I'm saying the movie was boring and stupid in my opinion. This is because it was just random events that were explained by Holmes at the end. I vastly prefer mysteries that could hypothetically be figured out by a very perceptive audience.
Geeze.
It could. All the occult shit was a mislead. In fact if you didn't think coma poision when he faked his death then I'd say you need to turn in your geek card
There's a difference between me guessing something because it is a pathetically tired trope and guessing something because there is actually something in the movie that allows an observant viewer to make intelligent guesses.
There was.
Not only that, 90% of it was all in the same scene.
Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
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As far as Watson not noticing a lack of neckmarks, I didn't feel that was an incredibly large blunder. He was checking for a pulse, not examining the body. He just saw him hanged, why would he expect something other than a dead body?
I'm saying the movie was boring and stupid in my opinion. This is because it was just random events that were explained by Holmes at the end. I vastly prefer mysteries that could hypothetically be figured out by a very perceptive audience.
Geeze.
It could. All the occult shit was a mislead. In fact if you didn't think coma poision when he faked his death then I'd say you need to turn in your geek card
There's a difference between me guessing something because it is a pathetically tired trope and guessing something because there is actually something in the movie that allows an observant viewer to make intelligent guesses.
There was.
Really? What exactly what the hint that allowed the intelligent observer to discern the method by which vampire-dude faked his death? I mean other than a two second shot of holmes holding a weird contraption that you have no idea what it is until holmes tells you what it is later.
Really? What exactly what the hint that allowed the intelligent observer to discern the method by which vampire-dude faked his death? I mean other than a two second shot of holmes holding a weird contraption that you have no idea what it is until holmes tells you what it is later.
That one is mostly up to a very long tradition of people faking deaths both in stories and in real life.
Really? What exactly what the hint that allowed the intelligent observer to discern the method by which vampire-dude faked his death? I mean other than a two second shot of holmes holding a weird contraption that you have no idea what it is until holmes tells you what it is later.
That one is mostly up to a very long tradition of people faking deaths both in stories and in real life.
That would make it "me guessing something because it's a pathetically tired trope" and not "guessing something because there is actually something in the movie that allows an observant viewer to make intelligent guesses." then? So you are agreeing with me?
Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
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Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
Like I've said before, the stuff that requires specific and random knowledge is still up to him to put out, but if you can still figure things out on your own at a pretty good clip.
Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries who first appeared in publication in 1887. He is the creation of Scottish author and physician Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.A brilliant London-based "consulting detective",Holmes is famous for his intellectual prowess and is renowned for his skillful use of astute observation, deductive reasoning and forensic skills to solve difficult cases.
Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
Like I've said before, the stuff that requires specific and random knowledge is still up to him to put out, but if you can still figure things out on your own at a pretty good clip.
Actually, the ones I remember give you everything you need to figure it out on your own. The motives might not be perfectly clear, but the data is all there. Sometimes it only showed him eliminating one possibility before showing the one that it was. (When the thief was digging a tunnel from a shop to a bank, in particular.)
My only complaint is that they seemed to have made him a bit more of an ass than he was in the novels. Granted, in those he was a touch too "gentlemanly."
I was also less than pleased with the fighting Holmes. At least, in the beginning he seemed a master fighter at times, then at other times, not so much.
Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
Like I've said before, the stuff that requires specific and random knowledge is still up to him to put out, but if you can still figure things out on your own at a pretty good clip.
Actually, the ones I remember give you everything you need to figure it out on your own. The motives might not be perfectly clear, but the data is all there. Sometimes it only showed him eliminating one possibility before showing the one that it was. (When the thief was digging a tunnel from a shop to a bank, in particular.)
My only complaint is that they seemed to have made him a bit more of an ass than he was in the novels. Granted, in those he was a touch too "gentlemanly."
I was also less than pleased with the fighting Holmes. At least, in the beginning he seemed a master fighter at times, then at other times, not so much.
He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want? Holmes was clearly trying to manipulate the big dude into making the ship fall on himself, and the big fellow had shrugged off Holmes' strongest hits.
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Sherlock Holmes has never been the sort of character you are supposed to be able to keep up with.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
Like I've said before, the stuff that requires specific and random knowledge is still up to him to put out, but if you can still figure things out on your own at a pretty good clip.
Actually, the ones I remember give you everything you need to figure it out on your own. The motives might not be perfectly clear, but the data is all there. Sometimes it only showed him eliminating one possibility before showing the one that it was. (When the thief was digging a tunnel from a shop to a bank, in particular.)
My only complaint is that they seemed to have made him a bit more of an ass than he was in the novels. Granted, in those he was a touch too "gentlemanly."
I was also less than pleased with the fighting Holmes. At least, in the beginning he seemed a master fighter at times, then at other times, not so much.
He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want? Holmes was clearly trying to manipulate the big dude into making the ship fall on himself, and the big fellow had shrugged off Holmes' strongest hits.
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To me, it seemed like he was more trying out some sort of random experiment about the effects of slapping his opponent instead of directly fighting him, seeing as how when Holmes got serious, he ended the fight pretty quickly.
Regarding the mystery of the lord guy who faked death, I thought they fore shadowed/hinted it and its solution pretty heavily when Watson came in on Holmes and the dog appeared to be dead and Holmes just waved it off as him testing something that would wear off eventually ... hopefully. I hope that makes some sense, even though part of why it is such a strong hint is how many times it has been used in various fake-a-death entertainment pieces.
as others have said, I would have liked for there to be more of a clue as to what Holmes was thinking when he was investigating, other than the random shots of things he's picking up. I've read a few of the the original's, and they always seemed to at least be able to nudge me in the right direction to find the knowledge to solve the mystery before Holmes does it for me. But, of course, that's an advantage of a novel over a movie: theres more time for details, and you can put down the book and go reseach shit yourself if you feel like it
I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
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I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Blackwood was created for the film. Moriarty is Holmes' most famous villain.
I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Just saw this too. It was incredibly boring at a break neck pace. I was more interested in the Victorian era dress and architecture than the plot. They talk too fast for me to understand them.
I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Just saw this too. It was incredibly boring at a break neck pace. I was more interested in the Victorian era dress and architecture than the plot. They talk too fast for me to understand them.
Watch more British film and television. They were incredibly easy to understand.
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I liked Jude Law as Watson a whole lot more than Downey Jr. as Holmes. I've always had a man-crush on Jude Law, though, so someone will need to confirm this is their opinion as well before I can register it officially.
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I liked Jude Law as Watson a whole lot more than Downey Jr. as Holmes. I've always had a man-crush on Jude Law, though, so someone will need to confirm this is their opinion as well before I can register it officially.
Opinion confirmed.
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Robert Downey Jr is at least twice the actor Jude Law is.
And I am not just referring to Sherlock Holmes here.
So I am still on the fence about whether to see this, reviews from friends seem positive on balance, with the most convincing to me being along the lines of "It is kind of neat to see a steampunk-ish version of the city we live in"
Lord Blackwood's plan was to sacrifice virgins, fake his own death, and then murder all of parliament so as to convince his cultish friends that he had become a master of the dark arts, which somehow enables him to take over America?
I think the idea of killing all the members of parliament was to convince the entire country that he was a master of the dark arts, thus allowing him to seize control, and then invade the US, which was weakened by the civil war, and reclaim it for Britain.
I think the idea of killing all the members of parliament was to convince the entire country that he was a master of the dark arts, thus allowing him to seize control, and then invade the US, which was weakened by the civil war, and reclaim it for Britain.
I think the idea of killing all the members of parliament was to convince the entire country that he was a master of the dark arts, thus allowing him to seize control, and then invade the US, which was weakened by the civil war, and reclaim it for Britain.
This is a dumb plot.
Fear will keep the local systems in check. Fear of this battle station.
I mean magic powers.. I mean wireless devices.
Honestly this movie is on par with just about every other detective novel ever made. It is also awesome and worth every penny to go see.
I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Just saw this too. It was incredibly boring at a break neck pace. I was more interested in the Victorian era dress and architecture than the plot. They talk too fast for me to understand them.
Watch more British film and television. They were incredibly easy to understand.
How were they hard to understand? It was like English, Simple Edition..
edit: Of course it was an episode of House. Or rather House is a series of episodes of Sherlock Holmes - Modern Day Medical Mysteries.
He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want?
I thought he was deliberately trying to appear ineffectual, to get everyone to bet on big dude and lengthen his odds - the next scene implied that it's a regular hobby of Holmes and Watson's, going out and placing bets on Holmes in fights. The only reason Holmes started to leave the fight was seeing Irene.
He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want?
I thought he was deliberately trying to appear ineffectual, to get everyone to bet on big dude and lengthen his odds - the next scene implied that it's a regular hobby of Holmes and Watson's, going out and placing bets on Holmes in fights. The only reason Holmes started to leave the fight was seeing Irene.
It was both.
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I just saw this. Avatar was better. Sherlock was too...tiring. At the end, I was just glad it was over. They didn't need the female romantic interest. She was a waste of my time.
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Just saw this too. It was incredibly boring at a break neck pace. I was more interested in the Victorian era dress and architecture than the plot. They talk too fast for me to understand them.
Watch more British film and television. They were incredibly easy to understand.
Yeah, I'm not sure sure of this. The accents were all very clear, zero slang, not even that rapid.
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He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want? Holmes was clearly trying to manipulate the big dude into making the ship fall on himself, and the big fellow had shrugged off Holmes' strongest hits.
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I think my main problem was the use of the "analytical" Holmes during the two fights. Would have been cooler to see it elsewhere. Even cooler to see him come up blank during that.
So I am still on the fence about whether to see this, reviews from friends seem positive on balance, with the most convincing to me being along the lines of "It is kind of neat to see a steampunk-ish version of the city we live in"
... There's nothing steampunk in this movie, save for perhaps one object. Your friends do realize that steampunk is based heavily on the Victorian era where this movie is set, yes?
So I am still on the fence about whether to see this, reviews from friends seem positive on balance, with the most convincing to me being along the lines of "It is kind of neat to see a steampunk-ish version of the city we live in"
... There's nothing steampunk in this movie, save for perhaps one object. Your friends do realize that steampunk is based heavily on the Victorian era where this movie is set, yes?
(Also, see it).
Sorry, but your friends sound like idiots for not understanding the concept of time.
This was the longest episode of House I've ever seen. Watson was Foreman during that season where he spent a million episodes threatening to leave.
I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling. Just in case you're not, you know that House is meant to be Sherlock Holmes as a medical doctor, right?
This, so hard. All the people in this thread likening the movie to an episode of House...
Seriously the entire series of House is meant to play him out as a modern day Holmes. I mean the rampant drug abuse, the amazing leaps of logic.
The only thing that makes House a bit more human is that unlike Holmes, he'll blunder through 6-7 wrong diagnoses' first, whereas Holmes will get all the clues and in a brilliant climactic moment, will put them all together and solve the crime.
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Not only that, 90% of it was all in the same scene.
That really depends on your own background.
Sherlock Holmes' mysteries were not that hard to figure out on your own if you're the average modern nerd.
But, seriously ? A leather trenchcoat ? A fedora ??? Man....
Yeah, the leather trench was a facepalm moment.
Really? What exactly what the hint that allowed the intelligent observer to discern the method by which vampire-dude faked his death? I mean other than a two second shot of holmes holding a weird contraption that you have no idea what it is until holmes tells you what it is later.
That one is mostly up to a very long tradition of people faking deaths both in stories and in real life.
That would make it "me guessing something because it's a pathetically tired trope" and not "guessing something because there is actually something in the movie that allows an observant viewer to make intelligent guesses." then? So you are agreeing with me?
Guessing based on outside knowledge and being genre savvy is how HOLMES does it.
It's been a while since I read any of them, but I think that if this is true it is only in terms of figuring out who did it for mostly meta reasons. The random esoteric facts necessary, and often the things that he observed in the first place, are not available to the reader prior to him explaining his deduction.
Like I've said before, the stuff that requires specific and random knowledge is still up to him to put out, but if you can still figure things out on your own at a pretty good clip.
Yes....?
Is this some kind of bot or something?
Actually, the ones I remember give you everything you need to figure it out on your own. The motives might not be perfectly clear, but the data is all there. Sometimes it only showed him eliminating one possibility before showing the one that it was. (When the thief was digging a tunnel from a shop to a bank, in particular.)
My only complaint is that they seemed to have made him a bit more of an ass than he was in the novels. Granted, in those he was a touch too "gentlemanly."
I was also less than pleased with the fighting Holmes. At least, in the beginning he seemed a master fighter at times, then at other times, not so much.
He was deliberately taking a bruising in the boxing match because he felt awful about Watson and Watson's lady. vs. the big dude, what do you want? Holmes was clearly trying to manipulate the big dude into making the ship fall on himself, and the big fellow had shrugged off Holmes' strongest hits.
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To me, it seemed like he was more trying out some sort of random experiment about the effects of slapping his opponent instead of directly fighting him, seeing as how when Holmes got serious, he ended the fight pretty quickly.
But seriously, I am excited for sequels
as others have said, I would have liked for there to be more of a clue as to what Holmes was thinking when he was investigating, other than the random shots of things he's picking up. I've read a few of the the original's, and they always seemed to at least be able to nudge me in the right direction to find the knowledge to solve the mystery before Holmes does it for me. But, of course, that's an advantage of a novel over a movie: theres more time for details, and you can put down the book and go reseach shit yourself if you feel like it
also, that raven was fucking creepy
I am interested in knowing if there are any old Sherlock movies with Lord Blackwood or Professor Moriarty?
Blackwood was created for the film. Moriarty is Holmes' most famous villain.
Watch more British film and television. They were incredibly easy to understand.
And I am not just referring to Sherlock Holmes here.
What?
This is a dumb plot.
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Honestly this movie is on par with just about every other detective novel ever made. It is also awesome and worth every penny to go see.
I never asked for this!
How were they hard to understand? It was like English, Simple Edition..
edit: Of course it was an episode of House. Or rather House is a series of episodes of Sherlock Holmes - Modern Day Medical Mysteries.
It was both.
Yeah, I'm not sure sure of this. The accents were all very clear, zero slang, not even that rapid.
I think my main problem was the use of the "analytical" Holmes during the two fights. Would have been cooler to see it elsewhere. Even cooler to see him come up blank during that.
I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling. Just in case you're not, you know that House is meant to be Sherlock Holmes as a medical doctor, right?
... There's nothing steampunk in this movie, save for perhaps one object. Your friends do realize that steampunk is based heavily on the Victorian era where this movie is set, yes?
(Also, see it).
Sorry, but your friends sound like idiots for not understanding the concept of time.
This, so hard. All the people in this thread likening the movie to an episode of House...
Seriously the entire series of House is meant to play him out as a modern day Holmes. I mean the rampant drug abuse, the amazing leaps of logic.
The only thing that makes House a bit more human is that unlike Holmes, he'll blunder through 6-7 wrong diagnoses' first, whereas Holmes will get all the clues and in a brilliant climactic moment, will put them all together and solve the crime.
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