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Call of Juarez

KlashKlash Lost...... in the rainRegistered User regular
edited April 2011 in Games and Technology
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A series of games made by Techland, a Polish developer staffed by people with name's that can't be humanly pronounced. Techland made their very own engine(s) for the first Call of Juarez, called the Chrome Engine (3 and 4 are used for the Juarez series, so far). An engine notable for being God damned beautiful and running on even the lowliest of machines.

None of that is what matters, though. The important thing is that Techland like ponies, small towns and horrible Aztec curses that are the dreams and nightmares of all wanton men. They took this love and created the Call of Juarez series, a set of Western themed FPS games for the 360, PS3 and PC.

If you like this guy
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and wondered what would happen if these two
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had a bastard child, then these
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are the games for you.

The first, titled Call of Juarez, stars two-main characters, stealthy, brittle as a straw Billy Candle and his abusive step-uncle Reverend Ray, a former gunslinger straight from the depths of Hell. Billy comes back to town one day to find his step-father and biological mother murdered, with the word "JUAREZ", painted in their blood, across the barn. Having been a no goodnick for parts of his life, when Ray see's Billy hunched over the corpses of his brother and sister-in-law, he heads to Church, picks up a bible and a gun and goes to "redeem" Billy. The hunt, and the adventure, are on.

The second in the series, subtitled Bound in Blood, stars a much larger cast. This is a prequel starring the player as either Ray or his brother Thomas (Billy's step-father), but also introduces their brother William (an important figure regarding Ray's status in the first game), the origins of Juan and Billy's mother, Marisa. The story here revolves around the discovery of the Gold of Juarez, and how it drives the brothers apart and their adventures across the West, from civil war desertion to gun smuggling and injun-fightin'.

In terms of mechanics, the games both have a system of broken-guns to kick-ass dead-eye shooters. The first game is a straight forward Western themed shooter with solid gunplay, a couple segments where Billy sneaks around with a bow & arrow (and he climbs around with a whip/lasso). Ray on the other hand is a duel-wielding mean sumuvabitch in a Conquistador breastplate, who is the very Angel of Death. Along the way as either character, you'll pick up better quality guns (the game has a rusted/cracked/etc status-system for its weapons). The player as Ray can also choose to wield multiple one-handed items at a time (e.x. two types of pistols or a pistol and a hatchet, each controlled/fired separately). There is also a revolutionary feature in the game which allows the player, when playing as Ray, to kill with the power of the God. Sometimes you'll ride a horse.

"Guns and stuff."(Sorry, I couldn't find a clip of Ray actually using the bible, but he holds it out, book open, and reads out quotes while you shoot mans in their faces. Otherwise, thats a clip from the end-game, no spoilers in it, that show cases the basic gameplay as Ray.)

The second game has some less linear elements, involving some levels with a wide open plain and a couple missions to pick and take as you will. Like its predecessor, there are two character at play, however, you chose who to play as at the start of each level. Both Ray and Thomas play differently, with Ray being a tank and Thomas being a suave, Han Solo, rustlin' cowboy that isn't stuck with murderous rage. It also introduces a money-based system to buy newer and better weapons. Also introduced is an ambitious, but often wonky, cover mechanic called "dynamic cover". Move up to cover and your character automatically glues to it, by moving your mouse/stick-that-looks-around, you begin to lean out from cover/back in. There is also a bullet-time of shorts, in which after filling bar by murdering desperados, you'll be able to hammer the hammer on your pistols to pick-off the baddies (but it works slightly different for either brother). You'll ride horses a pretty decent bit in this one.

Both games have a boss-mechanic that, can be, some frustratingly horrible bullshit. Most stages end with a duel-at-dawn between you and the Big Bad. You circle each other, hands tensely circling your holster, wait for the bell to toll and BANG (and in the first CoJ, you can lean side to side, and possibly avoid a shot).

"This is a duel from Bound in Blood."

Currently a third installment, called Call of Juarez: The Cartel is in the works, and was just announced officially this week. The only official news is that it's set in modern Juarez in Mexico and Los Angeles in America. There is other... news, but it's all kind of awful sounding, and I'll let you judge for yourself:
No-one bought this at the time, but a site called Gamers accurately reported on The Cartel’s setting switch in December, 2010. According to the now-believable report, The Cartel will feature four-player co-op and a “corruption” mechanic that’ll pit players against each other. The intel (or translation) here is sketchy, but if true, you’ll be able to take side-missions via cell phone that you don’t want your pals to know about.

Among the other things this article confirms: car chase and shooting segments, hacking, and bullet time. I guess you should still take this aside stuff with a grain of salt, but we'll get confirmation soon enough. Said issue of EGM hits on Feb. 9, 2011.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/call-of-juarez-goes-modern-with-the-cartel/2904/

I'm not entirely sure how they'll work the actual gold of Juarez into things, or even the bloodline of the old cast (which are things I assume, and hope, they'll do). Maybe that the Billy Candle took the gold, started a life in Juarez and eventually his family went broke and his descendants are somehow now involved in Cartel work. All I know is if I can't pull out a Winchester or a quick shooter, I ain't gonna be a happy bandito.

Also, there's some multiplayer in both current iterations, but no one really cares. It's supposed to be pretty nifty, though. If anyone wants to play, I'd be willing to put names in the OP and start a list.

Edit: I did a google search and didn't turn up any CoJ threads here, so I'm hoping this is ok. Also my first ever proper OP, so I hope its not useless crap.

Edit 2: New trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vRJmUz4T2w

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I remember when the first one came out and I was sad that the first PC I had ever built barely ran the demo. A few years down the road I had a much better machine and the game happened to go on sale on Steam, so I bought it. But still, I didn't touch it.

    Then the second game came out and I was surprised at how the podcasts I listened to all really enjoyed it. I was interested enough to give the original CoJ a shot. I can't remember exactly how far I got, but at times it just felt wrong. Mainly the stealth parts. On the other hand, killing dudes with a revolver in one hand and a bible in the other was hilarious.

    Anyhow, maybe I should pick up where I left off once I get through some more of my backlog.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The stealth, as I remember it, was really just "walk past dudes". It wasn't high-grade stealth, it was the type of stealth that FPS games had in the wake of the Thief series. An old-school forced stealth sequence, except it's Billy's entire gimmick. Sneaking at night around the mine area sticks out, but I can't really remember the others. Mostly I remember beating up the entire old West as Ray. I forgot that you can punch dudes to death.

    I never found it to be frustrating or overly difficult, but I did have issues with Billy. There was one mission, where you have to climb a mountain to get an Eagle egg or feather. Something. For some Native guy. Finding the right path, branches and way to climb that was awful, took forever, and lead to endless pointless swinging and falling to your death.

    Bound in Blood improved roping a huge amount by having that little icon that pops up at the appropriate place to toss your line. Also, by not making you climb up a God damned mountain side.

    Its definitely worth playing both of them, once you're in the groove of their respective mechanics, its a real fun time becoming The Stranger With No Name.

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  • l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I liked that Billy mission. It was damned atmospheric and nice just being able to ride your horse around and stuff, which was pretty much exactly the itch Red Dead Redemption scratched.

    I did want to say that I read the news about the new game earlier and was waiting for a thread to be made so I could officially say "What the hell is this bullshit?"

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    If you're a fan of western games, there's no excuse for not owning both.

    And if you suck with Billy... well, it's possible you just suck.

    A third game was just announced too.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Kind of surprised more people aren't interested in CoJ. I thought they were well received games. Definitely in my top 10 FPS of the decade.
    I liked that Billy mission. It was damned atmospheric and nice just being able to ride your horse around and stuff, which was pretty much exactly the itch Red Dead Redemption scratched.

    I did want to say that I read the news about the new game earlier and was waiting for a thread to be made so I could officially say "What the hell is this bullshit?"

    It definitely held a great atmosphere. I couldn't help but try to kill everything, despite it not being the thing to do.

    When Ray went through the area, with that night time going, only a couple campfires, bible quotes and the flash of rifles... That was one of the best sequences in any FPS.

    As for the third game, I have high hopes. I trust Techland, because they've done right so far. Horrible idea, but I trust they'll get the game to feel good.
    A third game was just announced too.

    Info in the OP. :P

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  • MorrandirMorrandir Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Well, I played the first game, if that makes you feel better. I hated Billy though, for whatever reason. The bit at the waterfall when playing as Ray (I assume you know what I refer to) was my favorite part.

    I pumped all the shotgun shells I could through that gun during that sequence.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The singleplayer was always a bit crap, but I enjoyed the multiplayer available in Bound in Blood. It was really good old-timey gunplay. Of course, it was shittily balanced, and the netcode was shit, and I don't know if they ever included the option to host servers, and it was kind of a bad port, and it was published by Ubisoft, but it was fun for what it was.

    The Cartel sounds terrible, though.

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  • KadokenKadoken Giving Ends to my Friends and it Feels Stupendous Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I remember watching a few videos and playing the demo of the second one and noticed that the voice acting was shit (From a butt).

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hey now,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzG0HCgHImo

    That scene is badass.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Ray's upper body moved kinda weird in that cutscene, but the dialogue and VA are great. CoJ nails the Western theme.

    I think my favourite moment would be in the first game, during the mission loading, where Ray reveals how he came to be the bastard he was. That or when a man remarks about having heard stories about a man that wore armour like Ray's, but saying he wasn't no priest, hinting to Ray's past. I just felt like "yeah, you're gonna meet that man soon enough."

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, the Ray reveal is probably the best acted loading screen in existence.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Ray is a stone cold badass.

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  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Can I dual wield pistols in this?

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yes.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The first CoJ was pretty much the closest one will ever get to playing as the Saint of Killers.

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  • DelinatorDelinator Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I loved the second one but will never understand why there was no Coop included.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Can I dual wield pistols in this?

    All God damned day. If you choose to play as Ray in Bound in Blood and during Ray's segments in the first game.

    Nothin' like a set of dual superb quality rangers or superb quality quickshooters and a fistful of dynamite. Feel like Clint Eastwood fused with Stallone.
    Delinator wrote: »
    I loved the second one but will never understand why there was no Coop included.

    On the plus side, Cartel supposedly will have co-op.

    I've been thinking about Cartel, and I'm surprised they went that way. When I think modern outlaws/cowboys I think bikers gangs. They ride iron horses, still wear leather chaps without any hint of irony, smuggle guns and get into bar fights. I'll be baffled if biker gangs don't play a major role in Cartel.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My issue with the second CoJ was that it committed a cardinal sin;

    it was boring.

    Everything looked nice, and it played well - and the online was a bundle of fun (headshots felt really, really satisfying) but the single player just dragged its feet forever. I gave up a little more than halfway through due to lack of excitement.

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  • TurkeyTurkey So, Usoop. TampaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'm going to be picking these games up soon. They seem pretty damn cool

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    They should be fairly cheap now, $20 or less. They fill a niche that no other FPS (and barely any other game) has filled with the theme. If you ever wanted to stroll into a small town, have the residents flee and pull out a six-shooter to mow through the local law, then you're in for a good time.

    The only thing missing is the ability to shoot off people's hats.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    New trailer available. Put it in the OP.

    Looks like we're playing as corrupt cops, and you know what? I'm excited. Gonna be shootin' me some gangsters and stealin' their guns to kill more of 'em.

    More specifically it looks like it'll be some form of joint U.S./Mexican cop team up.

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So is it a third person game now?

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Where'd you get that idea? I haven't seen anything suggesting it was moving away from FPS.

    I sure hope it isn't going RDR. I need my six shooter action through a proper set of eyes.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    You can get Bound in Blood on Steam this weekend along with Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 2 for $12 total this weekend. Seemed like a good deal. Now I just have to get through the first CoJ.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I was inspired to continue my CoJ game today (last time played: sometime in '09) and made it to the 6th episode. Then, for some reason, I wanted to see how Bound in Blood compares to the first one. This was probably a mistake, because playing the original is going to be difficult after seeing all the improvements.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    They are rather different games. It's not going to be that hard.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The final level of the original is still the best in the series.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Lalabox wrote: »
    They are rather different games. It's not going to be that hard.

    It's less about the style of gameplay for me and more about the fact that the first one does not run as well as Bound in Blood. A bit of mouse lag. Still, I'll soldier on.

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  • AydrAydr Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Where is the love for this thread? I want to hear about this series because I'm new to it and I'm a co-op whore so I want The Cartel.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Western games are even more niche than western movies sadly.

    I'm hoping for some over the top Once Upon a Time in Mexico esque set pieces.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Just to follow up on what I posted in here, I played through both games last month and enjoyed them overall, despite being rough in a few spots. Bound in Blood definitely runs a lot better than the first one.

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  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Been playing BiB lately, and those few open levels make me wish Westerns were a bigger thing. A S.T.A.L.K.E.R.-esque Western could be amazing. I don't mean the radioactivity and mutants, but an open world FPS with an interesting backdrop, all things true to the setting and a couple splashes of the "what the fuck!?" variety.

    Nothing like roving the West with a shotgun and a quickshooter, taking jobs for $100 a piece.

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  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yeah, those were cool, but would have been better had they been more fleshed out. I guess I should jump back into Red Dead Redemption soon.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The only thing that irks me about this game is sometimes it just feels like a string of minigames that lead you to the next cutscene. I really gotta load it up and finish it sometime though, it's got a pretty great atmosphere.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    So, anyone pick up The Cartel?

    Had a bunch of free rental slots seeing as there's bloody nothing else out right now and apparently it has 3 player co op.

    360 here.

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Haven't played, but the reviews seem...

    negative. To the point of physical aggression.

  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
  • SteevSteev What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    I'm watching a Giant Bomb quick look of this game. Looks like it has some neat ideas, but also doesn't look like it's particularly good.

    Chances are I'll buy it on Steam for really, really cheap like I did with Bound in Blood.

  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    It's just OK. Nothing more.

    Like it says in the quicklook there are some decent ideas but everything just seems so shoddy and half arsed. Also whoever at Techland thought it was a good idea to have a section where you have to carry a money bag that slows your character to a crawl to a car on the other side of the motorway, which while doing so doesn't allow you to crouch and can only use one magazine of a pistol while facing 30 dudes while your terrible AI partners shoot nothing need to be shot. Also you have to do this three fucking times.

    Music is good though when it's western themed, although it kinda just makes me want to play the first Call of Juarez again.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    SteevL wrote:
    I'm watching a Giant Bomb quick look of this game. Looks like it has some neat ideas, but also doesn't look like it's particularly good.
    "Damnit, why'd you have to go and get Hep. C again!?" *Swallows a bag of gravel.* :lol:

    The whole game seems like it needed at least another years development time. Only impressive thing is that seamless drop-out of co-op.

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