Part of me is sad I have relatives in town and can't play. Another part is relieved I'm not going to lose again so soon to Invisible Sucker.
Did you sealed deck players see that Ben Stark interview from the GP over the weekend? Fascinating. He basically invalidates aggro as a strategy in sealed, which is blowing my mind a little.
Part of me is sad I have relatives in town and can't play. Another part is relieved I'm not going to lose again so soon to Invisible Sucker.
Did you sealed deck players see that Ben Stark interview from the GP over the weekend? Fascinating. He basically invalidates aggro as a strategy in sealed, which is blowing my mind a little.
Is this interview on the mothership? Because I'd be really curious about that, considering the best decks in each of the PEs I participated in over the weekend were W/x or B/R aggro decks. Or at least they were significantly more aggressive than the majority of the field.
Part of me is sad I have relatives in town and can't play. Another part is relieved I'm not going to lose again so soon to Invisible Sucker.
Did you sealed deck players see that Ben Stark interview from the GP over the weekend? Fascinating. He basically invalidates aggro as a strategy in sealed, which is blowing my mind a little.
Is this interview on the mothership? Because I'd be really curious about that, considering the best decks in each of the PEs I participated in over the weekend were W/x or B/R aggro decks. Or at least they were significantly more aggressive than the majority of the field.
Yep. Sorry, hard to link from a phone. Day 1 of the GP I think.
I don't think it matters that much what format you're playing – aggressive decks just aren't good enough to win consistently in Sealed. If you try to play an aggressive Sealed Deck, and your opponent kills one of your early creatures, it's so difficult for you to win. And since pretty much everyone has removal since you open 6 packs, I'd rather just play good cards.
I think I wanna try out a swiss Innistrad draft(?); it seems the best choice for someone wanting to try playing draft for the first time. Would any of you dudes like to play my cheap 2 ticket deck?
Kaseius, draft is the best and swiss is a good entry. Make sure your MTGO account has draft recording enabled. Then you can upload the draft to raredraft.com, link it here and we can provide feedback on picks. Like meta taking his EDH raredraft P2P1 over the perfectly solid Crossway Vampire (who then tables.)
I don't think it matters that much what format you're playing – aggressive decks just aren't good enough to win consistently in Sealed. If you try to play an aggressive Sealed Deck, and your opponent kills one of your early creatures, it's so difficult for you to win. And since pretty much everyone has removal since you open 6 packs, I'd rather just play good cards.
There's another rule of thumb about metagame deck choices that goes along with this. The idea is that, to win, you either want your deck to be just a little bit slower, or way, way faster than your opponent. If your deck plays 3/3s for 3 and mine plays 4/4s for 4, I'll stabilize before you can beat me, but if you're playing 2/2s for 1 or 2 and I'm playing 6/6s for 6, you'll win. Because most sealed decks end up being built as midrange decks + removal (as Ben Stark says), it isn't feasible to build a deck that is way faster than that.
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Forgot to turn on my draft recorder, but just took 1st in an ISD Swiss Draft.
Traveler's Amulet was swapped with a Manor Skeleton before games started. Did not regret that decision at all. Lantern Spirit MVP.
Highlights:
Turn 6 Army of the Damned with 2x Assistants
Using an Assistant with no way to spend the mana and milling Army of the Damned with exactly 10 mana available
eeSanG on
Slice like a god damn hammer. LoL: Rafflesia / BNet: Talonflame#11979
Well, I've learned not to draft anymore. I don't think I'll spend any more on MtGO either unless I can build a deck that I want to practice with for cheap.
Well, I've learned not to draft anymore. I don't think I'll spend any more on MtGO either unless I can build a deck that I want to practice with for cheap.
::good natured side pat of consolation::
Welcome to MTGO. I haven't played in online months, but the crit failures forum is so not casual or really limited oriented.
All that said, drafting in MTGO is still a good draft engine.
Well, I've learned not to draft anymore. I don't think I'll spend any more on MtGO either unless I can build a deck that I want to practice with for cheap.
Drafting is definitely not a thing to jump into without lots of preparation and format knowledge. There's a reason I put a warning in the OP, though I realize most folks probably don't see it.
Well, I've learned not to draft anymore. I don't think I'll spend any more on MtGO either unless I can build a deck that I want to practice with for cheap.
Drafting is definitely not a thing to jump into without lots of preparation and format knowledge. There's a reason I put a warning in the OP, though I realize most folks probably don't see it.
Meta, what was up with that Pack 1 Pick 10 wings over rally? Am I rating rally too much or what, because it's been a bomb card for me every time so far.
Well, I've learned not to draft anymore. I don't think I'll spend any more on MtGO either unless I can build a deck that I want to practice with for cheap.
Drafting is definitely not a thing to jump into without lots of preparation and format knowledge. There's a reason I put a warning in the OP, though I realize most folks probably don't see it.
Meta, what was up with that Pack 1 Pick 10 wings over rally? Am I rating rally too much or what, because it's been a bomb card for me every time so far.
I probably would have like Rally in that deck, but I'd said Cobbled Wings is definitely the correct pick in a vacuum, as flying is so centralized in White and Blue that it can be really great to get your durdles into the air. And at that point in the draft, I wasn't really committed to anything. Signals were all kinds of fucked.
For those of you playing the home game, Iolo needed it brought home because he played a sealed pool last night with a preposterous pool: Garruk Relentless, Bloodline Keeper, Sever the Bloodline, Elder Pump Your Guys, Mayor of Avathingy and a great curve of GB dudes with a few tricks.
Then either the system borked or (more likely) I did not actually submit my deck and had to play the first game of each match with a 140 card deck. I managed 2-2 for 3 packs plus selling the Garruk, so it certainly could have been worse. Too bad, though. It will be a long time before I see a pool that good again.
Then either the system borked or (more likely) I did not actually submit my deck and had to play the first game of each match with a 140 card deck. I managed 2-2 for 3 packs plus selling the Garruk, so it certainly could have been worse. Too bad, though. It will be a long time before I see a pool that good again.
Oh so that's what happens. I played a guy once with a ridiculous deck like that, who then proceeded to beat me in games 2 and three. I thought he was just doing it for the challenge or to humiliate his opponents.
At least your'll get reimbursed, right Iolo? Any time that has happened to me, I've gotten reimbursed by submitting a ticket explaining I had, in fact, clicked submit deck.
Does anyone know a sealed deck generator that doesn't produce rampant duplicates? Magic Draft Sim is nice as hell, but I keep refreshing my sealed pools until I see something that doesn't look degenerate. (IF duplicate rares, or 3 of unc, or 3 duplicates of uncommons, I refresh)
Does anyone know a sealed deck generator that doesn't produce rampant duplicates? Magic Draft Sim is nice as hell, but I keep refreshing my sealed pools until I see something that doesn't look degenerate. (IF duplicate rares, or 3 of unc, or 3 duplicates of uncommons, I refresh)
But those sorts of pools are actually pretty common in this format. Seems like the additional parallel print-run for DFCs made things a bit goofy in that regard.
Does anyone know a sealed deck generator that doesn't produce rampant duplicates? Magic Draft Sim is nice as hell, but I keep refreshing my sealed pools until I see something that doesn't look degenerate. (IF duplicate rares, or 3 of unc, or 3 duplicates of uncommons, I refresh)
But those sorts of pools are actually pretty common in this format. Seems like the additional parallel print-run for DFCs made things a bit goofy in that regard.
Hrm. I hadn't thought of that... Still, these seem really weird. I'll see if the 2012 pools are also off. Thanks meta.
Does anyone know a sealed deck generator that doesn't produce rampant duplicates? Magic Draft Sim is nice as hell, but I keep refreshing my sealed pools until I see something that doesn't look degenerate. (IF duplicate rares, or 3 of unc, or 3 duplicates of uncommons, I refresh)
But those sorts of pools are actually pretty common in this format. Seems like the additional parallel print-run for DFCs made things a bit goofy in that regard.
Hrm. I hadn't thought of that... Still, these seem really weird. I'll see if the 2012 pools are also off. Thanks meta.
It's only an anecdotal statement of course, but I did open a pool with:
2x Creepy Doll
2x Stensia Bloodhall
3x Skirsdag Cultist
3x Into the Maw of Hell
2x Grasp of Phantoms
and other weird clumps. I don't remember 6 Scars Sealed ever looking that weird, and they've definitely been experimenting with collation, so whoooooo knows. Also, open 3+ Mythics in Sealed is also very common it seems.
I'm currently in a sealed swiss, heading into the finals vs. Foil Liliana + Reaper of the Abyss U/B control.
So far, each of my opponents has made sure to angrily comment on how awkward my three-color manabase is before being defeated.
Hopefully this trend will continue, but I have my doubts.
EDIT: 4-0'd with panache, as I was able Rage Thrower lock my opponent's Reaper from the Abyss. Liliana was kinda enough to just chill on the sidelines.
i hope i keep getting lilis (2 of), garruks, snapcasters, trafts etc in my drafts, i think ive played about 10 and even though i keep losing they pay for more drafts
i hope i keep getting lilis (2 of), garruks, snapcasters, trafts etc in my drafts, i think ive played about 10 and even though i keep losing they pay for more drafts
well i have not been playing very long prerelease at a store near me for isd were my first games (i knew the basics from trying it years ago) but noone plays draft around here so mtgo is my only source for it
i have been watching channel fireball and scg vids though to get better
I just keep hoping that a decklist comes out that uses new Tezz. I want to sell some that I have, but at the current price I'm not going to let them go.
@peacekeeper - That face was because I was jealous at your implied cracking of multiple Lilianas and Garruks, not an evaluation of your playskill. I mysteriously have 6 Balefire Dragons and 3 Mikaeus, but 0 Liliana.
@ZeroCow - It's pretty weird that the U/B Tezz decks didn't survive the rotation, considering they really didn't use anything from Zendikar block that I can think of, so I wouldn't be surprised if the metagame shifts a little bit and Tezz 2.0 makes a return.
Peackeeper, go check out raredrafts.com! You can upload your MTGO drafts and make comments. (it also gives me something to look at while at work, so appease me)
@peacekeeper - Other than P1p2 - Forbidden Alchemy over Into the Maw of Hell and P1p3 - Think Twice over Geistflame, that draft looked really solid. I just don't see a good reason to immediately move away from red, when you see two good on-color options that also go well with Charmbreaker Devil. And unless you're playing blue AND black, there isn't much reason to value Forbidden Alchemy that high.
i just did a draft earlier, with blue red again and tried rakish heir and geistflame. rakish heir is pretty good, i had an olivia so i splashed a couple of swamps and had her swinging getting even more pumps from the heir. but the giestflame was terrible every game
That's a shame. Geistflame is sometimes exactly the card you need to stay alive. If you find yourself up against a deck with no werewolves, and nothing but large creatures, maybe you can sideboard it out.
But at the end of the day, that one damage can make a big difference in blocking and attacking.
That's a shame. Geistflame is sometimes exactly the card you need to stay alive. If you find yourself up against a deck with no werewolves, and nothing but large creatures, maybe you can sideboard it out.
But at the end of the day, that one damage can make a big difference in blocking and attacking.
Geistflame shut me down bad in my white/green humans/werewolves deck. Lots of humans getting picked off before they could accrue counters/preempting my ambush vipers/transforming back my werewolves.
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Did you sealed deck players see that Ben Stark interview from the GP over the weekend? Fascinating. He basically invalidates aggro as a strategy in sealed, which is blowing my mind a little.
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Is this interview on the mothership? Because I'd be really curious about that, considering the best decks in each of the PEs I participated in over the weekend were W/x or B/R aggro decks. Or at least they were significantly more aggressive than the majority of the field.
Yep. Sorry, hard to link from a phone. Day 1 of the GP I think.
EDIT: Here it is.
This is the gist of it, although he goes on to make a more detailed case:
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I did a pretty detailed write up over on the salvation boards that I'll link here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=367158
Was rather nerve-wracking.
Kaseius, draft is the best and swiss is a good entry. Make sure your MTGO account has draft recording enabled. Then you can upload the draft to raredraft.com, link it here and we can provide feedback on picks. Like meta taking his EDH raredraft P2P1 over the perfectly solid Crossway Vampire (who then tables.)
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Getting started with BATTLETECH: Part 1 / Part 2
There's another rule of thumb about metagame deck choices that goes along with this. The idea is that, to win, you either want your deck to be just a little bit slower, or way, way faster than your opponent. If your deck plays 3/3s for 3 and mine plays 4/4s for 4, I'll stabilize before you can beat me, but if you're playing 2/2s for 1 or 2 and I'm playing 6/6s for 6, you'll win. Because most sealed decks end up being built as midrange decks + removal (as Ben Stark says), it isn't feasible to build a deck that is way faster than that.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
Finals opponent had:
Daybreak Ranger
Falkenrath Mauraders
Mikaeus, the Lunarch
Geist-Honored Monk
Runechanter's Pike
Traveler's Amulet was swapped with a Manor Skeleton before games started. Did not regret that decision at all. Lantern Spirit MVP.
Highlights:
Turn 6 Army of the Damned with 2x Assistants
Using an Assistant with no way to spend the mana and milling Army of the Damned with exactly 10 mana available
Slice like a god damn hammer. LoL: Rafflesia / BNet: Talonflame#11979
::good natured side pat of consolation::
Welcome to MTGO. I haven't played in online months, but the crit failures forum is so not casual or really limited oriented.
All that said, drafting in MTGO is still a good draft engine.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
Drafting is definitely not a thing to jump into without lots of preparation and format knowledge. There's a reason I put a warning in the OP, though I realize most folks probably don't see it.
Had a 2nd round knockout with this mediocre B/W build last night: http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=2zc9u
At least I grabbed my fourth Snapcaster.
Meta, what was up with that Pack 1 Pick 10 wings over rally? Am I rating rally too much or what, because it's been a bomb card for me every time so far.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
I probably would have like Rally in that deck, but I'd said Cobbled Wings is definitely the correct pick in a vacuum, as flying is so centralized in White and Blue that it can be really great to get your durdles into the air. And at that point in the draft, I wasn't really committed to anything. Signals were all kinds of fucked.
A more expansive recap: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=367919
Brought it home, just for you Iolo.
For those of you playing the home game, Iolo needed it brought home because he played a sealed pool last night with a preposterous pool: Garruk Relentless, Bloodline Keeper, Sever the Bloodline, Elder Pump Your Guys, Mayor of Avathingy and a great curve of GB dudes with a few tricks.
Then either the system borked or (more likely) I did not actually submit my deck and had to play the first game of each match with a 140 card deck. I managed 2-2 for 3 packs plus selling the Garruk, so it certainly could have been worse. Too bad, though. It will be a long time before I see a pool that good again.
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Oh so that's what happens. I played a guy once with a ridiculous deck like that, who then proceeded to beat me in games 2 and three. I thought he was just doing it for the challenge or to humiliate his opponents.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
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But those sorts of pools are actually pretty common in this format. Seems like the additional parallel print-run for DFCs made things a bit goofy in that regard.
Hrm. I hadn't thought of that... Still, these seem really weird. I'll see if the 2012 pools are also off. Thanks meta.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
It's only an anecdotal statement of course, but I did open a pool with:
2x Creepy Doll
2x Stensia Bloodhall
3x Skirsdag Cultist
3x Into the Maw of Hell
2x Grasp of Phantoms
and other weird clumps. I don't remember 6 Scars Sealed ever looking that weird, and they've definitely been experimenting with collation, so whoooooo knows. Also, open 3+ Mythics in Sealed is also very common it seems.
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So far, each of my opponents has made sure to angrily comment on how awkward my three-color manabase is before being defeated.
Hopefully this trend will continue, but I have my doubts.
EDIT: 4-0'd with panache, as I was able Rage Thrower lock my opponent's Reaper from the Abyss. Liliana was kinda enough to just chill on the sidelines.
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There were 9 rares in that pool (1 foil, 2 DFC, 6 Regular). It was weird.
i have been watching channel fireball and scg vids though to get better
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@ZeroCow - It's pretty weird that the U/B Tezz decks didn't survive the rotation, considering they really didn't use anything from Zendikar block that I can think of, so I wouldn't be surprised if the metagame shifts a little bit and Tezz 2.0 makes a return.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=307u7
Wow! Talk about sticking to your guns. I don't think I could have let those rakish heirs go past me...
Glad it worked out, and thanks for sharing.
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But congrats on the win!
i just did a draft earlier, with blue red again and tried rakish heir and geistflame. rakish heir is pretty good, i had an olivia so i splashed a couple of swamps and had her swinging getting even more pumps from the heir. but the giestflame was terrible every game
But at the end of the day, that one damage can make a big difference in blocking and attacking.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
Geistflame shut me down bad in my white/green humans/werewolves deck. Lots of humans getting picked off before they could accrue counters/preempting my ambush vipers/transforming back my werewolves.