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you'll never fill all the bars being consistent pony
there is literally only one instance in the game in which this matters
and it's a very annoying instance that matters very little
samara's loyalty quest. you basically can't get Morinth unless you have an nearly full Paragon OR Renegade bar. Because THAT makes sense.
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I believe you can't side with Miranda instead of Jack after they become loyal, then go and make up with Jack afterwards, unless you're full one way or the other.
this is untrue
you just need to be 3/4 one way or the other
I'm not sure that's accurate; I managed to resolve the Miranda/Jack problem renegade-style fairly early on in the game and I know I didn't have 75% renegade when I did it.
There is some point of conflict as to the difficulty of the confrontation between Miranda and Jack when compared to the confrontation between Tali and Legion among the fan-base. Most believe that a nearly maxed paragon/renegade meter is required at any level for you to diffuse the fight.
This is not the case. It is actually a case of timing and level scaling. The later you put off Jack and Miranda's loyalty missions, the higher the requirement is due to the level scaling. The best solution is to complete their loyalty missions immediately after acquiring them.
Which doesn't clear up exactly how much you need, just that dealing with it earlier is better.
There is some point of conflict as to the difficulty of the confrontation between Miranda and Jack when compared to the confrontation between Tali and Legion among the fan-base. Most believe that a nearly maxed paragon/renegade meter is required at any level for you to diffuse the fight.
This is not the case. It is actually a case of timing and level scaling. The later you put off Jack and Miranda's loyalty missions, the higher the requirement is due to the level scaling. The best solution is to complete their loyalty missions immediately after acquiring them.
Which doesn't clear up exactly how much you need, just that dealing with it earlier is better.
wait so
leaving Samara's mission to do last so I could rack up the most Renegade points to get Morinth actually fucked me over and made it impossible to do?
There is some point of conflict as to the difficulty of the confrontation between Miranda and Jack when compared to the confrontation between Tali and Legion among the fan-base. Most believe that a nearly maxed paragon/renegade meter is required at any level for you to diffuse the fight.
This is not the case. It is actually a case of timing and level scaling. The later you put off Jack and Miranda's loyalty missions, the higher the requirement is due to the level scaling. The best solution is to complete their loyalty missions immediately after acquiring them.
Which doesn't clear up exactly how much you need, just that dealing with it earlier is better.
wait so
leaving Samara's mission to do last so I could rack up the most Renegade points to get Morinth actually fucked me over and made it impossible to do?
holy fuck that's irritating
No, her final check is crazy high no matter what I think.
It's the Tali/Legion Miranda/Jack ones that seem to vary.
There is some point of conflict as to the difficulty of the confrontation between Miranda and Jack when compared to the confrontation between Tali and Legion among the fan-base. Most believe that a nearly maxed paragon/renegade meter is required at any level for you to diffuse the fight.
This is not the case. It is actually a case of timing and level scaling. The later you put off Jack and Miranda's loyalty missions, the higher the requirement is due to the level scaling. The best solution is to complete their loyalty missions immediately after acquiring them.
Which doesn't clear up exactly how much you need, just that dealing with it earlier is better.
wait so
leaving Samara's mission to do last so I could rack up the most Renegade points to get Morinth actually fucked me over and made it impossible to do?
holy fuck that's irritating
It really depends on how fast you're picking up points and levels.
If you don't get the last few class levels til later, you definitely want to save it for later. If you got them early and also got bonus starting points, you might want to do it earlier. But it could be possible that you may never get enough points at any given time to do it.
like stuff with the ending, or apparently how those sorts post-loyalty quest decisions are made
the game is checking numerical values you can't actually see
that's sorta annoying, in its own way
I kinda like it. For some reason I never like it where things go perfectly right in these type of games. It seems...unrealistic.
Best laid plans of mice and men and all that.
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Der Waffle MousBlame this on the misfortune of your birth.New Yark, New Yark.Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
The miranda/jack one was wierd for me because my paragon bar was mostly full and I had like not many renegade points yet I was only able to use the renegade option in the fight.
I dont know what you guys are doing, but I've never powergamed my points and have been able to do all the renegade/paragon options I've come across except Morinth and the interrogation scene.
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WhiteZinfandelYour insidesLet me show you themRegistered Userregular
I dont know what you guys are doing, but I've never powergamed my points and have been able to do all the renegade/paragon options I've come across except Morinth and the interrogation scene.
Heh. I had resolved to do that in the various available ways, but when I got there...
you'll never fill all the bars being consistent pony
there is literally only one instance in the game in which this matters
and it's a very annoying instance that matters very little
samara's loyalty quest. you basically can't get Morinth unless you have an nearly full Paragon OR Renegade bar. Because THAT makes sense.
You know that time it does make sense.
The blue red dialog options are basically mental fortitude points, I mean they're just words techinically you should be able to say them no matter what, the idea is that you can say them forcefully and with conviction.
And you aren't making those choices to recruit mornith, you're doing it when you are fighting her off when she tries to brain fuck you. The actual choice where you side with samara or her daughter is a regular choice, just the choices preceeding it isn't.
also, trying to play "Pure Paragon" or "Pure Renegade" in ME2 makes absolutely zero sense
because trying to pick all the Renegade or Paragon options all the time will make your actions make no fucking sense
like talking with the Illusive Man, sometimes the Renegade options are "FUCK CERBERUS AND FUCK YOU, I DO THINGS MY WAY"
and other times it's like "RIGHT, PRAISE HUMANITY AND CERBERUS ALL THE WAY"
even people who are consistently dickheads are consistent about what they are dickheads about
seems like siding with cerberus should be almost separated from renegade/paragon
because renegades might not appreciate any sort of authority, especially not one that puts an AI and 2 of its agents on your ship to keep you in check. you never had to put up with that when you were a spectre, and i'd classify those kinds of thoughts as renegade thoughts
and equally, paragons might understand that cerberus is the only organisation able to handle this crisis at the moment, so siding with them is a good idea, and you might even be able to influence the organisation for the better, like miranda said. that's a paragon sort of ideal.
also, trying to play "Pure Paragon" or "Pure Renegade" in ME2 makes absolutely zero sense
because trying to pick all the Renegade or Paragon options all the time will make your actions make no fucking sense
like talking with the Illusive Man, sometimes the Renegade options are "FUCK CERBERUS AND FUCK YOU, I DO THINGS MY WAY"
and other times it's like "RIGHT, PRAISE HUMANITY AND CERBERUS ALL THE WAY"
even people who are consistently dickheads are consistent about what they are dickheads about
seems like siding with cerberus should be almost separated from renegade/paragon
because renegades might not appreciate any sort of authority, especially not one that puts an AI and 2 of its agents on your ship to keep you in check. you never had to put up with that when you were a spectre, and i'd classify those kinds of thoughts as renegade thoughts
and equally, paragons might understand that cerberus is the only organisation able to handle this crisis at the moment, so siding with them is a good idea, and you might even be able to influence the organisation for the better, like miranda said. that's a paragon sort of ideal.
unfortunately the game does not support this viewpoint
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
Not really cerberus didn't exactly hinder you on your mission to save the galaxy, they may hinder you when you blow up the base, but that's not technically part of the mission.
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I'm not sure that's accurate; I managed to resolve the Miranda/Jack problem renegade-style fairly early on in the game and I know I didn't have 75% renegade when I did it.
This is not the case. It is actually a case of timing and level scaling. The later you put off Jack and Miranda's loyalty missions, the higher the requirement is due to the level scaling. The best solution is to complete their loyalty missions immediately after acquiring them.
Which doesn't clear up exactly how much you need, just that dealing with it earlier is better.
Don't even feel like I've been inconsistent in doing it, although it does mean never being neutral
wait so
holy fuck that's irritating
No, her final check is crazy high no matter what I think.
It's the Tali/Legion Miranda/Jack ones that seem to vary.
ballhockey, because i did every dialogue choice correctly
i think that your level factors into how high a score you need in Paragon/Renegade
which is bullshit.
like stuff with the ending, or apparently how those sorts post-loyalty quest decisions are made
the game is checking numerical values you can't actually see
that's sorta annoying, in its own way
It really depends on how fast you're picking up points and levels.
If you don't get the last few class levels til later, you definitely want to save it for later. If you got them early and also got bonus starting points, you might want to do it earlier. But it could be possible that you may never get enough points at any given time to do it.
I kinda like it. For some reason I never like it where things go perfectly right in these type of games. It seems...unrealistic.
Best laid plans of mice and men and all that.
Heh. I had resolved to do that in the various available ways, but when I got there...
I just couldn't not punch the guy over and over.
You know that time it does make sense.
And you aren't making those choices to recruit mornith, you're doing it when you are fighting her off when she tries to brain fuck you. The actual choice where you side with samara or her daughter is a regular choice, just the choices preceeding it isn't.
Vivienne didn't log out.
angry face.
seems like siding with cerberus should be almost separated from renegade/paragon
because renegades might not appreciate any sort of authority, especially not one that puts an AI and 2 of its agents on your ship to keep you in check. you never had to put up with that when you were a spectre, and i'd classify those kinds of thoughts as renegade thoughts
and equally, paragons might understand that cerberus is the only organisation able to handle this crisis at the moment, so siding with them is a good idea, and you might even be able to influence the organisation for the better, like miranda said. that's a paragon sort of ideal.
unfortunately the game does not support this viewpoint
Satans..... hints.....
It actually makes more sense not to blow up the base.
I mean realistically, the normandy is the only ship that can go through the omega 4 relay.
Sheperd could keep the base in tact and just hand it over to the council.
Unfortunately though, that's not a game choice.
Satans..... hints.....
The Council would just say it was a Collector Base, and nothing to do with "Reapers".
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also earth issued special ops coffins can come in krogan size for some reason