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Also, haha, the "one shall stand, one shall fall" line is super cheesy.
Yeah, I have to agree. It's a line from the original cartoon movie, we get it. And I'm not quite sure why, but Peter Cullen's voice just doesn't quite sound the same. I know he's the original voice actor, but Beast Wars did fine without him, and I just don't know that he needs to be used for every Prime.
I don't mind the neon, though. And I think it's really cool how the video shows that Cybertron itself is almost a transformer, with cover, roads, and ramps, that seem to be linked directly to the bots systems and appear when needed.
Devastator never had a combiner counterpart traditionally. His main two foes were the Dinobots and Omega Supreme.
Anyways, I don't think scale's ever been a major concern for the franchise. I remember reading the TFwiki article showing that properly scaled, Unicron was fighting Transformers the size of Denmark in the movie.
And man, that stupid goddamn face on Omega Supreme. They had Guardian robots without the 8-bit emoticon face. How can there be more than one person who thinks the face looks cool? It's the lamest looking thing.
I didn't say he never faught other combiners, (I mean, hell, he faught Decepticon combiners on more than one occasion) just that his main counterpoint was never a combiner. Superion was traditionally counterpointed with Menesar.(Autobot team of jets vs Decepticon team of cars),.
Also, the less said about the Dreamwave series, the better. They just needed something for Devastator to fight and picked Superion. It could have been any Autobot combinor team in Superion's place.
There's a difference between this being a scale issue, and flat-out putting transformers of different size catagories against each other. Omega Surpreme is supposed to be around the size of a gestalt (Like Devastator et. al.) give or take a bit. While Typticon is supposed to be many, many times large, literally dwarfing Omega Supreme in a similar way to how Omega dwarfs normal transformers. It'd be almost like taking Omega and making him the size of Prime or Megatron.
If they're that concerned with symmetry, use Trypticon and Metroplex. Don't decide you want to use Omega Surpreme and shoehorn in another character that isn't on the same level to try and maintain a balance. I mean, if you want to be daring, don't even bother being symmetrical. Have Omega be there and have no direct Decepticon counterpart. But I guess you need to duplicate gameplay accross the two campaigns as much as possible :P
But like I said, this is just fanboy rantings that I'm playing up a little. Don't take me too seriously.
And yet Fort Max started off literally the same size as other characters in the comic.
Also, I'm not sure I get your point.. "Scale was shitty before due to poor quality control, so it should be shitty now?"
If I remember correctly, he's also portrayed as being signifcantly smaller than his original cartoon appearance when he shows up in Call of the Primitives.
I disagree there's no objective basis. The toys obviously have no accurate scale, being designed as playthings rather than accurate reprenstations of the characters. As such, objectively they don't factor into the scale issue. They're not supposed to represent scale.
And while scale was out of whack in the cartoon (The citybots were fairly absent from the comic. I think Trypiticon showed up once), you could still tell that Metroplex/Trypicton were much, much, much bigger than Omega Supreme was compared to how the other characters measured up. Yes, you'll never be able to give a specific figure of how much larger, but you don't need that figure to tell that Typiction would be huge compared to Omega. Omega Surpreme was wavered between like three times as tall as a normal character, to like 4-6 times as tall, whereas a normal character would barely even come up to Metroplex's ankle in even his smallest incarnation.
EDIT: I mean, without directly comparing every shot of the two characters ever, I guess if you took the absolutly largest interpretation of Omega ever, and the smallest interpetation of Trypticon ever, they might be of similar height, but that wouldn't be a very objective way to compare them. (Ideally you'd compare the averages, or compare the largest version of Typt vs the largest vs of Omega (or smallest vs smallest))
This video will hopefully clear up the confusion. The Aerialbots are tiny compared to Trypticon and Omega Supreme is obviously not that big. Trypticon is also enormous in Call of the Primitives. He had to transport all the primitives after all.
I will say that Metroplex isn't the most aesthetically pleasing TF. It looks like a generic humanoid, only supersized to match Trypticon. This might be the reason why they've gone for Omega Supreme who's infinitely cooler and more robotic if you will.
Also, I just noticed that Trypticon looks VERY humanoid, aside from the head.
I'm pumped about this game. What characters are you guys hoping make the cut?
As someone said earlier, it'd be awesome to play as Brawn and just run around punching the shit of the Decepticons as a superstrong, gung-ho midget.
Sideswipe has always been one of my favorites. I suspect the type of spot he'd fill will end up being taken by Jazz or Prowl, though.
I really hope Grimlock is a playable character.
EDIT: As a pretty big TF fan, it's pretty funny to listen to the IGN Rewind Theater commentary by two "HUGE TF FANZ" and just how wrong most of their assertions are.
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The Aerialbots are also tiny compared to Superion; combiners grow bigger when they do their thing. In, like, the one instance where Omega had to transport anyone in his rocket that was huge, too (although he shrank down in a hurry in robot mode).
Video of Trypticon being drawn way small (although there's a big difference in the first 6 seconds:
Crazy large Omega Supreme, at 1:27
How would you play a combiner in a Transformers game? I don't see why triple changers would be particularly difficult, though.
I hope they're able to stick in a lot of cameos and references to stuff like the special traits various G1 Transformers had.
There'd be generic presets, like mini-car, race car, truck, tank, and so on. From there, you're able to customize your character's appearance somewhat (change how the head looks, the shoulder armor, the colors, etc).
Then, as you play and level up, you're able to unlock access to more powerful weapons and abilities, ala MW2. You could get Mirage's invisibility, Skywarp's teleportation, Megatron's fusion cannon, Starscream's null rays, use Hound's holograms to make decoys of yourself, etc.
Prime, Sideswipe and Prowl were always my top three and there's a decent chance at having all three making it in there depending on the size of the roster.
Sadly, Metroplex won't exist for another four million or so years.
As for Trypticon, he's had smaller-yet-colossal forms before. If anything, it's more commonplace for him, at least in a Cybertronian context. I always just took it as Trypticon being upgraded to a genuine citybot later.
Also, the IGN article says the trailer isn't accurate for the size of those two guys, so...
I thought it might be possible they were fighting atop Omega Supreme, in some sort of battle platform mode. We don't really know what he turns into here...
I thought so, too. I don't think Trailbreaker has ever been blue, and Prime has always had the axe, not a mace.
On the other hand, I think they correctly called Starscream; all those dark colors and shadows, I thought it was Skywarp.
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Combiners aren't fit for playable characters but they could still make cool bosses.
Also, wasn't Trypticon built AFTER Metroplex in the toon?
As can be seen in the IGN preview or heard in the game informer video with one of the devs it draws most of its inspiration from G1 but isn't G1. WIth the leaks about tie-in novels (named Transformers Exodus) some think it may actually be a basis for the next iteration of the franchise (ie a prequel to the next cartoon) though that's speculations.
That was one of my favorite post movie episodes. That and the three part with Fortress Maximus & Skorponok (which was completely awesome when I was a kid)
Either way - I'm not offended by the scale of Omega / Trypticon. Depending on the source (comics, tv) both sizes vary greatly.
To be honest - I am just relieved that here we have a game that looks pretty damn authentic and awesome.
EDIT: Back to the video - so sad concorde is not around anymore.
EDIT: Game still looks awesome
Depends... if you take Scramble City as happening before the 1984 movie, then they were built at roughly the same time but Metroplex won their first battle and Tryp got put into stasis lock and needed repairs. Repairs made during 5 Faces of Doom (part 4 I believe).
Hell, you want fraked up continuity? Look at the Cronstructicons. Built by Megatron on Earth at the end of season 1, were friends with Omega back on Cybertron in Season 2, and they built Megatron in Season 3 (as seen during a history lesson in the Matrix).
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*Kup
*Springer (Car)
*Springer (Helicopter)
*Blurr
*etc.
Granted it's not a great solution, but it solves the issue of having an extra button command just for triple changers. Of course there are other solutions as well (ie. If in air, Springer becomes the helicopter, and if on ground he becomes the car. So if you want to be the helicopter jump and press the transform button).
All in all, I imagine triple changers and combiners aren't worth the additional work to the developers since there are only a handful of each that people really care about, and tons of regular Transformers they could use instead.
But instead we'll get Ironhide, Ratchet, Bumblebee, and Prime, just like always. Come on! Give us Grimlock, Wheeljack, Jetfire, Hound, Mirage...
Edit: Hey, I just noticed that the structure at 0:15 in the trailer seems to be a statue of a former Prime with a sword. Neato.
Metroplex seems to be Earth-built from continuity to continuity, while Trypticon seems to have existed on Cybertron well beforehand in Marvel G1, Dreamwave G1, and I think maybe IDW's G1. Cartoon G1, I think he was built after/around the same time, depending on how much value you give Japan's Scramble City.
...and I now see Nocren basically beat me to it.
Hmm, Sentinel Prime?
All those buttons, and yet...
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I'll be very disappointed if he isn't playable.
He's not. No triplechangers.
No, High Moon Studios, I do not want to fucking play as Ironhide and Ratchet.
I'm quite fine with the selection so far, sure, typical choices, but I wasn't expecting to play as dudes like Windcharger or Runabout
Right now I'm blinded by the pretty lights and the robot smashing, so I'm ignoring the potential flaws