I think we also have to consider the fact that Bioware may be viewing ME2 as a way to bridge certain story elements into the climax of ME3.
We didn't get very many answers, but we did extend the cast a bit and did put a few more conflicts into the pot.
All in all, I think the true success of ME2 will be judged on how everything comes together for ME3.
It's kinda like watching the Star Wars trilogy or Lord of the Rings. To really appreciate everything, the movies have to be viewed as a collective experience, which enhances the individual merits of each episode.
Scrolling message on the in-game menu as well, but not a new news item yet.
18mb file download.
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Love. You can know all the math in the 'Verse, but take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells ya she's hurtin' 'fore she keels. Makes her home.
I think we also have to consider the fact that Bioware may be viewing ME2 as a way to bridge certain story elements into the climax of ME3.
We didn't get very many answers, but we did extend the cast a bit and did put a few more conflicts into the pot.
All in all, I think the true success of ME2 will be judged on how everything comes together for ME3.
It's kinda like watching the Star Wars trilogy or Lord of the Rings. To really appreciate everything, the movies have to be viewed as a collective experience, which enhances the individual merits of each episode.
That is exactly how I view the series, and I love the build up, just hope the pay off is worth it (trusted them this far, I think I'll be safe).
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yea in a lot of ways 2 was a complete reboot. Very little of your decisions actually matter towards the story of part 2, and most of them are superficial..
Yeah 24 is awesome except for season 6 being pretty wonky. It's still better than most tv, just a low point for the series.
And about ME2... Jacob loyalty spoilers:
Can anyone tell me why shooting Jacob's dad is the renegade choice, and leaving him to the hunters is the neutral one? Seriously?!
Shooting him is the easy way out.
Let him die in the hell he made.
You realize they don't kill him right? You call a ship and they arrest him.
Really?!
I just assumed these violent hunters would rip him to shreds. Is there a galactic news announcement later or something?
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Love. You can know all the math in the 'Verse, but take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells ya she's hurtin' 'fore she keels. Makes her home.
I guess for me and I need to talk with Tali some more probably but I hope spoiler for Talis recruitment mission.
I hope tali can eventually romance and get involved with the quarian marine who you can save or let die, aside from being voiced by Adam Baldwin, I can't be the only one who picked up on more than a duty obligation to Tali in his desire to protect her.
I can potentially kill Tali with my love, but with Kregor (it sounded like that been a little since I played it) she can be with someone who can advance her species and be accepted without my love killing her.
I think I read way too much into these characters.
wait, was it really Adam Baldwin or are you saying it just sounds like him? Because that is pretty awesome.
Cutting down that quite tree was a challenge. Anyway, yes, that was Adam Baldwin, and no, Preacher, you're not the only one that picked up on that. I was hoping I could guide things in that direction as well.
I picked it up the other way around.
She practically begs you to save his life.
I was thinking "Ok, I'll save him because you want me to. But if he puts the moves on you I'm going Renegade Interrupt him."
I guess for me and I need to talk with Tali some more probably but I hope spoiler for Talis recruitment mission.
I hope tali can eventually romance and get involved with the quarian marine who you can save or let die, aside from being voiced by Adam Baldwin, I can't be the only one who picked up on more than a duty obligation to Tali in his desire to protect her.
I can potentially kill Tali with my love, but with Kregor (it sounded like that been a little since I played it) she can be with someone who can advance her species and be accepted without my love killing her.
I think I read way too much into these characters.
wait, was it really Adam Baldwin or are you saying it just sounds like him? Because that is pretty awesome.
Cutting down that quite tree was a challenge. Anyway, yes, that was Adam Baldwin, and no, Preacher, you're not the only one that picked up on that. I was hoping I could guide things in that direction as well.
Here's to hoping for ME 3 then! It would be kind of nice if you could keep your romance option but help your other crew members find their own path? I think that would be a nice way to let people not be Riker, but still have the awkward romance dialogue we have come to know and love.
I hate it in games that have romance options where your option is really "Do I make them my girlfriend or do I discard them?" It seems like there's no option to just befriend them, because if you keep talking and getting close to them you are just railroaded into fucking them. Or, you get to that point and have to say no, and then they just don't like you anymore.
I guess for me and I need to talk with Tali some more probably but I hope spoiler for Talis recruitment mission.
I hope tali can eventually romance and get involved with the quarian marine who you can save or let die, aside from being voiced by Adam Baldwin, I can't be the only one who picked up on more than a duty obligation to Tali in his desire to protect her.
I can potentially kill Tali with my love, but with Kregor (it sounded like that been a little since I played it) she can be with someone who can advance her species and be accepted without my love killing her.
I think I read way too much into these characters.
wait, was it really Adam Baldwin or are you saying it just sounds like him? Because that is pretty awesome.
Cutting down that quite tree was a challenge. Anyway, yes, that was Adam Baldwin, and no, Preacher, you're not the only one that picked up on that. I was hoping I could guide things in that direction as well.
Here's to hoping for ME 3 then! It would be kind of nice if you could keep your romance option but help your other crew members find their own path? I think that would be a nice way to let people not be Riker, but still have the awkward romance dialogue we have come to know and love.
I'm thinking if you don't romance Tali in ME2, then Kal'Reegor will offer you his favorite gun in exchange for her. I would also pay money for this as DLC.
I think we also have to consider the fact that Bioware may be viewing ME2 as a way to bridge certain story elements into the climax of ME3.
We didn't get very many answers, but we did extend the cast a bit and did put a few more conflicts into the pot.
All in all, I think the true success of ME2 will be judged on how everything comes together for ME3.
It's kinda like watching the Star Wars trilogy or Lord of the Rings. To really appreciate everything, the movies have to be viewed as a collective experience, which enhances the individual merits of each episode.
That is exactly how I view the series, and I love the build up, just hope the pay off is worth it (trusted them this far, I think I'll be safe).
And in reference to the guy who hated ME2, but didn't play ME1, I can absolutely see why.
Imagine watching the Empire Strikes Back without seeing A New Hope first. You would spend the entire two hours going, "Wow, the opening with the snow walkers was awesome, but what the fuck was the rest of that crap?"
I agree with your statement though, both me games thus far can be boiled down to a very limited number of main plot points which isn't to everyone's taste. I'd also add that the rpg and action elements are fairly pedestrian but you can't deny that, as a whole, the game isn't bad.
context... mild understatement (Dunno if orange has a meaning on the forums, just making sure I highlighted that part.)
the first playthrough was awesome, the rest were achievement related and "what's renegade like". runs 2-5 were a real chore. I could point out what's wrong/missing/off in the game but what's the point, I'm fairly sure the regulars in this thread aren't ready for constructive criticism yet ;p
Yea in a lot of ways 2 was a complete reboot. Very little of your decisions actually matter towards the story of part 2, and most of them are superficial..
I wouldn't call it a reboot, because you can definitely feeling things are in motion based on choices from the previous game. But again, if you didn't play ME1, you're ME2 experience is really a bit trashed.
I think it all comes down to how ME3 follows through.
Yeah 24 is awesome except for season 6 being pretty wonky. It's still better than most tv, just a low point for the series.
And about ME2... Jacob loyalty spoilers:
Can anyone tell me why shooting Jacob's dad is the renegade choice, and leaving him to the hunters is the neutral one? Seriously?!
Shooting him is the easy way out.
Let him die in the hell he made.
You realize they don't kill him right? You call a ship and they arrest him.
Really?!
I just assumed these violent hunters would rip him to shreds. Is there a galactic news announcement later or something?
I believe you get a private message later, and its in the story recap by the illusive man.
It's told throughout. When you talk to Jacob later, the references at the end of the quest, I think EDI/Joker tells you that you need to be gone before Alliance gets there, etc.
Yea in a lot of ways 2 was a complete reboot. Very little of your decisions actually matter towards the story of part 2, and most of them are superficial..
I don't think the Council or Rachni decision was superficial. You don't feel direct consequences, but the ripple is there, and especially with the Rachni will have huge consequences in ME3.
I think your decisions in the first game will have big effects on (ME2 spoilers as well)
Whether Wrex unites the Krogan
Whether the Rachni help or hurt the alliance against the Reapers
Whether the council (with anderson or udina) will aid or hinder the major races in uniting
If you chose a human course, if many races will help at all
And from ME2:
If you save the genophage data
If you re-write the heretic geth data
If you urge the Quarians towards war or peace
If you give the station to Cerberus or destroy it
among other things. But I definitely didn't feel like my choices were worthless in terms of how they affected the galaxy. They might not have directly influenced my game play, but it didn't bother me.
I guess for me and I need to talk with Tali some more probably but I hope spoiler for Talis recruitment mission.
I hope tali can eventually romance and get involved with the quarian marine who you can save or let die, aside from being voiced by Adam Baldwin, I can't be the only one who picked up on more than a duty obligation to Tali in his desire to protect her.
I can potentially kill Tali with my love, but with Kregor (it sounded like that been a little since I played it) she can be with someone who can advance her species and be accepted without my love killing her.
I think I read way too much into these characters.
wait, was it really Adam Baldwin or are you saying it just sounds like him? Because that is pretty awesome.
Cutting down that quite tree was a challenge. Anyway, yes, that was Adam Baldwin, and no, Preacher, you're not the only one that picked up on that. I was hoping I could guide things in that direction as well.
I want an option to hook Garrus up with some fine Turian lady in ME3. Shepard probably is going to die, but his friends deserve good endings
There was a point in ME1 where I was walking around the wards and saw a Turian leaning against the railing with its torso obscured.
I totally expected it to be a female Turian. I got closer and realized I was wrong. Now I feel uncomfortable watching movies alone with my best friend, who is also a 'male' Turian. I don't know man... Do you think? Naw, just forget it.
Are there any mentions of female Turians? We know there aren't male Asari, and there are female Salarians, but I don't remember mention of Turian females. I know Garrus talks about his dad. Maybe they just, you know, bud.
I think Bioware could make the case that humans reproducing sexually (not fertilizing laid eggs like the Salarians) is actually a rarity among sentient species. That could be part of why we're the jerks of the galaxy. Well, we know the Quarians have both tabs and slots... honestly I think humanity and the Quarians should be better friends overall with alot in common and common interests after the recent Geth incursions. They could colonize a world with us! How many diseases will those space raptors have in common with us space gorillas? It'll be fun, I'll bring my beach ball.
There was a point in ME1 where I was walking around the wards and saw a Turian leaning against the railing with its torso obscured.
I totally expected it to be a female Turian. I got closer and realized I was wrong. Now I feel uncomfortable watching movies alone with my best friend, who is also a 'male' Turian. I don't know man... Do you think? Naw, just forget it.
Are there any mentions of female Turians? We know there aren't male Asari, and there are female Salarians, but I don't remember mention of Turian females. I know Garrus talks about his dad. Maybe they just, you know, bud.
I think Bioware could make the case that humans reproducing sexually (not fertilizing laid eggs like the Salarians) is actually a rarity among sentient species. That could be part of why we're the jerks of the galaxy. Well, we know the Quarians have both tabs and slots... honestly I think humanity and the Quarians should be better friends overall with alot in common and common interests after the recent Geth incursions. They could colonize a world with us! How many diseases will those space raptors have in common with us space gorillas? It'll be fun, I'll bring my beach ball.
Thinking about it, quarians are one of the only other races in this galaxy to have distinct male and females.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Also the only reason we feel lasting effects from ME 1 is because we saw them show up again in ME 2. We'll have to wait and see how they effect ME 3.
Oh, and big, big, big, big, big request to Bioware for ME3.
End the story. I hope they resist the temptation to keep dragging it out.
I think the ME Universe is wonderfully constructed and there's plenty of room for ancillary stories, or even a post-Reapers MMO, but please tie up the story started in ME1 in the 3rd.
I'd hate to see such a great franchise get toasted by jumping the shark with too many sequels.
Also the only reason we feel lasting effects from ME 1 is because we saw them show up again in ME 2. We'll have to wait and see how they effect ME 3.
Oh, and big, big, big, big, big request to Bioware for ME3.
End the story. I hope they resist the temptation to keep dragging it out.
I think the ME Universe is wonderfully constructed and there's plenty of room for ancillary stories, or even a post-Reapers MMO, but please tie up the story started in ME1 in the 3rd.
I'd hate to see such a great franchise get toasted by jumping the shark with too many sequels.
I think they are definately ending this arc in the third game. If only because three sequels that aren't madden are hard enough to get off in the current console life span. Trying to move this story with your previous decisions mattering to another platform is a bridge too far I believe.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's hard to freakin' tell which choices are paragon and which are renegade in some of these scenarios.
For instance:
During the part where Shepard's gotta decide whether or not to upload the virus to the heretic Geth, I think I got renegade points for deciding to kill them.
What, like it's the freakin' hight of humanity to brainwash an entire population of sentient beings? I figured they made their decision and chose to be the servants of the reapers. It's regrettable that they chose to be my enemy, but they probably knew the risks when they started this war and brainwashing is bad. Therefore, they must die."
Brainwashing seems like the more messed up choice to me.
It's hard to freakin' tell which choices are paragon and which are renegade in some of these scenarios.
For instance:
During the part where Shepard's gotta decide whether or not to upload the virus to the heretic Geth, I think I got renegade points for deciding to kill them.
What, like it's the freakin' hight of humanity to brainwash an entire population of sentient beings? I figured they made their decision and chose to be the servants of the reapers. It's regrettable that they chose to be my enemy, but they probably knew the risks when they started this war and brainwashing is bad. Therefore, they must die."
Brainwashing seems like the more messed up choice to me.
You are thinking of it from the human side of the equation.
To Legion these were merely malfunctioning units with bad code, rewriting them is fixing a problem. Though I blew them up too, EDEN PRIME NEVAR FORGET! Poor Jenkins? Was that that stupid mans name?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I thought Legion made it pretty clear that the heretic geth weren't malfunctioning. He says something along the lines of pointing out that the heretics and the geth have reached differing conclusions. Neither side is "right" and neither side is "wrong". They've just developed opposing ideologies.
and one ideology consists of putting humans on spikes and unquestionably following ancient death machines towards the doom of all life in the galaxy
I blew those fuckers up
the best they could offer me were some more numbers on the good geths side. No need, man. Can't risk the brainwashed Geth possibly corrupting the good Geth.
It's hard to freakin' tell which choices are paragon and which are renegade in some of these scenarios.
For instance:
During the part where Shepard's gotta decide whether or not to upload the virus to the heretic Geth, I think I got renegade points for deciding to kill them.
What, like it's the freakin' hight of humanity to brainwash an entire population of sentient beings? I figured they made their decision and chose to be the servants of the reapers. It's regrettable that they chose to be my enemy, but they probably knew the risks when they started this war and brainwashing is bad. Therefore, they must die."
Brainwashing seems like the more messed up choice to me.
You are thinking of it from the human side of the equation.
To Legion these were merely malfunctioning units with bad code, rewriting them is fixing a problem. Though I blew them up too, EDEN PRIME NEVAR FORGET! Poor Jenkins? Was that that stupid mans name?
Not really.
If you ask Legion was he wants to do, he tells you that his processes are split something like 51/49 in favor of using the virus.
I'd almost argue that neither action qualifies as Paragon.
You're destroying a culture either way. The only difference is how you do it.
From that perspective, the action that results in the least deaths would be the "Paragon" option.
turns out the Geth come to the same conclusion again, but this time a bigger portion of them leave to join the reapers and you're left with even fewer allies
Then the Quarians attack the Geth as they see an opportunity in their weakened foe and then the Rachni show up, not to help you, but rather to get revenge on the Krogan and the council races and then you lose horribly as the reapers attack and all your allies are busy with infighting
Sometimes I don't even know how I get renegade points. They just pop up for no freaking reason. I'll have a converstaion with someone and it'll be like
"Hey whatcha doin'?"
"Nothin' much"
"Alright well take care then."
I'm sure you'll recognize more than one voice actor, too.
I personally was surprised they didn't have Miranda and the quarian Marine in a scene together or something or had special dialogue since their VA's are on that show on TV together
Got a question about choice consequences from 1 to 2, dunno if it qualifies as a spoiler, but I'll slap tags on anyways.
Can anybody tell me what happens on Tuchanka if you killed Wrex on Virmire? The canon choice seems to be that Wrex lives, and theres no way in hell I'm playing through Mass Effect 1 again just to see what happens.
I adore the new shotgun, it looks badass and has about double the killing range of any shotgun other than the Claymore. Only 3 shots per clip, but I can live with that since it makes the shotgun for other classes more useful.
The new armor is pretty slick too, and yes face-o-piles, you can see it through the helmet.
Got a question about choice consequences from 1 to 2, dunno if it qualifies as a spoiler, but I'll slap tags on anyways.
Can anybody tell me what happens on Tuchanka if you killed Wrex on Virmire? The canon choice seems to be that Wrex lives, and theres no way in hell I'm playing through Mass Effect 1 again just to see what happens.
I thought I read that the default choice is the other way around.
Sometimes I don't even know how I get renegade points. They just pop up for no freaking reason. I'll have a converstaion with someone and it'll be like
"Hey whatcha doin'?"
"Nothin' much"
"Alright well take care then."
RENEGADE +2
WTF.
This shit happened to me in ME1 too.
Yeah that happens to me in ME2 quite a bit. Seems like there are points where you will always get 2 renegade and paragon points.
In ME1 though, I can go the whole game without getting faction points I don't want.
His brood brother is on the throne and he isn't that mad about you killing Wrex because he's not a reformist, just a typical Krogan leader. Worf is still there for different reasons and the interaction is a little different but not by much. And the ambassador guy near the Shaman is completely gone. A lot less bitching from the scientist. That's about it.
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We didn't get very many answers, but we did extend the cast a bit and did put a few more conflicts into the pot.
All in all, I think the true success of ME2 will be judged on how everything comes together for ME3.
It's kinda like watching the Star Wars trilogy or Lord of the Rings. To really appreciate everything, the movies have to be viewed as a collective experience, which enhances the individual merits of each episode.
You realize they don't kill him right? You call a ship and they arrest him.
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Scrolling message on the in-game menu as well, but not a new news item yet.
18mb file download.
That is exactly how I view the series, and I love the build up, just hope the pay off is worth it (trusted them this far, I think I'll be safe).
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Really?!
I picked it up the other way around.
I was thinking "Ok, I'll save him because you want me to. But if he puts the moves on you I'm going Renegade Interrupt him."
I hate it in games that have romance options where your option is really "Do I make them my girlfriend or do I discard them?" It seems like there's no option to just befriend them, because if you keep talking and getting close to them you are just railroaded into fucking them. Or, you get to that point and have to say no, and then they just don't like you anymore.
I believe you get a private message later, and its in the story recap by the illusive man.
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I'm thinking if you don't romance Tali in ME2, then Kal'Reegor will offer you his favorite gun in exchange for her. I would also pay money for this as DLC.
And in reference to the guy who hated ME2, but didn't play ME1, I can absolutely see why.
Imagine watching the Empire Strikes Back without seeing A New Hope first. You would spend the entire two hours going, "Wow, the opening with the snow walkers was awesome, but what the fuck was the rest of that crap?"
the first playthrough was awesome, the rest were achievement related and "what's renegade like". runs 2-5 were a real chore. I could point out what's wrong/missing/off in the game but what's the point, I'm fairly sure the regulars in this thread aren't ready for constructive criticism yet ;p
I wouldn't call it a reboot, because you can definitely feeling things are in motion based on choices from the previous game. But again, if you didn't play ME1, you're ME2 experience is really a bit trashed.
I think it all comes down to how ME3 follows through.
It's told throughout. When you talk to Jacob later, the references at the end of the quest, I think EDI/Joker tells you that you need to be gone before Alliance gets there, etc.
I don't think the Council or Rachni decision was superficial. You don't feel direct consequences, but the ripple is there, and especially with the Rachni will have huge consequences in ME3.
I think your decisions in the first game will have big effects on (ME2 spoilers as well)
Whether the Rachni help or hurt the alliance against the Reapers
Whether the council (with anderson or udina) will aid or hinder the major races in uniting
If you chose a human course, if many races will help at all
And from ME2:
If you save the genophage data
If you re-write the heretic geth data
If you urge the Quarians towards war or peace
If you give the station to Cerberus or destroy it
I want an option to hook Garrus up with some fine Turian lady in ME3. Shepard probably is going to die, but his friends deserve good endings
pleasepaypreacher.net
I totally expected it to be a female Turian. I got closer and realized I was wrong. Now I feel uncomfortable watching movies alone with my best friend, who is also a 'male' Turian. I don't know man... Do you think? Naw, just forget it.
Are there any mentions of female Turians? We know there aren't male Asari, and there are female Salarians, but I don't remember mention of Turian females. I know Garrus talks about his dad. Maybe they just, you know, bud.
I think Bioware could make the case that humans reproducing sexually (not fertilizing laid eggs like the Salarians) is actually a rarity among sentient species. That could be part of why we're the jerks of the galaxy. Well, we know the Quarians have both tabs and slots... honestly I think humanity and the Quarians should be better friends overall with alot in common and common interests after the recent Geth incursions. They could colonize a world with us! How many diseases will those space raptors have in common with us space gorillas? It'll be fun, I'll bring my beach ball.
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Thinking about it, quarians are one of the only other races in this galaxy to have distinct male and females.
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Definitely Turian females.
Oh, and big, big, big, big, big request to Bioware for ME3.
End the story. I hope they resist the temptation to keep dragging it out.
I think the ME Universe is wonderfully constructed and there's plenty of room for ancillary stories, or even a post-Reapers MMO, but please tie up the story started in ME1 in the 3rd.
I'd hate to see such a great franchise get toasted by jumping the shark with too many sequels.
I think they are definately ending this arc in the third game. If only because three sequels that aren't madden are hard enough to get off in the current console life span. Trying to move this story with your previous decisions mattering to another platform is a bridge too far I believe.
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For instance:
What, like it's the freakin' hight of humanity to brainwash an entire population of sentient beings? I figured they made their decision and chose to be the servants of the reapers. It's regrettable that they chose to be my enemy, but they probably knew the risks when they started this war and brainwashing is bad. Therefore, they must die."
Brainwashing seems like the more messed up choice to me.
You are thinking of it from the human side of the equation.
To Legion these were merely malfunctioning units with bad code, rewriting them is fixing a problem. Though I blew them up too, EDEN PRIME NEVAR FORGET! Poor Jenkins? Was that that stupid mans name?
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I blew those fuckers up
the best they could offer me were some more numbers on the good geths side. No need, man. Can't risk the brainwashed Geth possibly corrupting the good Geth.
Not really.
I'd almost argue that neither action qualifies as Paragon.
From that perspective, the action that results in the least deaths would be the "Paragon" option.
Them along with the Rachni are going to tear some ass up.
Oh, if only real morality was that easy.
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Which would I choose without it?!?!?!?!
Then the Quarians attack the Geth as they see an opportunity in their weakened foe and then the Rachni show up, not to help you, but rather to get revenge on the Krogan and the council races and then you lose horribly as the reapers attack and all your allies are busy with infighting
what it could happen
sunshine and rainbows are abound when super nice shepard is around
"Hey whatcha doin'?"
"Nothin' much"
"Alright well take care then."
RENEGADE +2
WTF.
This shit happened to me in ME1 too.
My good man, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eFLlHZSyfs
I'm sure you'll recognize more than one voice actor, too.
I personally was surprised they didn't have Miranda and the quarian Marine in a scene together or something or had special dialogue since their VA's are on that show on TV together
I adore the new shotgun, it looks badass and has about double the killing range of any shotgun other than the Claymore. Only 3 shots per clip, but I can live with that since it makes the shotgun for other classes more useful.
The new armor is pretty slick too, and yes face-o-piles, you can see it through the helmet.
I thought I read that the default choice is the other way around.
Yeah that happens to me in ME2 quite a bit. Seems like there are points where you will always get 2 renegade and paragon points.
In ME1 though, I can go the whole game without getting faction points I don't want.
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