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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I usually tend to think people who use preditable a lot just want some sort of award for being able to tell where the movie was going because they can logically follow a story

    I thought you'd say that

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    AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can we toss "pretentious" as a criticism for anything ever?

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I usually tend to think people who use preditable a lot just want some sort of award for being able to tell where the movie was going because they can logically follow a story

    it's like, congratulations, you are one of the few people who is totally on the same wavelength as the writer

    unless most people are also on this wavelength, the movie is not predictable, it is just predictable to YOU

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I usually tend to think people who use preditable a lot just want some sort of award for being able to tell where the movie was going because they can logically follow a story

    It's just a quality

    Like this movie/painting/presentation uses a red scheme

    It's red

    What else are you going to say to accurately describe the fact?

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    People use "plothole" liberally as well

    Plothole is fine if it means something. People use it wrong though. "why didn't Spider-Man do..." isn't a plothole. If Spider-Man didn't do what you think he should have done, he didn't think of it. A plothole is an actual fuckup in the logic of the plot, not just a character acting dumb.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I usually tend to think people who use preditable a lot just want some sort of award for being able to tell where the movie was going because they can logically follow a story

    I usually think of it when they blatantly foreshadow something that will happen later

    like they're not even subtle about it, just all HEY HEADS UP

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Umaro wrote: »
    "The story sucked BUT..."

    You'd might as well just say, "I liked this movie but won't admit it because people can only know I like smart things."

    No, it is saying the while the story is weak there are plenty of other things there are to like about the movie.

    Sometimes a story is just a weak excuse to carry the characters from cool car chase to cool car chase.

    If you like cool car chases then it might be a good watch for you!

    If you are someone that is more interested in the overall story then maybe you should try something else!

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can we toss "pretentious" as a criticism for anything ever?

    I like pretentious stuff though, so the possibly invalid criticism helps me find things that I end up liking.

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    Umaro wrote: »
    "The story sucked BUT..."

    You'd might as well just say, "I liked this movie but won't admit it because people can only know I like smart things."

    No, it is saying the while the story is weak there are plenty of other things there are to like about the movie.

    Sometimes a story is just a weak excuse to carry the characters from cool car chase to cool car chase.

    If you like cool car chases then it might be a good watch for you!

    If you are someone that is more interested in the overall story then maybe you should try something else!

    this is why i am a fan of reviews that are more comparative or that review the movie for what it is rather than some nebulous platonic idea of what a perfect movie should be

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Can we toss "pretentious" as a criticism for anything ever?

    There are some thing that it's a genuinely accurate description of. The problem is when "pretentious" is used as a criticism for any work that tries anything even vaguely clever. "Pretentious" to me means that not only did you go for something clever, but you fucked it up.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The best movie I have seen this year is Fantastic Mr Fox.

    Saying that the only other two movies I had seen were about 2 minutes of Billy Elliot and about 14 seconds of Coraline which didn't even stream correctly so I stopped watching it.

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Can we toss "pretentious" as a criticism for anything ever?

    There are some thing that it's a genuinely accurate description of. The problem is when "pretentious" is used as a criticism for any work that tries anything even vaguely clever. "Pretentious" to me means that not only did you go for something clever, but you fucked it up.

    I always took it to mean something that didn't make an honest attempt to convey meaning to the intended audience.

    Like a dragon ball z movie that had a lot of bible references

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I finally watched Up the other night

    it was so good

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Zoel wrote: »
    Can we toss "pretentious" as a criticism for anything ever?

    There are some thing that it's a genuinely accurate description of. The problem is when "pretentious" is used as a criticism for any work that tries anything even vaguely clever. "Pretentious" to me means that not only did you go for something clever, but you fucked it up.

    I always took it to mean something that didn't make an honest attempt to convey meaning to the intended audience.

    Like a dragon ball z movie that had a lot of bible references

    Actually I think that's a pretty good definition. When I think of movies that can accurately have the flaw "pretentious" applied to it, the Matrix trilogy spring to mind instantly.

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    MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Did Australia just get Billy Elliot?

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Did Australia just get Billy Elliot?
    Nah it was on TV.

    The stage play has already been and gone!

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Also Luke Steele's music can be described as pretentious.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Did Australia just get Billy Elliot?

    Australia just got The Jungle Book.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    The best movie I have seen this year is Fantastic Mr Fox.

    Saying that the only other two movies I had seen were about 2 minutes of Billy Elliot and about 14 seconds of Coraline which didn't even stream correctly so I stopped watching it.

    Fantastic Mr. Fox is so good

    also you really ought to watch the rest of Coraline

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    i think of pretentious as the use of film techniques and symbolism and stuff not to convey meaning but to show off how well-educated the filmmaker is

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    But really, a good reviewer should be able to tell me the following things.

    If they enjoyed it.

    If they were the intended audience.

    Why I might like it. (basically the good points)

    Why I might dislike it.

    From there it is pretty easy to get a rough idea if I would enjoy it or not.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    The best movie I have seen this year is Fantastic Mr Fox.

    Saying that the only other two movies I had seen were about 2 minutes of Billy Elliot and about 14 seconds of Coraline which didn't even stream correctly so I stopped watching it.

    Fantastic Mr. Fox is so good

    also you really ought to watch the rest of Coraline

    I know.

    I'm going to see if I can remove the streaming issue by bypassing it.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    But really, a good reviewer should be able to tell me the following things.

    If they enjoyed it.

    If they were the intended audience.

    Why I might like it. (basically the good points)

    Why I might dislike it.

    From there it is pretty easy to get a rough idea if I would enjoy it or not.

    looks like a good list to me

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    the Chronicles of Riddick was also a fairly pretentious film

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    Davoid.

    This is one of those opinions we talked about earlier.

    To be honest I've never seen it.

    I saw the youtube link and thought to myself, why would I want to spend 10 minutes watching a goddam review.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    I have no idea about the particular review you're talking about, but the "star wars prequels suck!" well long ago ran dry.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    the Chronicles of Riddick was also a fairly pretentious film
    God that movie was absolutely terrible.

    I find it absolutely amazing the Judi Dench starred in it.

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Davoid wrote: »
    I finally watched Up the other night

    it was so good

    UP is the best possible thing.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I saw people talking about it in the youtube thread and I eventually clicked on it and sat there for three minutes then kind of got into it

    that review guy video that is

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    Davoid.

    This is one of those opinions we talked about earlier.

    To be honest I've never seen it.

    I saw the youtube link and thought to myself, why would I want to spend 10 minutes watching a goddam review.

    actually you spend seventy

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    NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    Davoid.

    This is one of those opinions we talked about earlier.

    To be honest I've never seen it.

    I saw the youtube link and thought to myself, why would I want to spend 10 minutes watching a goddam review.

    It's actually just part one.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Blaket wrote: »
    the Chronicles of Riddick was also a fairly pretentious film
    God that movie was absolutely terrible.

    I find it absolutely amazing the Judi Dench starred in it.

    there was about fifteen minutes of Vin Diesel being awesome and two hours of uninspired "epic" sci-fi fantasy bullshit

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    Davoid.

    This is one of those opinions we talked about earlier.

    To be honest I've never seen it.

    I saw the youtube link and thought to myself, why would I want to spend 10 minutes watching a goddam review.

    actually you spend seventy

    yea, I only watched the first bit



    but yea, Up was fantastic and I have no idea why I put off seeing it so long, as I was really excited for it before it came out

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited January 2010
    NotACrook wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I finally watched Up the other night

    it was so good

    UP is the best possible thing.

    I went into Up knowing nothing about it other than that it contained balloon imagery at some point. When Partly Cloudy started, I thought that was Up. If there is anything that could possibly improve Up, it's going into it not knowing anything about it.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    I wish that Phantom Menace review guy would review the Matrix sequels

    I think anyone who spends a great deal of time poring over the flaws of a pulp science fiction film made for children should be executed by the state.

    I thought he was kind of funny

    I guess I thought wrong

    Davoid.

    This is one of those opinions we talked about earlier.

    To be honest I've never seen it.

    I saw the youtube link and thought to myself, why would I want to spend 10 minutes watching a goddam review.

    actually you spend seventy

    See I could spend only a bit longer and actually watch the movie and form my own opinion and not have to look at this guy who I assume is ugly.

    Instead I'd get to see Natalie Portman, who, in the first movie is just old enough to make me feel dirty.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    the chronicles of riddick games own so hard though
    I would like to give the game a chance one day.

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