New New Avengers

Romero Zombie

On February 7th, Brian Bendis and new series artist Leinil Francis Yu will reveal not only the post-Civil War status quo of the New Avengers with issue #27, they’ll also reveal a new team line-up, made of some returning members, some brand new ones, and at least one surprise readers won’t see coming.

But for you readers who can’t wait that long, Bendis and Marvel have agreed to reveal the team roster to Newsarama readers over the next week. Each weekday starting today and through next Friday, we’ll reveal one new team member a day – eight in all – along with Bendis’ thoughts on why he selected that character and what role he or she will be playing for the team. And then we’ll wrap things up with a talk about the foreseeable future of the whole [Avengers] assembled team.

We kick things off today with a look at the first member…

[spoiler:979e428cd9]Echo[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Ronin[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Doctor Strange[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Wolverine[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Spider-Woman[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Luke Cage[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Iron Fist[/spoiler:979e428cd9]
[spoiler:979e428cd9]Spider HYPHEN Man[/spoiler:979e428cd9]



http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96993


edit: adding them as they are announced

deadonthestreet

God Yu's art is pretty.

Toji Suzuhara

Romero Zombie wrote:

We kick things off today with a look at the first member…
[spoiler:f29cab4650]Echo[/spoiler:f29cab4650]
I dunno, hopefully we get some more backstory on this person. The arc we had didn't really give very many details.

Everyone should be reading it anyway, but Daredevil 9-15 will give you all of the Echo backstory you'll ever need. It's collected in the Daredevil: Parts of a Hole trade.

It's good to see her being used again, though!

As far as speculation goes... I think it would be cool if Daredevil actually joined the team, but I'm not going to hold my breath! He likes being a tease to poor Captain America. It also makes sense that Cap and Spider-Man would still be on it, too.

wwtMask

As long as Cap and Luke come back, I'll be okay. I've been waiting for this Civil War stuff to be over so I could finally start a subscription.

The Muffin Man

I'm not sure how I feel about [spoiler:1001502080]Echo[/spoiler:1001502080] being an Avenger.

As long as they have SOME sort of power and the strongest characters aren't Wolverine, Luke Cage, and Spidey. I mean, I get that's what the Mighty Avengers are for. But seriously, wouldn't it be smart to kind of hedge your bets and give them both some power houses?

Although maybe Mighty traded New She-Hulk for Wasp, because Jen fit the witty members of NA better.
That's a surefire way to get me to pick up your comic: Include She-Hulk or Ms. Marvel.
Looks I'm getting TWO Avengers titles.

DMAC

I wonder if this lineup will actually have stories where they do stuff together.

saint2e

DMAC wrote:

I wonder if this lineup will actually have stories where they do stuff together.

I love Marvel Adventures Avengers because they actually show the team doing stuff together and kicking ass.

Slagmire

[spoiler:15a341d490]I actually like Echo/Ronin quite a bit - granted, her abilities are a direct copy of Taskmaster's, but her deafness gives her a lot more character depth. I wish they would play on that angle more in the coming issues.[/spoiler:15a341d490]

Langly

DMAC wrote:

I wonder if this lineup will actually have stories where they do stuff together.

I picked up the first and second trades with christmas money, and I really really really liked it (though sentry confused me until I got caught up about him). They did all sorts of things together in those two, did it change after that?

DMAC

I just think it's kind of ridiculous that after 2+ years, I don't think there was a single story where the entire team which was presented in the initial covers/promotional images (Cap, Iron Man, Wolverine, Spidey, Sentry, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Ronin) actually came together to confront a threat.

The stories that Sentry/Ronin were in were more like guest appearances. It doesn't seem like very long before Civil War that they finally had their press conference to announce the new Avengers team.

Romero Zombie

Updated the first post with next character. Personally...I think it's going to be

[spoiler:397aa8fcce]Captain America[/spoiler:397aa8fcce] in the that suit. They said it's someone who has changed costumes before in the past based on their mood...who knows.

Marathon

Romero Zombie wrote:

Updated the first post with next character. Personally...I think it's going to be

[spoiler:81350da904]Captain America[/spoiler:81350da904] in the that suit. They said it's someone who has changed costumes before in the past based on their mood...who knows.

God I hope not. Personally I would really dislike it if that was who is under the mask.

How about
[spoiler:81350da904]Jack Flag[/spoiler:81350da904]

DarkPrimus

Marathon wrote:

Romero Zombie wrote:

Updated the first post with next character. Personally...I think it's going to be

[spoiler:2acf51cfb9]Captain America[/spoiler:2acf51cfb9] in the that suit. They said it's someone who has changed costumes before in the past based on their mood...who knows.

God I hope not. Personally I would really dislike it if that was who is under the mask.

How about
[spoiler:2acf51cfb9]Jack Flag[/spoiler:2acf51cfb9]

What the hell have they done with him in recent memory, other than have him show up in Thunderbolts 110?

deadonthestreet

Bucky

Marathon

DarkPrimus wrote:

Marathon wrote:

Romero Zombie wrote:

Updated the first post with next character. Personally...I think it's going to be

[spoiler:40e2bf0a25]Captain America[/spoiler:40e2bf0a25] in the that suit. They said it's someone who has changed costumes before in the past based on their mood...who knows.

God I hope not. Personally I would really dislike it if that was who is under the mask.

How about
[spoiler:40e2bf0a25]Jack Flag[/spoiler:40e2bf0a25]

What the hell have they done with him in recent memory, other than have him show up in Thunderbolts 110?

Nothing really from what I recall, does that somehow disqualify him from getting picked? Im just tossing out ideas.

Romero Zombie

Marathon wrote:

Romero Zombie wrote:

Updated the first post with next character. Personally...I think it's going to be

[spoiler:70feb02398]Captain America[/spoiler:70feb02398] in the that suit. They said it's someone who has changed costumes before in the past based on their mood...who knows.

God I hope not. Personally I would really dislike it if that was who is under the mask.

How about
[spoiler:70feb02398]Jack Flag[/spoiler:70feb02398]

Yeah I won't be too fond of it either - Bendis did say that you are either going to love it...or hate it. This little bit made me think it's him under there too

“Once Echo is done is Japan, there will be no need for her to be Ronin anymore. The suit – the identity – will have served its purpose. There will be another person in the Marvel Universe without a theme… without a motivation … or who may have lost their desire to wear the costume they were wearing, and this person will don the costume as the masterless samurai of the Marvel Universe for the time to come.”

There are a couple of people in the Marvel U that weren't pleased with the CW - I think that [spoiler:70feb02398]Captain America[/spoiler:70feb02398] lost a lot of motivation to be who he is but still wants to help people.

Squashua

Ronin is Supernova.

The Muffin Man

DMAC wrote:

I wonder if this lineup will actually have stories where they do stuff together.

THIS MONTH

Wolverine and Spider-man watch football while Iron Man calls his sponsor!


Shit, the Avengers actually did shit AS THE AVENGERS.

Rociel

Ronin is really [spoiler:5cb07f8d54]Iron Fist[/spoiler:5cb07f8d54]

Corvus

Rociel wrote:

Ronin is really [spoiler:67f3ec1417]Iron Fist[/spoiler:67f3ec1417]

[spoiler:67f3ec1417]Or possibly Hawkeye.[/spoiler:67f3ec1417]

Owenashi

Found this on a Newsarama post, highlighting what appears possiblly cover art that shows not just the Mighty Avengers cast but some of the new New Avengers cast as well. The reason behind 'some' is due to what seems to be the middle of the picture missing as shown by someone further down the thread. Linked rather then posted here due to potential spoilers.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97065

Romero Zombie

Owenashi wrote:

Found this on a Newsarama post, highlighting what appears possiblly cover art that shows not just the Mighty Avengers cast but some of the new New Avengers cast as well. The reason behind 'some' is due to what seems to be the middle of the picture missing as shown by someone further down the thread. Linked rather then posted here due to potential spoilers.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97065

[spoiler:1486330d70]The casts on these are a mix of pro-reg and anit-reg. I guess everyone kisses and makes up after Civil War. Unless the covers are just crap of course[/spoiler:1486330d70]

wwtMask

Romero Zombie wrote:

Owenashi wrote:

Found this on a Newsarama post, highlighting what appears possiblly cover art that shows not just the Mighty Avengers cast but some of the new New Avengers cast as well. The reason behind 'some' is due to what seems to be the middle of the picture missing as shown by someone further down the thread. Linked rather then posted here due to potential spoilers.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97065

[spoiler:13934edab8]The casts on these are a mix of pro-reg and anit-reg. I guess everyone kisses and makes up after Civil War. Unless the covers are just crap of course[/spoiler:13934edab8]

Hmm, and here I thought that [spoiler:13934edab8]Spidey[/spoiler:13934edab8] would have quit the team. So if we take away the Mighty Avengers from the covers, we get a team consisting of [spoiler:13934edab8]Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spidey, Spider-Woman, and Wolverine. I still think Cap will be in it, but there's always the Ronin possibility there.[/spoiler:13934edab8]

If this is true, I'm more convinced about my decision to get a subscription.

Briareos

wwtMask wrote:

Romero Zombie wrote:

Owenashi wrote:

Found this on a Newsarama post, highlighting what appears possiblly cover art that shows not just the Mighty Avengers cast but some of the new New Avengers cast as well. The reason behind 'some' is due to what seems to be the middle of the picture missing as shown by someone further down the thread. Linked rather then posted here due to potential spoilers.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97065

[spoiler:4e81c53bfa]The casts on these are a mix of pro-reg and anit-reg. I guess everyone kisses and makes up after Civil War. Unless the covers are just crap of course[/spoiler:4e81c53bfa]

Hmm, and here I thought that [spoiler:4e81c53bfa]Spidey[/spoiler:4e81c53bfa] would have quit the team. So if we take away the Mighty Avengers from the covers, we get a team consisting of [spoiler:4e81c53bfa]Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spidey, Spider-Woman, and Wolverine. I still think Cap will be in it, but there's always the Ronin possibility there.[/spoiler:4e81c53bfa]

If this is true, I'm more convinced about my decision to get a subscription.

[spoiler:4e81c53bfa]I thought we knew the line up of Mighty Avengers already and it is all registered heroes. It looks to me like the cover just shows everyone who is on a team that has the name "Avengers" in the title. I don't think that's evidence that they kiss and make up.

Also, I like that Cap as Ronin idea, if only because it fits the masterless samurai thing.[/spoiler:4e81c53bfa]

Owenashi

The general thought on Pro and Reg heroes falling into the Mighty and New teams seems to be quite straight-forward...

[spoiler:1a058c0ccd]...but it'd be interesting to see if some of those pardons Tony's scrounging up end up being used for the New team, abiet secretlly. In essence, keeping them as official rogue heroes while they're actually working undercover to find out the truth behind SHIELD. You know, like they meant to before Stamford occured.

And yeah, this kinda sounds like Justice League Elite, but it seems like a plausable secondary route to me.[/spoiler:1a058c0ccd]

Briareos

I find your ideas interesting, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Squashua

Seriously though, Ronin is going to be a hand-to-hand fighter.

That pretty much leaves the following options:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Elektra
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Hawkeye

Cariblue

Well Iron Fist is on the cover, and so is Spidey, and in the preview pages he is fighting Elektra. Unless the previews take place before Ronin/Echo finishes whatever they were doing and someone else takes on the mantle.

Langly

Squashua wrote:

Seriously though, Ronin is going to be a hand-to-hand fighter.

That pretty much leaves the following options:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Elektra
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Hawkeye

Why Hawkeye? I seem to recall him using, you know, arrows.

Are his fists made of arrows?

Also I thought Winter Soldier used a large rifle/machine gun, but I don't know much about him. Electra is gay, and Spider-man wouldn't change persona (and isn't there some deal about a new new costume, "back in black" or whatever?). Luke Cage is too big. It'd be like someone hiding behind a few leaves, feverishly hoping not to be seen. Iron Fist is supposed to get a brand new book after Civil War, and I doubt he'd be changing his persona with an "Iron Fist" title out.

Daredevil is "meh". I don't see it happening, but it might.

I'm really hoping for Cap on this one, because it means he's not dead.

Furu

So New Avengers will be the street team while Mighty Avengers will be the ones that take on the giant monsters and aliens and such?

I'm down with that.

RPulfer

Doesn't it still really depend who wins Civil War, assuming one side "wins". Which team has SHIELD support, and which team has street support? I think Bendis could put together the most crap-tastic team ever and it would still rock, but I don't know about this Mighty Avengers idea. To be it sounds more like "Uncanny X-Men" and "New X-Men" - as if Civil War was an excuse to divide the team, and then the upcoming World War Hulk was an excuse to reunite the team.

Squashua

Langly wrote:

Squashua wrote:

Seriously though, Ronin is going to be a hand-to-hand fighter.

That pretty much leaves the following options:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Elektra
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Hawkeye

Why Hawkeye? I seem to recall him using, you know, arrows.

Are his fists made of arrows?

He's not "powered", he hasn't shown up in any new material lately, and there was a very unnecessarily pointless focus on him in the latest New Avengers.

Hence, a set-up for a future reappearance. He's disguised as Ronin so Scarlet Witch doesnt' see him on TV and get all creepy-stalky.

Briareos

Langly wrote:

Squashua wrote:

Seriously though, Ronin is going to be a hand-to-hand fighter.

That pretty much leaves the following options:

Captain America
Winter Soldier
Elektra
Daredevil
Spider-Man
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Hawkeye

Why Hawkeye? I seem to recall him using, you know, arrows.

Are his fists made of arrows?

Also I thought Winter Soldier used a large rifle/machine gun, but I don't know much about him. Electra is gay, and Spider-man wouldn't change persona (and isn't there some deal about a new new costume, "back in black" or whatever?). Luke Cage is too big. It'd be like someone hiding behind a few leaves, feverishly hoping not to be seen. Iron Fist is supposed to get a brand new book after Civil War, and I doubt he'd be changing his persona with an "Iron Fist" title out.

Daredevil is "meh". I don't see it happening, but it might.

I'm really hoping for Cap on this one, because it means he's not dead.

Ack. Iron Fist's book is out now. Daredevil is currently one of the best books in Marvel's stable, i.e. he is not "meh.". Elektra is not gay (if by gay you mean in the "she's a crap character" sense). And, yes, Spider-man is going to be in his black costume (which might or might not be the symbiote).

Langly

Briareos wrote:

Ack. Iron Fist's book is out now. Daredevil is currently one of the best books in Marvel's stable, i.e. he is not "meh.". Elektra is not gay (if by gay you mean in the "she's a crap character" sense). And, yes, Spider-man is going to be in his black costume (which might or might not be the symbiote).

Daredevil is meh in the sense that he won't be ronin. As in, I can't think of a reason for him not to be, other than the fact that it wouldn't make much sense. Iron Fist's book being out now only supports the argument, I'm sorry I didn't know it was out. And yes, Virginia, Elektra is a crap character. I mean, I don't like her- but then, I didn't like Raphael either.

Corvus

As for Hawkeye, here's one reason it could be him:

Wiki wrote:

He ran away from an orphanage as a pre-teen to join the circus as a performer, where he was trained by the Swordsman and Trickshot.

Thats the original swordsman being referenced there, just to avoid confusion with the other ones.

Cap using a sword would be pretty odd wouldn't it? On the otherhand, using an out of character costume and weapon is a pretty good disguise.

robosagogo

After Ronin the first time, Supernova, and then Penance, I don't find myself caring about another mystery character.

Mai-Kero

Guys, just so you know, it's Taskmaster. That's why he's not in Thunderbolts. Justice like lightning? fuck that.

Justice like swords.

Romero Zombie

They should announce the 3rd member to the team here in a little bit. If it's Hawkeye or Cap…then I'm really going to be thrown for a loop.

Slagmire

Mai-Kero wrote:

Guys, just so you know, it's Taskmaster. That's why he's not in Thunderbolts. Justice like lightning? fuck that.

Justice like swords.

What?

What the fuck did you say?










Explain Swordsman in Thunderbolts then, mook.

Briareos

Slagmire wrote:

Mai-Kero wrote:

Guys, just so you know, it's Taskmaster. That's why he's not in Thunderbolts. Justice like lightning? fuck that.

Justice like swords.

What?

What the fuck did you say?










Explain Swordsman in Thunderbolts then, mook.

Yeah! You mook, you!

...Wait. Did I just get transported back to 1930? Mook? I think the last time I heard someone say that was in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Does it even count as an insult anymore?

Rociel

Guys, guys. The third announced member:

[spoiler:90dd1d7f6d]DOCTOR MOTHERFUCKING STRANGE[/spoiler:90dd1d7f6d]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97297