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[Star Trek] Let's make sure history never forgets the name Enterprise
Robman
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So star trek is kind of a thing
Personally I think TNG was the greatest incarnation of Trek and indeed one of the finest science fiction shows ever made. Maybe it's Picard giving his speech at the end of Yesterday's Enterprise
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KFUdU1jaQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=482s
Other times it's exploring the idea of learning to communicate with a truly alien race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukMNfTnI5M8&feature=related
There are also those who think DS9 better, for its strong serial presentation. For the nerdy nerds, you can see Ron Moore's progression from the "actions have consequences" feeling in TNG, to the arcing stories of DS9, into BSG.
The appeal of star trek for many is the idea that humans will one day be able to wander the stars and be able to satisfy our basic needs and turn our attention to what drives our curiosity - is it to be architects? To be explorers? To run a restaurant? To peel potatoes? To swab out the Holodeck after Riker visits it?
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If they do, I hope it will be a DS9 styled story arc oriented series. I've been watching Deep Space 9 a lot as of late, and I've quite been enjoying how episodes seem to 'matter' more in that series, while in TNG and others it just seemed that once an episode was finished, there was no lingering impact to it, that things were wrapped up TOO tidy and conveniently.
Then one day it just sort of clicked. It's mostly her idea to be watching. We're in season 3 now. I think we just finished up episode 19 last night. Good times.
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Don't get me wrong though I like TNG. I think the problem is I'm even more familiar with these episodes than I am DS9. Also DS9 has more of a "real" feeling to it, I don't know how to describe it. Not even just the Dominion arc.
Although... that said, TNG has some really awesome episodes that are I guess philosophical in nature that I really enjoy.
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Whelp, I better work my way through BSG now.
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The next question is which Universe will they pursue: The alternate universe as directed by JJ Abrams, or the Original Universe?
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On the other hand it gave us this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89WcIwjlQxA
I suspect they'll follow the reboot. In either case, It will probably have a very different feel to the TNG-ENT era. TV has evolved in the six years since the lamest finale ever, so it would be interesting to see what lessons they use in any new series.
Lesson one: Opening shot will be Brannon Braga getting a hell of a beating.
An angle I would be interested in would be that Janeway was actually First Officer and had to take charge after the Captain was killed. Especially if you make it so Voyager was her first taste of Command after being a Science Officer, that would make an interesting arc where she had to cope with the power unexpectedly thrust on her.
*Picard and Spock looking at a starship out to a window on DS9*
"Nice new ship. They say they will call it the 'USS Voyager'. The very first starship called Voyager in Starfleet. I hear they're giving to captain Janeway... err I mean Wayjane. My bad. There has never, ever been a captain called Janeway in Starfleet, or another ship called Voyager before."
"By the way, have you tried the new holo-novel that's all the rage? About the fictional adventures of a fictional captain Archer on a fictional Enterprise that's the fictional first warp-5 ship of Earth. Troi and Riker say it's really cool."
*in the background, two random guys kiss sitting at a table, next to a door with a sign marked "washrooms"*
gettin from there to here...:whistle:
The space battles were cool but this remains, for me, the finest moment in Star Trek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw
Just because it's so contrary to what the Federation and Starfleet are supposed to stand for. If it's possible to make a Mary Sue out of an organisation than Roddenberry made one out of the UFP. To see an episode ( brilliant episode) throw all that out for just a few minutes was amazing.
Also I watched the 2009 film just yesterday, it was pretty and all the characters were great but the cavernous plot holes grated on my nerves, I hope they make a better job of the next one.
EDIT: An addendum, Garak is the best.
The easiest thing to do would be to play up the tension between Starfleet and the Maquis, have it take months or years for it to begin to break down. Get rid of Neelix entirely, or rewrite his character completely into the 'Han Solo' he was supposed to be. Have Tom Paris actually go through a trial by fire, everyone on the ship should hate his guts for a long time and have his redemption/fall be a recurring theme.
I'd also keep damage from episode to episode. Have Voyager be the most technologically advanced ship in the Quadrant, but it doesn't matter because it just makes them a massive target. Have some tough decisions, force them to give away Replicators/Weapons for basic supplies and alliances and have it come back to bite them sometimes.
I also think they should have used the Borg about twice total as actual opponents rather than threats in the back ground. I actually like the arc where Seven is introduced, and the dropped Borg Baby, so they can keep that arc. The last would be some kind of suicide, or major attack with the allies they've accrued in the Quadrant for the finale.
I actually really enjoy Voyager still, but thats mostly because I really like the Doctor and Seven and they got a ton of focus in the second half of the series.
And it was catastrophically ruined by the finale.
I continue to have a soft spot for the Doctor, Tuvok and Seven. However, Neelix...
Captain Archer was a bit of a jackass in his early days. I kinda drifted away from Enterprise by series 2, it just didn't draw me in. I did catch some episodes of series 4, and they were definately more interesting, except for the "official" finale. In spite of the improvement, I can appreciate why the network gave up on it. An argument can be made for too little too late.
I've still to watch "In a Mirror Darkly". I should do this.
Bakula ruined Enterprise for me, there was just something about his acting that I found really irritating.
And the whole "Time Warz lol" thing didn't help either.
Bakula always looked like he had no idea how he was supposed to be playing Archer. The few times he was in a situation out of the ordinary, like the Amnesia episode or the Mirror Universe stuff, I think he did a great job. But normal Archer never really had a consistent character, he wavered between 'too nice' and 'total asshole' at random and seemed almost deranged in most of his personal episodes. Especially the Dog in Sickbay one. Or the fucking evolution episode.
Time travel (and other dimensions) episodes were interesting in other treks because it helped advance characters or put them in new and interesting situations. No one cares about the fundamental outcomes of such technologies. It is enough to say, hey we can't replicate it, we do not understand enough.
I want to see a Klingon in a petticoat and an android shoot people in the wild west. If one can not write a coherent and engaging narrative without time travel, you don't get to use time travel just cause it is cool. Time travel is a privilege for competent writers not a crutch for hacks.
Also, when one makes alien civilizations which are to serve as allegories for human situations or conflicts, they should be sufficiently alien in psychology or society to warrant having aliens. Emphasis the difference, point out specific qualities, create situations which could not occur in reality to challenge norms or something. Otherwise just use humans. Many human looking aliens from both the original series and TNG were actually very different from humans in fundamental ways when you explored them. Similarities should exist for us to empathize with them at the same time we can see the differences.
Hey, remember the best cliffhanger ever?
The rest of TNG had some great episodes dealing with the darker side of the federation and starfleet. Drumhead is a good example. We see that racism(specism) still happens, and Worf gets sucked into a morally dubious area. Paranoia makes people crazy. In the pale moonlight, while a great episode isn't revolutionary in terms of Star Trek. The main difference in TNG and DS9 is that the federation was in a cold war with the romulans and an active war later with the dominion.
Also, in regards to time travel I think it can be done well. The final episode of TNG is one of the best(makes a better movie than any of the actual movies). I guess it wasn't so much themetically about time travel though. More about time perception, and thinking outside of a linear concept.
The Best of Both Worlds has awesome music.
And the guy responsible for it, Ron Jones, was fired.
That would be worthy of an "lolwut".
I'd say there was a huge difference.
Drumhead, it was shown to be a bad thing(tm.) The people who did BAD THINGS were not portrayed as nice. It was a very special episode for Worf.
Meanwhile, Moonlight?
It's Our Hero who condones murder, treachery, and lies. Moreover, he did it with the most reasonable of intentions, and it worked out. He even managed to live with himself after.
One is "We're better than that". The other?
"Guess what? Sometimes war means playing dirty."
Why I fear the ocean.
I think what I liked about Moonlight, apart from being much more grey than average Trek, was they didn't take the final step away from the Roddenberry ideal and say this was the right thing to do. Sisko admits that it's still an evil thing to do, and goes against what the Federation is supposed to be about. It will, however, help the Federation to survive, so although he has sinned he will learn to live with it.
I like TNG, DS9, and Voyager but DS9 is probably my favorite.
Avery Brooks is awesome. He doubled his awesome when he grew the goatee. Armin Shimerman is awesome too. He's played Quark on TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
Iggy Pop was an fantastic Vorta
The worst part of DS9 is Vic Fontaine.
Eh, he never bugged me that much. I liked his episode with Nog.
Manny Coto saved Enterprise in season 4 before Berman and Braga decided to take a shit on the whole thing with the TNG finale. That whole thing..just... gah! Chubby Frakes, aged Sirtis, and we're supposed to believe that this seamlessly fits into an episode from 10-15 years earlier? Trip's death was handled primarily by a person who wasn't alive at that point! Just... my head hurts from thinking about it.
At least Coto fixed the Vulcans and got rid of the stupid Temporal Cold War shit.
So good.
Apart from Morn, obviously. How could you top that?
The key to fixing Voyager is and always has been to actually take the premise seriously.
It's kinda like BSG in that way.
Basically, Voyager should have been the adventures of the USS Equinox. And then some other ship called "Voyager" shows up at some point and is all self-righteous assholes to them.