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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I really kind of feel like trans people are being overlooked a little bit. There are probably a lot of laws against us that we never even hear about.

    For instance, I heard about one that strips away our rights as a protected class vs discrimination. Not sure where it was. Can we expand the breadth of the next thread to include trans issues along with LGB?

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I really kind of feel like trans people are being overlooked a little bit. There are probably a lot of laws against us that we never even hear about.

    For instance, I heard about one that strips away our rights as a protected class vs discrimination. Not sure where it was. Can we expand the breadth of the next thread to include trans issues along with LGB?

    Make a separate thread.

    I'm sure it will be equal.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2011
    NOM really confuses me.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I assume they mean, the sounds of the words if ran backwards, because the letters clearly don't spell it backwards. But I've never tried to listen to "Yes we can" in reverse.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    "This new al-Qaida magazine for women has beauty tips and suicide-bomber tips! Gimme a break! That is as ridiculous as two men kissing on the mouth! And I don't care what is politically correct. Everyone knows that two men on a wedding cake is a comedy skit, not an "alternate lifestyle"! There I said it! Ridiculous! Did you see "Glee" this week? Sickening! And, besides shoving the gay thing down our throats, they made a mockery of Christians – again! I wonder what their agenda is? Hey, producers of "Glee" – what's your agenda? One-way tolerance?"
    She reminds me of Ms. Piggy from the Muppets.

    And what the fuck is "one-way tolerance"?
    We really need to find a better term than "tolerance."

    Because, I mean, I "tolerate" Christians; I don't really "tolerate" gay people any more than I "tolerate" black people, or women, or short people; I don't really begrudge their existence in any way, so I don't think that that really counts as "tolerance."

    I guess there's not really a word for "don't particularly care about that facet of your being, other than it being used as an easy descriptor."

    What? Like you're never talking about someone with someone else, and they don't recognize the person, and you say "you know, Todd; the gay guy?" Or "the Arab guy who's always standing near the explosives; you know, whatsisname."

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Isn't that just apathy?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    "Tolerance" and "accountability" are quickly becoming my two least favorite words in the english language. Because they skew the conversation by being shittier versions of "acceptance" and "responsibility." The first set is just the second set if they're only applied when someone is looking over your shoulder.

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  • LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I assume they mean, the sounds of the words if ran backwards, because the letters clearly don't spell it backwards. But I've never tried to listen to "Yes we can" in reverse.

    Wouldn't that sound more like . . . "Nack ee-wuh seh-yee"?

    On the televised gay kiss thing, I also thought the first male gay kiss was on Will & Grace. Though Will Riker fell in love with and kissed that gender-neutral alien, that seems like it should be a first SOMETHING.

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  • VisserianVisserian Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LadyM wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I assume they mean, the sounds of the words if ran backwards, because the letters clearly don't spell it backwards. But I've never tried to listen to "Yes we can" in reverse.

    Wouldn't that sound more like . . . "Nack ee-wuh seh-yee"?

    On the televised gay kiss thing, I also thought the first male gay kiss was on Will & Grace. Though Will Riker fell in love with and kissed that gender-neutral alien, that seems like it should be a first SOMETHING.

    I do recall hearing somewhere that Jonathan Frakes was pushing for the actor playing the Alien in that episode to be a man instead of a woman so the plot would have more resonance. And that he was upset when a woman was cast because he felt the message was being lost.

    So for a first something... How about first instance of me hearing about an artist trying to stand up and defend his craft?

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  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    I read somewhere that the producers in star trek had a huge bias against gay male relationships.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    "Tolerance" and "accountability" are quickly becoming my two least favorite words in the english language. Because they skew the conversation by being shittier versions of "acceptance" and "responsibility." The first set is just the second set if they're only applied when someone is looking over your shoulder.

    I'ma steal this.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Visserian wrote: »
    LadyM wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I assume they mean, the sounds of the words if ran backwards, because the letters clearly don't spell it backwards. But I've never tried to listen to "Yes we can" in reverse.

    Wouldn't that sound more like . . . "Nack ee-wuh seh-yee"?

    On the televised gay kiss thing, I also thought the first male gay kiss was on Will & Grace. Though Will Riker fell in love with and kissed that gender-neutral alien, that seems like it should be a first SOMETHING.

    I do recall hearing somewhere that Jonathan Frakes was pushing for the actor playing the Alien in that episode to be a man instead of a woman so the plot would have more resonance. And that he was upset when a woman was cast because he felt the message was being lost.

    So for a first something... How about first instance of me hearing about an artist trying to stand up and defend his craft?

    That's a true story as far as I know. Star Trek actors have been pushing for controversial content to be included since back when Shatner/Nichols pushed for their kiss to be shown full on in Plato's Stepchildren.

    It's the producers who are conservative, not the actors.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Thirith wrote: »
    I think Deep Space Nine may have had the first kiss between women on a network TV series. And differently from the first interracial kiss (on Star Trek: TOS) it wasn't forced by some near-omnicient character... although admittedly one of the women had previously been a man. It's a symbiont thing.

    Actually, that was TNG. It was Crusher, and she fell in love with a symbiont. One of the first introductions to the species.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Visserian wrote: »
    LadyM wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    One of the comments in the video above ends with, "YES WE CAN = Thank YOU Satan ! backwards" What the fuck is the matter with people?

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I assume they mean, the sounds of the words if ran backwards, because the letters clearly don't spell it backwards. But I've never tried to listen to "Yes we can" in reverse.

    Wouldn't that sound more like . . . "Nack ee-wuh seh-yee"?

    On the televised gay kiss thing, I also thought the first male gay kiss was on Will & Grace. Though Will Riker fell in love with and kissed that gender-neutral alien, that seems like it should be a first SOMETHING.

    I do recall hearing somewhere that Jonathan Frakes was pushing for the actor playing the Alien in that episode to be a man instead of a woman so the plot would have more resonance. And that he was upset when a woman was cast because he felt the message was being lost.

    So for a first something... How about first instance of me hearing about an artist trying to stand up and defend his craft?

    That's a true story as far as I know. Star Trek actors have been pushing for controversial content to be included since back when Shatner/Nichols pushed for their kiss to be shown full on in Plato's Stepchildren.

    It's the producers who are conservative, not the actors.
    Yeah, from what I read they did takes both ways and Shatner deliberately flubbed the takes without the kiss.
    slightly topical: He's 80 today.

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  • LadyMLadyM Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I read somewhere that the producers in star trek had a huge bias against gay male relationships.

    The original Star Trek producers or all the Star Trek producers (DS9, TNG, etc)? Because that episode I mentioned with Riker and the genderless alien species was an obvious metaphor about accepting gays.

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  • Curly_BraceCurly_Brace Robot Girl Mimiga VillageRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LadyM wrote: »
    I read somewhere that the producers in star trek had a huge bias against gay male relationships.

    The original Star Trek producers or all the Star Trek producers (DS9, TNG, etc)? Because that episode I mentioned with Riker and the genderless alien species was an obvious metaphor about accepting gays.

    On the TNG episode "The Host" Dr. Crusher has the hots for a male Trill and when the Trill gets a female host, she does not pursue the romance. Apparently Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher) was pretty upset about this and thought it came across as homophobic.

    But yeah, either the writers, the producers or the studio big-wigs really have it out for any LGBT characters on any Trek show.

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  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    LadyM wrote: »
    I read somewhere that the producers in star trek had a huge bias against gay male relationships.

    The original Star Trek producers or all the Star Trek producers (DS9, TNG, etc)? Because that episode I mentioned with Riker and the genderless alien species was an obvious metaphor about accepting gays.

    TNG and DS9. I mean like was said, Frakes wanted a male actor to play that alien but that was shot down.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    LadyM wrote: »
    I read somewhere that the producers in star trek had a huge bias against gay male relationships.

    The original Star Trek producers or all the Star Trek producers (DS9, TNG, etc)? Because that episode I mentioned with Riker and the genderless alien species was an obvious metaphor about accepting gays.

    On the TNG episode "The Host" Dr. Crusher has the hots for a male Trill and when the Trill gets a female host, she does not pursue the romance. Apparently Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher) was pretty upset about this and thought it came across as homophobic.

    But yeah, either the writers, the producers or the studio big-wigs really have it out for any LGBT characters on any Trek show.

    She was upset about it, and she pushed for her character to have some sort of an intimate goodbye kiss with the (now female) trill instead of the extremely awkward goodbye that they ended up having.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    What season were those episodes? And I wonder where in the chain of command it was shot down (from the Trek staff or the Paramount staff)?

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  • Curly_BraceCurly_Brace Robot Girl Mimiga VillageRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Rick Berman swears he had no part in it, yet some of the staff insist he did. Then again, TNG had some asshole writers & directors. Personally I'd put my money on an studio exec poo-pooing the idea.

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  • VisserianVisserian Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Rick Berman swears he had no part in it, yet some of the staff insist he did. Then again, TNG had some asshole writers & directors. Personally I'd put my money on an studio exec poo-pooing the idea.

    I do recall one change that was made for the better. Didn't Whoopi Goldberg manage to change one of the lines on the show because she was upset about the way her character was defining love?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Guys, it's the gay marriage thread, not the ten-year-old sci-fi shows thread.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Avery Brooks got the ending changed for DS9 because he didn't want to send an image of another fatherless african american child out there.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Guys, it's the gay marriage thread, not the ten-year-old sci-fi shows thread.
    Actually, it's the gay rights thread, and media depiction definitely fits within that topic.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Guys, it's the gay marriage thread, not the ten-year-old sci-fi shows thread.
    Actually, it's the gay rights thread, and media depiction definitely fits within that topic.
    I'm really far more interested in what's going on in politics today than what wasn't depicted in ten-year-old sci-fi TV shows.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Yes, well, sometimes there are slow news days. Star Trek is still relevant to this discussion.

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  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Guys, it's the gay marriage thread, not the ten-year-old sci-fi shows thread.
    Actually, it's the gay rights thread, and media depiction definitely fits within that topic.
    I'm really far more interested in what's going on in politics today than what wasn't depicted in ten-year-old sci-fi TV shows.

    Then maybe you should check out one of the threads dealing with politics?

    EDIT: Here's something.

    US demanding gay rights support at UN body

    http://hosted2.ap.org/apdefault/54828a5e8d9d48b7ba8b94ba38a9ef22/Article_2011-03-21-US-Gay%20Rights/id-f9507a9df47c479c8117484b8c42fb07

    While I'm well aware that I do have it better in the United States than members of the LGBT community in other countries I still can't help but roll my eyes at this and think of it as a "Do as we say and not as we do." kind of scenario.
    ...the U.S. was proud to be taking a leading role in promoting the idea that gay rights are human rights...

    You don't say.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    I agree that media depiction is valid, but could we reach compromise and limit ourselves to shows currently airing?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I agree that media depiction is valid, but could we reach compromise and limit ourselves to shows currently airing?
    Seriously.

    Hey guys, I felt that Archie Bunker was really homophobic. This seems topical.

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  • Saint MadnessSaint Madness Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Well for news we have this thing about the UN.

    African and Arab countries have consistently blocked any resolutions supporting LGBT rights or condemning homophobia, occasionally with Republican help.

    Today Obama has called for the UN to battle homophobic discrimination. It will likely be toothless, like practically everything the UN does but it's a nice gesture I guess...

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Melkster wrote: »
    Alright. So, I'm a gay. And I've thought about these stereotypes for a while. Here's my conclusion:

    I don't think there's anything we need to be ashamed of when it comes to shows like Queer Eye or Glee or anything else where there are gays who fit the stereotype. Not even the tiniest iota of regret. There is, in fact, a significant portion of gay dudes who do fit the stereotype -- they're sassy and effeminate and great with fashion -- and they should continue to be embraced. And there's nothing wrong with that.

    Fuck, I have to run but I'll finish this thought in a bit.

    I think I know where you're heading, though.

    The stereotypes of gay culture shouldn't have to overcome hurdles to gain acceptance, even if they're not as pervasive as some would believe. But it does come down, at some point, to an issue of standing on strict principle or bending a bit temporarily to expedite changes that would otherwise take much longer to come about.

    There isn't anything inherently wrong about, say, RuPaul being a spokesperson for the gay community, but he is a lightning rod for the preconceptions of bigots who would slow progress. It's like the old saying, "You'll get further with a smile and a handgun than just a smile alone." The gay community has no leverage really, so they have no handgun. So they need a hell of a smiling face, or at least a familiar one.

    Nothing quite like good old victim blaming. Trying to concede to the bigots doesn't work, and in fact plays into their argument and worldview.

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  • Saint MadnessSaint Madness Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The European microstate Liechtenstein has introduced civil unions.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I really kind of feel like trans people are being overlooked a little bit. There are probably a lot of laws against us that we never even hear about.

    For instance, I heard about one that strips away our rights as a protected class vs discrimination. Not sure where it was. Can we expand the breadth of the next thread to include trans issues along with LGB?
    holy shit I didn't hear about that one :C
    yes, can we please talk more about trans issues next thread?

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  • Saint MadnessSaint Madness Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I really kind of feel like trans people are being overlooked a little bit. There are probably a lot of laws against us that we never even hear about.

    For instance, I heard about one that strips away our rights as a protected class vs discrimination. Not sure where it was. Can we expand the breadth of the next thread to include trans issues along with LGB?

    You might be thinking about ENDA, it was introduced in 110th Congress by Barney Frank but it couldn't get out of committee with the Transgender protections included so Frank was forced to strip them from the bill. ENDA still hasn't been made law yet.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Nah, I think it was here in Iowa. There was a bill being debated that would remove transgender people from the list of protected classes against discrimination. Haven't heard much about it lately.

    e: Do hope that bill passes though.

    How come it's always the Christian groups? And then when anyone says shit about Christianity it transforms into "OMG PERSECUTION!!!1"

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Not sure if anyone outside of Colorado will care about this but the state senate is currently debating civil unions.

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  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Apple pulled that "cure" app.

    Surprise surprise.

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    adytum wrote: »
    Apple pulled that "cure" app.

    Surprise surprise.

    I just went and read a little about the app but I'm still not sure what the hell it does. How does an app help "cure" someone in the LGBT community?

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    It doesn't. It misrepresents research done by others in such a way to make it seem like it is possible to 'cure' LGBT.

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