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edited August 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmupNxobP0

You got your cowboys vs aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pAsPPDdC8

You got your urban group of military vs aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5mO_kK0v_w

You even have brad pitt vs aliens

This is a thread about movie trailers and not just aliens aight sweet hearts.

I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited January 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    This is a thread about movie trailers and not just aliens aight sweet hearts.

    Preacher is wise and it will pay to heed him.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    This is a thread about movie trailers and not just aliens aight sweet hearts.

    Preacher is wise and it will pay to heed him.

    Make note this is the first my name and wise has been used in sentence with un.

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    JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh Harrison Ford

    I <3 you

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    How could you forget bumbling idiots vs aliens?

    Paul

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Battle: Los Angeles is on my list of 'movies I want to see 2011'.

    Who cares if it's McCliches, I just want a decent alien invasion movie that does have Tom Cruise coming home to his still living family like nothing happened at all.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I forgot about Paul, but at the same time, I can claim that was my anti rogen bias.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    I forgot about Paul, but at the same time, I can claim that was my anti rogen bias.

    I find that an acceptable answer.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I forgot about Paul, but at the same time, I can claim that was my anti rogen bias.

    I find that an acceptable answer.

    Besides I had to set up my illegal alien joke, four trailers is pushing comedic limit.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I forgot about Paul, but at the same time, I can claim that was my anti rogen bias.

    I find that an acceptable answer.

    Besides I had to set up my illegal alien joke, four trailers is pushing comedic limit.

    The rule of 3, sure.

    So, um.... *goes in search of a new trailer that hasn't been posted*.

    All I got is a newPriest TrailerWhich, meh.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Best part of Priest is that Karl Urban is playing the bad guy.

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Karl Urban is pretty alright.

    Man was excellent in Star Trek.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Karl Urban is pretty alright.

    Man was excellent in Star Trek.

    I like him, he was great in Red, Bourne supremecy, lotr etc. He's a solid actor, just that priest looks very much meh.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Karl Urban's best role was the comedy relief in Ghost Ship.

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Missing requisite Alien vs Ninja trailer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-PXdjz5SsM

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    MoridinMoridin Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Tomanta wrote: »

    The rule of 3, sure.

    So, um.... *goes in search of a new trailer that hasn't been posted*.

    All I got is a newPriest TrailerWhich, meh.

    I'm just gonna pretend that this is Legion, and there never was a movie with Dennis Quaid and Paul Bettany with that title.

    We'll come out ahead.

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Moridin wrote: »
    Tomanta wrote: »

    The rule of 3, sure.

    So, um.... *goes in search of a new trailer that hasn't been posted*.

    All I got is a newPriest TrailerWhich, meh.

    I'm just gonna pretend that this is Legion, and there never was a movie with Dennis Quaid and Paul Bettany with that title.

    We'll come out ahead.

    Man, I can't even make it through the trailer before I get bored. Such a 'meh' trailer.

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    shorttiminshorttimin regular Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Moridin wrote: »
    Tomanta wrote: »

    The rule of 3, sure.

    So, um.... *goes in search of a new trailer that hasn't been posted*.

    All I got is a newPriest TrailerWhich, meh.

    I'm just gonna pretend that this is Legion, and there never was a movie with Dennis Quaid and Paul Bettany with that title.

    We'll come out ahead.

    Man, I can't even make it through the trailer before I get bored. Such a 'meh' trailer.

    I'll see it and I'll probably enjoy too. Bettany hasn't done a non-"religious" movie since A Knight's Tale has he? At least nothing I can remember off the top of my head.

    All this trailer really makes me want to see is a movie based off of the priest from Hellsing. That dude was nuts.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ... I may see Priest based on sheer cheesiness alone.

    Though I did manage to dodge Legion despite saying the same thing about that.

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    A Knight's Tale deserved a sequel.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited January 2011
    Nobody seems to know how to do B-movies and make them fun anymore.

    Compare anything in this thread with

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yM3-YO7qHs

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Nobody seems to know how to do B-movies and make them fun anymore.

    Compare anything in this thread with

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yM3-YO7qHs

    It's so true.

    Although, does the Expendables count? It's budget certainly wasn't enormous, but I suppose the cast was.

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hell no.

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    Is it self-awareness?

    B-Movies of yore seemed to be aware of their own camp -- they didn't take themselves too seriously. But maybe it just seems that way to us in retrospect, I don't know.

    But if I had to guess what makes a fun B-movie, I'd assume it's...well, a sense of fun.

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Which The Expendables lacked in spades.

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
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    Which The Expendables lacked in spades.

    Oh I disagree completely. Were you saying "Hell no" because it sucked or because it wasn't a B-movie? I thoroughly enjoyed it because it very much recalled old-school B-movies to me.

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Because it wasn't a fun B-movie.

    Excessive macho posturing, terrible acting, and an awful plot aren't what fun b-movies are about.

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
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    Because it wasn't a fun B-movie.

    Excessive macho posturing, terrible acting, and an awful plot aren't what fun b-movies are about.

    But it seemed like such a self-parody

    It had to be self-aware

    I can't believe anything else

    You know what though -- if nothing else, god bless it for being a self-contained story with a clear dramatic arc, clear villain, clear motives, etc. Simple, but clear.

    I feel like that's a lot more than most action movies can say these days. They all want to build some gigantic fucking fantasy world with a bunch of incoherent bullshit and a too-big narrative that usually just means a lot of exposition and ambiguous motives and consequences that sap tension from the movie.

    There's something to be said for the rather more restrained scope of something like the Expendables.

    Also I maintain that it was tongue-in-cheek, at least partly.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Page- wrote: »
    Because it wasn't a fun B-movie.

    Excessive macho posturing, terrible acting, and an awful plot aren't what fun b-movies are about.

    But it seemed like such a self-parody

    It had to be self-aware

    I can't believe anything else

    You know what though -- if nothing else, god bless it for being a self-contained story with a clear dramatic arc, clear villain, clear motives, etc. Simple, but clear.

    I feel like that's a lot more than most action movies can say these days. They all want to build some gigantic fucking fantasy world with a bunch of incoherent bullshit and a too-big narrative that usually just means a lot of exposition and ambiguous motives and consequences that sap tension from the movie.

    There's something to be said for the rather more restrained scope of something like the Expendables.

    Also I maintain that it was tongue-in-cheek, at least partly.

    i concur. formulas are not bad, when applied well.

    how well the Expendables applied those formulas is a matter of personal opinion, but the application is clear

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It was clearly open ended and sequel bait.

    But the point is not whether it was taking itself seriously or not, it's whether it's a fun b-movie or not. Which it isn't. It's generally considered to be kind of terrible. Compare it to movies like Big Trouble in Little China and Repo Man, which are also b-movies and don't take themselves very seriously, but are also fun to watch and considered to be good movies because of that.

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    edited January 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    i concur. formulas are not bad, when applied well.

    how well the Expendables applied those formulas is a matter of personal opinion, but the application is clear

    Yeah. I don't know what happened to movies when people stopped doing that for the big-budget little-brain movies.

    You know a formulaic movie? Star Wars. The oldest formula in the book, for fuck's sake.

    It's weird. It's like the basics of storytelling have sort of disappeared from most modern big-budget moviemaking, but for the life of me I couldn't tell you why. It's bizarre.

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    Page- wrote: »
    It was clearly open ended and sequel bait.

    But the point is not whether it was taking itself seriously or not, it's whether it's a fun b-movie or not. Which it isn't. It's generally considered to be kind of terrible. Compare it to movies like Big Trouble in Little China and Repo Man, which are also b-movies and don't take themselves very seriously, but are also fun to watch and considered to be good movies because of that.

    OK but those are standout B-movies. Most fun B-movies are not of that caliber. I found it to be fun, and sort of hokey in a way that makes me think of a B-movie.

    It was over-the-top veering into self-parody, there was ample gore, it didn't seem to take itself too seriously and certainly left room for levity, it was built on time-honored formulas and tropes, etc.

    To me, it had the hallmarks of a B-movie, and I found it to be very fun.

    I enjoyed it a lot more than most of the other summer fare in 2010.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    i concur. formulas are not bad, when applied well.

    how well the Expendables applied those formulas is a matter of personal opinion, but the application is clear

    Yeah. I don't know what happened to movies when people stopped doing that for the big-budget little-brain movies.

    You know a formulaic movie? Star Wars. The oldest formula in the book, for fuck's sake.

    It's weird. It's like the basics of storytelling have sort of disappeared from most modern big-budget moviemaking, but for the life of me I couldn't tell you why. It's bizarre.

    I blame special effects advances

    or more accurately

    obsessions with special effects advances

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    FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    i concur. formulas are not bad, when applied well.

    how well the Expendables applied those formulas is a matter of personal opinion, but the application is clear

    Yeah. I don't know what happened to movies when people stopped doing that for the big-budget little-brain movies.

    You know a formulaic movie? Star Wars. The oldest formula in the book, for fuck's sake.

    It's weird. It's like the basics of storytelling have sort of disappeared from most modern big-budget moviemaking, but for the life of me I couldn't tell you why. It's bizarre.

    I blame special effects advances

    or more accurately

    obsessions with special effects advances

    Yeah, I think action movies have forgotten almost entirely that they are stories, and have essentially become really expensive music videos.

    Which probably has something to do with a lot of modern action directors getting their starts in commercials and music videos (fuck yooooooouuuuuu Michael Bay)

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You know what is an excellent B-Movie? Piranha 3D

    i saw the trailer for it, was like "God, I sure hope this movie is what it appears to be"

    and it was, it totally was

    i left that movie having received the movie that i wanted to see, which is really something i can't say about a lot of disappointing films in the past few years

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Look.

    Expendables just wasn't very good.

    Not enough awesome action, not enough of an ensemble piece, not enough good one liners.

    Never heard anyone cite a "that" line. Never heard "You NEED to see scene (X)".

    Which is a very bad sign. Too bad, since Stallone can be pretty good when he's on his game.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    Look.

    Expendables just wasn't very good.

    Not enough awesome action, not enough of an ensemble piece, not enough good one liners.

    Never heard anyone cite a "that" line. Never heard "You NEED to see scene (X)".

    Which is a very bad sign. Too bad, since Stallone can be pretty good when he's on his game.

    The line I'll give you, but please, "the shotgun sequence" was fairly memorable, and comes up on these forums fairly regularly in random threads.

    Edit: of note, I wasn't even that big a fan of the movie, and am not fanboying out in my defense. I just disagree on there not being a scene that people talked about.

    But seriously, some of their "action heroes of our generation" choices were laaaaaaame.

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    edited January 2011
    Pony wrote: »
    You know what is an excellent B-Movie? Piranha 3D

    i saw the trailer for it, was like "God, I sure hope this movie is what it appears to be"

    and it was, it totally was

    i left that movie having received the movie that i wanted to see, which is really something i can't say about a lot of disappointing films in the past few years

    Haha, yeah, I've been meaning to check it out.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    it's also very telling when you have a lot of movie trailers now that are basically just short music videos

    directed by music video directors

    that don't necessarily let you know what the fuck you are watching

    the very first trailer for Inception was fucking terrible at telling you what the hell this movie is.

    look, i don't hate viral marketing

    it can exist, do its own thing, on the internet or whatever

    but when you have a movie trailer that is basically a bunch of random bullshit and then like

    "go to our website to unlock more of the secret!"

    i want to punch those people in the balls

    lookin' at you, JJ Abrams' marketing people

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    There were about 1.5 decent scenes in the entire movie.

    And another 90 minutes of entirely wasted potential.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    like, even the "music video" approach works okay if it shows a bunch of compelling scenes and conveys what the movie is about

    like when I watched the trailer for Battle: Los Angeles, I was like "oh this is a movie about a squad of soldiers fighting against an alien invasion. I assume it focuses on the soldiers itself and not like, a single dad and his plucky daughter"

    according to what i have read of the film, that is accurate

    i appreciate that.

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