her almost accross the cave. Melee are no better off, but at least ranged and healers are far enough out that they're probably not going to get feared into the death zones, and if she gets turned and cleaves, ranged should be far enough in front of her not to get hit.

    Doesn't do anything for if she breathes while turned, but I haven't seen her breathe during a fear so far, not sure if she just doesn't breathe right after a fear or if I'm just lucky.

    Hevach on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    She can breathe after a fear. Or during one, I'm pretty sure. Faaaairly certain I've seen her rumble the ground and then immediately rear back to bring firey death

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    It's extremely possible to get feared into her tail.

    I've seen groups of people get feared into her face (cleave death) and feared into her tail (oh shit not the whelps)

    It's hard to fault someone for getting fearfucked on ony.

    thats why i specified stupidly

    if someone dies to ANYTHING in phase 1 thats pretty much a stupid death

    Dhalphir on
  • DkarrdeDkarrde Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    We had an entertaining time our last Ony-25 kill where the tank -- for reasons unclear -- spun Ony around twice while getting her to her position. She effectively whirlwinded the raid. I had a tough time stopping my laughing enough to accept the battle rez.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I've done that with Sartharion a few times. See how many of the raid I can kill with one breath before they dodge out of the frontal cone. My record is 13.

    Dhalphir on
  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Yeah I love getting feared into a cleave. She should just not cleave for a second or two during and after a fear. :\

    riz on
  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    *FEAR*

    "Oh god! Oh no oh no oh no please god not the tail/face!"

    *Miss*

    ... Whew!

    Forar on
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    If people really wanted a taste of vanilla, then the cleave would chain.

    Good job, you did phase 1 and 2 perfectly! Phase 3 is going great! 5% left!

    Whoops one person got feared 3 feet too close to the cleave. Now everybody dies.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Watching/hearing the cleave bounce on Vael was a sphincter tightening moment.

    One of the melee wandered a little too close to the tanks, and now for some reason a bunch of the casters on the other side of the god damned room are dead.

    Forar on
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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    Watching/hearing the cleave bounce on Vael was a sphincter tightening moment.

    One of the melee wandered a little too close to the tanks, and now for some reason a bunch of the casters on the other side of the god damned room are dead.

    Fun times.

    Thomamelas on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Killing Vael for the first time is probably my biggest "Fuck YA!" moment in this entire game.

    Fuck that boss to hell.

    shryke on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    The thing about killing vael for the first time is that it feels a lot like killing vael for the fifth time.

    Or the twelfth time.

    Munkus Beaver on
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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    The thing about killing vael for the first time is that it feels a lot like killing vael for the fifth time.

    Or the twelfth time.

    Too true.

    Vael actually destroyed my guild back in Vanilla.

    We went from clearing BWL to not being able to kill Vael again. And then the guild died within about a day.

    shryke on
  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Vael didn't kill my guild, but at least one of our darkest raid nights involved that asshole.

    We'd been clearing BWL for months at this point, it was, as they say, "on farm", but after a smooth start, we hit a brick wall and spent like 2 hours on Vael. It didn't help that the raid leader decided to be a bit of a jackass to make a point, which I disagreed with entirely. I believe we ended up calling the raid, came back the next day and wrecked the entire instance.

    That said, I was Alliance, and thus, hax*.

    (Or at least Hax that Will of the Hax couldn't outhax)
    Hax

    Forar on
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    Vael was a constant source of frustration for me, because I was a DPS warrior and I was forced to tank on that fight.

    Not that I was mad that I was tanking, I was mad that the two other guys who had been geared as offtanks failed so bad that I had to tank IN LIEU of them tanking.

    Because one of them refused to use execute.

    It's a very, very simple process on how you win the threat on Vael. You spam execute, and if you are next in line, you put heroic strike in your queue up. I couldn't convince either of them to do this because they said "Your DPS gear is better, you're going to hit harder."

    It was execute. On Vael.

    That's not how it harglebarglenow I'm foaming at the mouth again.

    Munkus Beaver on
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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    The thing about killing vael for the first time is that it feels a lot like killing vael for the fifth time.

    Or the twelfth time.

    What? Vael got way easier once we had killed it once. He was a huge cockblock at first, since initially we didn't have enough raid dps.

    Razorgore, OTOH... We still had trouble on Razorgore when we had Nef on farm.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Vael was a constant source of frustration for me, because I was a DPS warrior and I was forced to tank on that fight.

    Not that I was mad that I was tanking, I was mad that the two other guys who had been geared as offtanks failed so bad that I had to tank IN LIEU of them tanking.

    Because one of them refused to use execute.

    It's a very, very simple process on how you win the threat on Vael. You spam execute, and if you are next in line, you put heroic strike in your queue up. I couldn't convince either of them to do this because they said "Your DPS gear is better, you're going to hit harder."

    It was execute. On Vael.

    That's not how it harglebarglenow I'm foaming at the mouth again.

    Wow. Even I'm getting angry and I'm only reading about it.

    shryke on
  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Our epic Vael story is, on our first fabled less-than-1% wipe, the sole warlock still alive was using Drain Soul. Because he liked to pretend he had a souvenir soul shard from our first kill of every boss. If he had been using ANYTHING BUT DRAIN SOUL for those last moments it would have died.

    Oh also our first Nef kill, where a resto shaman got the killing blow with her Aurastone Hammer because everyone else was dying and the RL yelled for healers to DPS to see if we could pull it out.

    riz on
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    End wrote: »
    The thing about killing vael for the first time is that it feels a lot like killing vael for the fifth time.

    Or the twelfth time.

    What? Vael got way easier once we had killed it once. He was a huge cockblock at first, since initially we didn't have enough raid dps.

    Razorscale, OTOH... We still had trouble on Razorscale when we had Nef on farm.

    Razorgore was always easy for my guild. :whistle:

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Razorgore was always easy for my guild. :whistle:

    Because they had you, like, soloing the damned encounter.

    Post it, Munkus. Doooo eeeet!

    I remember how good it felt to finally have the gear (and trust of the raid/guild) to tank one of the corners as a rogue. All joking about rogue tanking aside, you really aren't all that healing intensive when shit dies about as fast as it spawns.

    Forar on
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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Nooooo

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I played a resto druid, and Razorgore was a retarded fight for a healer, since you couldn't really heal much in p1.

    Edit: oops. I always mess up the names.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Razorscale: 2. Razorgore: 1.

    forty on
  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Hm, I used to mess up razorgore and rattlegore.

    Now I mess up razorscale and razorgore. :oops:

    Given the context of BWL, it should be obvious which boss I mean.

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