hearing things like how none of the buildings had bomb protection on them makes me so angry. Norway was probably one of the few countries left that wasnt a paranoid mess of counterterrorist legislation. Now what will happen? goddamnit
theres been no reports in norway about mutiple explosions, the first reports about a second explosion was wrong. the express trains to gardemoen airport has been stopped and evacuated due to crew finding something suspicious along the railway.
theres been no reports in norway about mutiple explosions, the first reports about a second explosion was wrong. the express trains to gardemoen airport has been stopped and evacuated due to crew finding something suspicious along the railway.
Yeah, both the NYTimes and the Guardian have redacted their statements about two explosions. Turns out it was based on a video that people are claiming is fake.
Wow. Is it wrong that one of my thoughts today was "I hope the truthers are paying attention to the chaos and wrong information that comes out from things like this in the early hours"?
Cuz seriously, these events do not lend themselves to accurate news reports in the first few hours.
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
Sorry, one of the things that I hear often about 9/11 being an inside job is that "there were eyewitnesses who heard explosions!" and "there was an eyewitness interviewed right afterwards who didn't see a plane!"
My point being that it seems there really is no reliable information until the smoke settles.
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
Man, This is hitting me hard. I don't really have words for it. I am Norwegian and I never expected something like this.
Weirdly its the Utøya attack that is affecting me most. The bomb was like "okay, no security is 100%", but with the Utøya attack comming right after... It was so brutal and so senseless. Who the fuck wakes up in the morning and decides "I will shoot teenagers and college students for the glorious cause"? Him maybe being Norwegian(or nordic looking) makes it even more.....
Fuck. At least my sister in Oslo is safe.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
BBC has a reporter who has contact (through his neice) with a girl who was on the island. She shut herself in the bathroom and listened to the shooting going on outside.
Also there seems to be reports from survivors that there were multiple shooters, according to NRK.no. Again, that's the only place I've seen that tidbit, so grain of salt applies.
...is it just me, or does this not sound like al-queda?
Attacking government buildings... on a holiday? Attacking a political gathering? Doing so personally, and then allowing oneself to be captured? Do we know anything about this gunman, is he brown or muslim?
I'm glad they managed to take the guy alive, if it really is just one guy responsible for it all. Hope we might get some answers in the next days/weeks.
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...is it just me, or does this not sound like al-queda?
Attacking government buildings... on a holiday? Attacking a political gathering? Doing so personally, and then allowing oneself to be captured? Do we know anything about this gunman, is he brown or muslim?
We know he is Nordic looking. White, blonde, and tall.
...is it just me, or does this not sound like al-queda?
Attacking government buildings... on a holiday? Attacking a political gathering? Doing so personally, and then allowing oneself to be captured? Do we know anything about this gunman, is he brown or muslim?
We know he is Nordic looking. White, blonde, and tall.
Has that been confirmed?
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
What threw me off was that immediately all the terrorist organizations came out and were like "ha, you deserved it, there's more to come so stay tuned!"
It is sounding more like it's a lone McVeigh kind of guy with strange political motivations instead of a whole organization. I mean, I would like to believe that AQ and the like wouldn't target children first.
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...is it just me, or does this not sound like al-queda?
Attacking government buildings... on a holiday? Attacking a political gathering? Doing so personally, and then allowing oneself to be captured? Do we know anything about this gunman, is he brown or muslim?
We know he is Nordic looking. White, blonde, and tall.
Has that been confirmed?
Let's wait 'til NewsCorp gets into some people's phones, we'll know for sure.
Hi. I'm usually just a lurker on this forum, but since I live in the center of Oslo I thought I'd chime in.
An eyewitness has just stated that he saw a tall, blond cop enter the building, then leave it and drive off in an old van. Two minutes later the bomb went off.
So it might actually be just one guy who set off the bomb, then drove over to Utoya.
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
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The Guardian is saying that it's just a blue jumper.
...the gunman was NOT wearing a police uniform, rather a blue jumper which had a Norwegian police badge or sign on it. He also confirmed that the suspect had never worked for the police.
This is not a good day. I know several people from Norway and have been there many times - it's very nice people.
I hope this a lone crazy person and not the start of some terror wave.
I also hope this will not mean Norway is gonna start acting differently in the world. They are doing things right.
Norway holds a huge pension fund made from their oil profit and they are using it very responsibly with strong requirements about ethics to where the money is invested (The fund is something like $525 billion and holds aprox. 1% of the worlds equity).
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NRK writes that the man impersonating the police officer called people over and "executed" them. A bomb is one thing, but stuff like this...
The Lede is what you want to look for on the New York Times for updates.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/video-of-oslo-explosion-aftermath/
The current main page picture on that site shows several blurred out things on a rocky shoreline that I can only imagine are bodies....
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam
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Yeah, both the NYTimes and the Guardian have redacted their statements about two explosions. Turns out it was based on a video that people are claiming is fake.
Cuz seriously, these events do not lend themselves to accurate news reports in the first few hours.
I'm confused. What are you trying to relate this to?
Sorry, one of the things that I hear often about 9/11 being an inside job is that "there were eyewitnesses who heard explosions!" and "there was an eyewitness interviewed right afterwards who didn't see a plane!"
My point being that it seems there really is no reliable information until the smoke settles.
Even if we stamp out the current breeding ground for things like this, it'll just get replaced by different ideologies and beliefs.
Weirdly its the Utøya attack that is affecting me most. The bomb was like "okay, no security is 100%", but with the Utøya attack comming right after... It was so brutal and so senseless. Who the fuck wakes up in the morning and decides "I will shoot teenagers and college students for the glorious cause"? Him maybe being Norwegian(or nordic looking) makes it even more.....
Fuck. At least my sister in Oslo is safe.
http://www.oslo-universitetssykehus.no/aktuelt/nyheter/Sider/trenger-blodgivere-blodtype-0-.aspx
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam
no words.
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam
Attacking government buildings... on a holiday? Attacking a political gathering? Doing so personally, and then allowing oneself to be captured? Do we know anything about this gunman, is he brown or muslim?
It is sounding more like it's a lone McVeigh kind of guy with strange political motivations instead of a whole organization. I mean, I would like to believe that AQ and the like wouldn't target children first.
Yep. Multiple sources, multiple news stations.
Let's wait 'til NewsCorp gets into some people's phones, we'll know for sure.
Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam
Also the foreign minister, I believe.
An eyewitness has just stated that he saw a tall, blond cop enter the building, then leave it and drive off in an old van. Two minutes later the bomb went off.
So it might actually be just one guy who set off the bomb, then drove over to Utoya.
I hope this a lone crazy person and not the start of some terror wave.
I also hope this will not mean Norway is gonna start acting differently in the world. They are doing things right.
Norway holds a huge pension fund made from their oil profit and they are using it very responsibly with strong requirements about ethics to where the money is invested (The fund is something like $525 billion and holds aprox. 1% of the worlds equity).
Just heard from a friend in Oslo that he is fine as well, which is a relief.