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The SC2 thread proudly presents!
1. The Weekly Forum Challenge
(Organizer: MNC Dover)
-What the hell is the Weekly Forum Challenge (WFC)?
The WFC is a new idea I came up with that will pit one forum member against everyone else in the forum. Basically, you apply to be in the WFC and when your name is called, you take on everyone else in the forum.
-Huh? Why would I want to do that?
Because it's fun, keeps the forum more interactive, and allows you to improve your game by playing a lot of different playstyles.
-OK, who do I play against?
Everyone. It doesn't matter if your Bronze or Master, these games are no ranks barred. Yeah, if you're a Bronze level player you'll probably get splattered, but you will be learning something and have a set of replays from which to study. You could use this opportunity to practice a single build and see how it fares against several other types of builds. Either way, it will be a good learning experience and fun!
-Sounds interesting....what are the rules?
If your name is called, you will take all invites from Sunday to Saturday that week. Opponents can challenge you via forum posts, PM's, or on B.Net. You must try your best to take on every challenge, so be prepared to spend a few hours on b.net during your week.
-I'm only a Bronze leaguer. I'll get squashed so I don't want to enter.
Hold on there a minute, I'm not done yet. Any WFC entrant can request a live-coach regardless of their rank. Yes, any rank. The coach may only give advice during play in ally chat to you and you cannot ask questions. The coach also cannot tell you what the enemy is doing or steer your build to screw over the enemy. Only tips like, watching your supply counts, build more structures, drone up, scout, expo, spend money, etc. The coach can be anyone the WFC wants and can change from game to game. You can talk with your coach before and after games to discuss strats, build orders, and the like.
-Awesome! I think I want to participate. How do I enter?
PM a message to me with "WFC" as the title and the following information:
-Forum name
-B.Net ID with 3 digit code
-Race played (please only use one to reduce headaches)
-Rank
-Do you want a coach?
-Timezone (easy conversions for us lazy Americans please)
-At least three different weeks you want to apply for with your most favorable choice first (example: 03/20-03/26, 03/27- 04/05, and 04/13-04/19)
-Your choice of how you want to play matches, either bo1 or bo3
-Great, I sent out the information and got accepted. Now what?
Now you have to openly accept challenges from the forum. Post the time or times you will make yourself available for matches. Other people can set-up appointments for matches or play however you choose. If you only want to accept appointments great, if not, you can do a first come, first pwned set-up.
-What maps do we play on?
For bo1's, the WFC player gets to choose the map. Sorry folks, that's the advantage of manning up and taking on all comers. For bo3's, the first game is on Shakura's Plateau with the loser choosing the next map from the official Blizzard Ladder pool. Yes this means the maps may change over time. We'll manage.
-What happens when my week is over?
You gather up all your replays, name them "WFC vs (insert enemy name), add them to gamereplays.org (info found in the OP), and then post EVERY SINGLE GAME into a single spoilered post. The thread creator will add your games into the OP and they'll stay there until the next person's turn is over.
-When does all this begin?
How does this Sunday sound? I'm taking applications now!
-I had an emergency mid-week! What do I do?
No biggie, we all understand that real life stuff happens. Let everyone know and I'll do my best to find someone to fill in the spot. No problem at all.
-Anything else?
Glad you asked. I really think this can be fun, especially if we have some of our more charismatic people bring some light-hearted, jaw-jacking to the table. I'd also really like it if some of the lower ranked players step up and give this a go. In reality, it's no different then playing against PA people anyway, but now it will have more of a focus. You can have a target on your back which might change the way you play by adding or removing pressure.
ABOVE ALL, I just want everyone to have fun and play more SC2.
So, who's in?
The WFC is a new idea I came up with that will pit one forum member against everyone else in the forum. Basically, you apply to be in the WFC and when your name is called, you take on everyone else in the forum.
-Huh? Why would I want to do that?
Because it's fun, keeps the forum more interactive, and allows you to improve your game by playing a lot of different playstyles.
-OK, who do I play against?
Everyone. It doesn't matter if your Bronze or Master, these games are no ranks barred. Yeah, if you're a Bronze level player you'll probably get splattered, but you will be learning something and have a set of replays from which to study. You could use this opportunity to practice a single build and see how it fares against several other types of builds. Either way, it will be a good learning experience and fun!
-Sounds interesting....what are the rules?
If your name is called, you will take all invites from Sunday to Saturday that week. Opponents can challenge you via forum posts, PM's, or on B.Net. You must try your best to take on every challenge, so be prepared to spend a few hours on b.net during your week.
-I'm only a Bronze leaguer. I'll get squashed so I don't want to enter.
Hold on there a minute, I'm not done yet. Any WFC entrant can request a live-coach regardless of their rank. Yes, any rank. The coach may only give advice during play in ally chat to you and you cannot ask questions. The coach also cannot tell you what the enemy is doing or steer your build to screw over the enemy. Only tips like, watching your supply counts, build more structures, drone up, scout, expo, spend money, etc. The coach can be anyone the WFC wants and can change from game to game. You can talk with your coach before and after games to discuss strats, build orders, and the like.
-Awesome! I think I want to participate. How do I enter?
PM a message to me with "WFC" as the title and the following information:
-Forum name
-B.Net ID with 3 digit code
-Race played (please only use one to reduce headaches)
-Rank
-Do you want a coach?
-Timezone (easy conversions for us lazy Americans please)
-At least three different weeks you want to apply for with your most favorable choice first (example: 03/20-03/26, 03/27- 04/05, and 04/13-04/19)
-Your choice of how you want to play matches, either bo1 or bo3
-Great, I sent out the information and got accepted. Now what?
Now you have to openly accept challenges from the forum. Post the time or times you will make yourself available for matches. Other people can set-up appointments for matches or play however you choose. If you only want to accept appointments great, if not, you can do a first come, first pwned set-up.
-What maps do we play on?
For bo1's, the WFC player gets to choose the map. Sorry folks, that's the advantage of manning up and taking on all comers. For bo3's, the first game is on Shakura's Plateau with the loser choosing the next map from the official Blizzard Ladder pool. Yes this means the maps may change over time. We'll manage.
-What happens when my week is over?
You gather up all your replays, name them "WFC vs (insert enemy name), add them to gamereplays.org (info found in the OP), and then post EVERY SINGLE GAME into a single spoilered post. The thread creator will add your games into the OP and they'll stay there until the next person's turn is over.
-When does all this begin?
How does this Sunday sound? I'm taking applications now!
-I had an emergency mid-week! What do I do?
No biggie, we all understand that real life stuff happens. Let everyone know and I'll do my best to find someone to fill in the spot. No problem at all.
-Anything else?
Glad you asked. I really think this can be fun, especially if we have some of our more charismatic people bring some light-hearted, jaw-jacking to the table. I'd also really like it if some of the lower ranked players step up and give this a go. In reality, it's no different then playing against PA people anyway, but now it will have more of a focus. You can have a target on your back which might change the way you play by adding or removing pressure.
ABOVE ALL, I just want everyone to have fun and play more SC2.
So, who's in?
Our eleventh WFC player will be ChaosHat! Here's his info:
Forum name: ChaosHat
B.Net ID with 3 digit code: ChaosHat.444
Race played: Protoss
Rank: Gold
Do you want a coach?: Nope!
Timezone: EST
bo3 format
Challenge our player by sending him a PM, post, or b.net message to set up times!
Here are the replays of the WFC prior:
2. PA showmatch series #2 & #3
(Organizer: Enigma435)
Admiral Adama wrote:When you step on this deck, you be ready to fight, or you dishonor the reason why we're here. Now remember this: When you fight a man, he's not your friend.
Watch PAers engage in friendly (most of the time) combat for your entertainment!
3. Replay(s) of the day! (6/5)
(Organizer: whoever created this thread)
A random replay of the play donated by our forum-goers. Make sure to upload your replay submissions to submit your replay using gamereplays.org. And be a pal and mark your replay as ROTD material in your post so they're easier to find.
Start here to better craft some stars.
The SC2 thread goes a million miles per hour and will leave you in the dust if you aren't prepared. All things are open to discussion here from build orders, practice partners, race match-ups, tournament talk, and general bizarre Korean stuff (usually brought to you by the letter S and the number 86). In order to keep up, I highly recommend you check out the following resources:
- General
- Team Liquid. Team Liquid is the biggest Starcraft related fan site out on the Internet today. They follow everything Starcraft related including the pro scene. Many great articles, forums, and information can be found here. A must bookmark for any Starcraft fan.
- Wellplayed.org. Starcraft 2 aggregation site from the SCReddit group.
- Talk shows
- State of the Game podcast. The pillars of the starcraft 2 community --- JP, EGIncontrol, Liquid`Tyler, and Day[9] --- talk (mostly) about current events in the starcraft community every Tuesday.
- Educational
- Help guides for new players painstakingly created by fellow forum goers. Please read these first before asking questions.
- The Day[9] Daily Live Stream. Sean "Day9" Plott is an 11 year Starcraft veteran, so he knows his shit. He does a live stream Sunday through Thursday that airs 7pm PST/10pm EST. If you miss a stream, you can watch it, and every other streams he's ever done, in his archives. BOOKMARK HIS SITES! You will not be disappointed.
- Starcraft II Liquipedia. Team Liquid has created a wikipedia site for everything SC2 related. This will be updated as time goes on and all information found here should be legit as possible.
- Learn from the Pros with Mr. B Mr. Bitter aka Flabulous gets lessons from pros about how to play Starcraft and streams the whole thing for our learnings. He started with 12 weeks of zerg goodness and is now moving onto terran and protoss.
- Common timings and when they hit. Exactly what it sounds like.
- CecilSunkure's guide to improving efficiently at 1v1. A very good read if you find yourself in a rut with your improvement in 1v1 or if you don't know where to begin improving your game.
OK that's all cool, but I want to play with some PA people.
1) Log into Battle.net and join channel PA (on the NA realm). We all hang out there. Chat, 1v1 lobbies, and team shenanigans are always going on!
2) Sign up for a replay site such as gamereplays.org or drop.sc. This is a site where you can upload your replays. The perfect way to share your replays with the thread and get advice on how to get better. Gamereplays lets you post the cool banner that you frequently see on the internets and drop.sc lets you upload replays without having to create a new account.
3) Register with the PA SC2 1v1 Ranking site. Sign up for this awesome site to see where you stand amongst fellow PA members. Remember, this is important in the nurturing and expanding of your e-peen. Add yourself by clicking on [Manage Characters] on the top right side.
4) Sign up for the PA mumble page. Sign up if you want to chat with fellow PA users during games or watching tournaments. Thanks to Exoplasm for hosting the service and providing the step-by-step process for installing mumble.
2) Sign up for a replay site such as gamereplays.org or drop.sc. This is a site where you can upload your replays. The perfect way to share your replays with the thread and get advice on how to get better. Gamereplays lets you post the cool banner that you frequently see on the internets and drop.sc lets you upload replays without having to create a new account.
3) Register with the PA SC2 1v1 Ranking site. Sign up for this awesome site to see where you stand amongst fellow PA members. Remember, this is important in the nurturing and expanding of your e-peen. Add yourself by clicking on [Manage Characters] on the top right side.
4) Sign up for the PA mumble page. Sign up if you want to chat with fellow PA users during games or watching tournaments. Thanks to Exoplasm for hosting the service and providing the step-by-step process for installing mumble.
JK. I like watching Starcraft instead. Where can I watch some good games?
Major tournaments. Starcraft is e-sports. Follow these major tournaments and you will not be disappoint.
And those are only the major ones! Follow the Team Liquid Tournament Tracker for more competitive goodness.
Streams. Perhaps you prefer something more intimate. Maybe watching starcraft 2 like it's Being John Malkovich? Thanks to the power of the Internet, there are infinity streams available for your voyeuristic pleasure. Here are our favorites.
Want more streams? Check out Teamliquid's live video stream page for more goodness.
- The GSL. The premiere korean starcraft 2 league. Where the best go to play. Casted by Tastetosis, the casting archon.
- The TSL. Team Liquid's major tournament where foreigners stomp koreans and everyone attributes it to lag.
- Major League Gaming. North American e-sports powerhouse now features Starcraft 2 (as long as their stream is online). "tahts halo dont worry".
- North American Star League. The upstart league headed by fan-favorites Incontrol and Gretorp. $400k up for grabs in the first season alone.
- IGN Pro League. Everyone's getting into e-sports, even IGN! 16 of the top players from North America duking it out for fabulous prizes.
And those are only the major ones! Follow the Team Liquid Tournament Tracker for more competitive goodness.
Streams. Perhaps you prefer something more intimate. Maybe watching starcraft 2 like it's Being John Malkovich? Thanks to the power of the Internet, there are infinity streams available for your voyeuristic pleasure. Here are our favorites.
- General commentary
- Seguer. Aussie protoss currently casting the Taiwan Clan League.
- The Day[9] Daily Live Stream.
- HD Starcraft.
- HuskyStarcraft.
- TotalBiscuit.
- Terran
- Protoss
- Zerg
Want more streams? Check out Teamliquid's live video stream page for more goodness.
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Toss OP, Terran Overplayed, Zerg underplayed greatness. gg
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wra
for anyone watching the tlattack with sheth today
you saw how much stuff was going on and the players were only at like 100 food and having large army/positioning jostling
firstly, and i think we all know the sort of answer to this, why doesn't this happen in sc2 (probably not refined enough, yeah?)
but secondly, why is it so easy to max out in sc2? in the match with morrow, both players were relatively safe and macroing hard and were still at about 80 food when i think someone in similar positions could be pushing like 120 or 140 even (hard macro zerg)
why is the food counter so much more explosive in sc2?
... I think I'm done with there being all this parody stuff. parodying a lonely island song? they're the kings of funny music. don't sit right.
everything about the game is faster, I think it's that simple
chrono / mule / inject
this is just a guess, but it seems you can get to full saturation a LOT faster than in sc1
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chrono / mule / inject
this is just a guess, but it seems you can get to full saturation a LOT faster than in sc1
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Just got tooled by a plat (PLAT!) terran who playing nothing but a defensive game. I've played these kinds of matches before and have never, ever, been successful at beating them.
He placed tanks behind a line of supply depots and turrets in order to protect his natural. He put turrets all over his main and turtled like crazy. He eventually ended up going heavy thor/banshee/raven with enough ravens to snipe expansions in like 5 seconds.
I think (THINK) I should have built a warp prism and harassed him, but he probably would have survived and just built more turrets in response. I tried taking him out initially with a chargelot/archon/DT mix with a few VRs sprinkled in, but his defense held spectacularly, mainly because of mother fucking banshees. I later tried to go pure phoenix/VR, but was easily defeated. He built turrets close to my base while his army stood by in order to have those as well when we finally engaged.
It's such a frustrating match to think about because I have no real clue what the answer would have been. Terran defense is so unbelievably strong.
Does not compute
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Colossi are your siege units. They will force him to attack or die slowly.
whenever the sheth one gets uploaded there are like 2 or 3 in there near the end as well
as far as more maybe youtube search sc2bw, i'm too lazy to look
(i implore you to try and stomach the graphics and maybe watch some gomtv aveatec games that were commentated by tasteless or maybe some tsl2 vods! they own!)
edit: ked, if that is in regards to sc2bw, basically all ai looked like bw (save for the muta micro? sheth was complaining about that a bit)
but i do think sc2's better ai has a lot of far reaching implications into how it plays
The guys who did the Zergling and Marine vids should totally do some for Blink Stalkers.
They would be terrifying. Infinitely kiting shit alldayerrday
It just looks like everything maneuvers too smoothly and easily compared to old BW videos.
And seems like clunky unit movement had a lot to do with strategies that were or were not effective in BW.
Is 2rax fe still a solid all-around opener, or has the metagame shifted so much in the 10+ weeks that it'll be like I have amnesia or something
I really don't think that would have worked. Siege tanks out range colossi and banshees rip them to pieces.
the movement is incredibly similar to normal bw and i don't think any strats were really shown to be nullified, everything looked like typical bw fare
sheth's commenting on the muta micro just sounded like him being out of practice of it (which is understandable)
i dunno, the dragoons moving in tlo's tlattack as well as how marines move
seems legit to me, i haven't watched too much bw recently, but it all seems good
2fax FE is still totally standard and safe for a TvP build.
Same build but gasless + a bunker rush for TvZ, moving into siege tanks.
I dunno for TvT, should be okay.
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First of all, don't attack up a ramp if you know they have a wall plus Siege Tanks. That's just dumb, no matter how big a food lead you have. Second, don't push into a siege line with Bunkers, Turrets, and 16 Banshees. Your opponent just played patiently, expanded all over the map after you suicided your army twice, and could have won with anything from that point. You got impatient and killed yourself.
The answer is to let him turtle on 3 bases while you build an unbeatable composition and play defensively. He has to push out eventually or he'll starve, and that's when you hit him. If you have absolute map control (which you did before suiciding twice), take extra bases for gas and go for a composition like Templar/Carrier with upgrades. Vikings are actually not very good against Carriers once you get a critical mass, and Templar counter literally every unit in his comp (lol Feedback/Storm). Void Rays are awful against Vikings, Marines, and only decent against Thors if they get any number of them. Phoenix are denied by Thors, though they'd be useful defensively to prevent expansion or tech sniping by a Banshee flock. Observer speed and extra Observers would also be handy for preventing that sort of harass. You were on DQ, so storm harass at his nat or his 4th/5th would have been very effective.
Zealots are good if he's going pure Mech, but not so much against a Thor/Banshee comp. Same with DTs if he's turretting and PFing as heavily as he was. Archons can be good if they live long enough to splash the Banshees, but that's probably not going to happen if they're at the front of your army. Banshees are pretty damn good.
Templar/Carrier can work given the amount of time and map control you had. If you get it going, there's really not much he can do about it. Kill his army once and the game is over.
with specifics if you don't mind (i.e. what build/which matchups or which method of learning)
yay for comeback, I'll be watching tomorrow hopefully, stepped out for a few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBs2bl_mMRg&feature=feedu
The same way you learn one race when you first start this game. Pick a single build, if you can find one that works for all 3 matchups great, otherwise one thats relatively okay for all matchups is fine. Speedling expand is what I chose.
It's super effective.
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you make it sound so obvious
You can open 14/14 in every matchup as Z. Your expo timing will be different in ZvZ as it's a more volatile matchup. It has a sort of PvP feel where you have to match aggression with your opponent and expand very carefully. Aside from certain situations where you can hatch first in certain positions, but that's kind of an advanced topic. ZvZ will come the slowest for you most likely. It's a matchup where you just have to get a feel for when you need to punish econ and or be afraid for your life and stop droning (the line between these two is much narrower in zvz than the other matchups). To open in ZvP and ZvT do the following:
14gas/drone/14pool.
3 drones on gas when it finishes (you can remove them after 100 gas if you only want to get speed, leave them on if you prefer going into banes/roaches/lair after speed.)
overlord on 15 or 16
speed research when pool finishes
queen + some number of lings (your play style will dictate this, I usually only make 2 to start to take down any probe/pylong blocks)
Take your expo sometime around 20-22ish supply. This timing is flexible depending on what is blocking. Once this is up you're pretty much into read and react mode.
heh, just read a post on tl about tvp and was going 'hey this guy is right' and I see it's dhal