I really hate when people scream as if a bad ending invalidated how much they enjoyed the rest of the damned thing
the shit you liked didn't suddenly become bad because this new shit happened! that old shit still exists!
it's like the people that whine about the home run chase in 1998 being ruined by people finding out years later that those dudes were all roided up
well, fuck that, that was fucking awesome and come on, you could clearly tell they were on steroids what the hell is wrong with you idiots
While I agree that a bad ending doesn't necessarily negate the enjoyment a person experienced while reading/watching/playing up to that point, in my opinion a terrible ending can spoil the memory of a thing, and taint any attempts to re-watch/read/play that thing
For movies that I absolutely hate the ending of, I usually just stop it after I finish watching the part I like, but in the back of my mind I still remember that a pile of shit awaited me just six minutes past where I paused
there's gotta be at least several undiscovered talents stuck in there that might've been missed out on just because of the taste of the students
this is an absolutely baseless assumption on my part, but I do get the feeling that the students in this role would have at least been asked a few questions regarding their tastes to determine if they're the right fit for that particular job at that particular publisher, so I doubt it's just the individual taste of one person that can doom someone to failure
not saying you're wrong, just saying that 'the taste of the students' wouldn't be the only factor
I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
I mean the rest of the book mostly sucked as well, but there were bits that had glimmers of promise, and those glimmers convinced me to read onwards. BOY that was a mistake!
Can't believe I finished that piece of shit
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there's gotta be at least several undiscovered talents stuck in there that might've been missed out on just because of the taste of the students
Well, maybe.
Probably.
Almost definitely, come to think. I mean, most writers who talk about that kind of thing mention just slamming into the wall until it breaks, but there's got to be people out there who just go "Forget it. Not worth it." and go into accounting or whatever when they could write pretty well.
How many authors were only discovered posthumously when their friends were dicks and didn't burn their stuff when they were asked, again?
And if you're going to write, best to read On Writing, probably. It's Stephen King's best book. It has a lengthy section mentioning the beginnings of his career and huge stacks of rejections.
I mean the rest of the book mostly sucked as well, but there were bits that had glimmers of promise, and those glimmers convinced me to read onwards. BOY that was a mistake!
Can't believe I finished that piece of shit
yes
oh my god yes
jesus fucking christ, that goddamn book was just atrocious and I hate it for existing
you know you fucked up when the mass-market musical is a striking improvement!
e: Shorty: hi5 for that joke and also the advice and it's kind of moot since I'm moving more into scripts which is where resolution is more or less vital to the form
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there's gotta be at least several undiscovered talents stuck in there that might've been missed out on just because of the taste of the students
I guess statistically it could have happened
it's just that a truly talented writer rarely submits just once
even if a good story is rejected there's a chance it's just not appropriate for the market
if you are genuinely a good writer, and you're writing good stuff, and you submit it to enough publications, you will eventually be published
I mean that's almost a guarantee
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i just feel like my worst judge and i'm worried i'm going to spend tons of time working on something i think is genuinely good only to turn out NOPE YOU SUCK SO BAD HAHAHAH POINT AND LAUGH AT THE ASPIRING ARTIST
the synopsis of the wicked musical told me everything I needed to know about wicked, namely that I would probably hate it despite my high tolerance for musicals and wizard of oz
I think I really just hate "haha, no, this is how it really happened!" stories like that
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I mean the rest of the book mostly sucked as well, but there were bits that had glimmers of promise, and those glimmers convinced me to read onwards. BOY that was a mistake!
i just feel like my worst judge and i'm worried i'm going to spend tons of time working on something i think is genuinely good only to turn out NOPE YOU SUCK SO BAD HAHAHAH POINT AND LAUGH AT THE ASPIRING ARTIST
and that is why we redraft, and work on other things, and improve
I literally cannot read things I wrote a few years ago, things I loved and thought were surely my ticket to stardom, because of how much I have improved now
I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
Oh, and that slush pile thing sounds like an abomination. But it's not an insurmountable one- just gotta keep cracking on it. It's a good idea to find a trusted editor. You know, someone who doesn't shit all over your work without meaningful commentary on its pros and cons.
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Wicked is one of the few books I didn't finish reading.
And Dark Tower: when
Blane the Train
died, I put it down. There were no longer any characters I gave two tugs for. But I know many people who love The Dark Tower series. So I'm willing to be wrong.
i just feel like my worst judge and i'm worried i'm going to spend tons of time working on something i think is genuinely good only to turn out NOPE YOU SUCK SO BAD HAHAHAH POINT AND LAUGH AT THE ASPIRING ARTIST
if anyone does something like this they've proven how terrible of a person/professional they are and you should find someone better to talk to
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I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
The thing of it is, as long as you make it clear that your focus is on the characters, then you should probably be fine. And if people bitch, well, they're fucking idiots. God, I hate to keep harping on the Lost thing, but I think it was fairly clear from a pretty early standpoint that the show was more about characters than it was about mysterious bullshit.
@#pipe I've never actually seen the musical, but as I understand it, it differs significantly from the plot of the book! Namely in that the muscial focuses almost entirely on the middle portion of the book. As I recall the book has 3 main portions (covering the witch's early childhood and late adulthood as well as the 'school' portion), and the second one was the only one that had any hope of being decent at all, so I guess they made the right choice in adapting it?
it's hard for me to imagine anything being dumber than the end of wicked the musical
The entire Spiderman musical?
well first of all, use the hyphen, dummy and second of all the spider-man musical made it even more okay to make fun of bono and the edge so it is a success in my book
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I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
Oh, and that slush pile thing sounds like an abomination. But it's not an insurmountable one- just gotta keep cracking on it. It's a good idea to find a trusted editor. You know, someone who doesn't shit all over your work without meaningful commentary on its pros and cons.
I could be wrong here since I'm not that experienced in the field but I don't think this is something you're going to find until after you've been published. Editors typically do not respond to unsolicited submissions with anything other than a form letter. The most I've ever gotten is a hastily scribbled compliment at the bottom of said form letter (which was actually pretty encouraging- funny how your perspective changes when you're trying to get published).
I taught a writers workshop once for a high school. I spent 20 minutes telling them if they really want to be writers they better like writing and they better write. Gave them a few suggestions on how to get started and I spent the next two hours sitting at a desk quietly.
You'll either keep writing and you'll grow or you won't be a writer.
I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
The thing of it is, as long as you make it clear that your focus is on the characters, then you should probably be fine. And if people bitch, well, they're fucking idiots. God, I hate to keep harping on the Lost thing, but I think it was fairly clear from a pretty early standpoint that the show was more about characters than it was about mysterious bullshit.
The fantasy story I'm hammering out is focused on the characters. I'm not sure how wise that is with a world-altering plot underlining everything, but I'm hoping it makes the resolution that much more meaningful. Getting tired of seeing the heroes save the world and my final reaction being: "Yep. They sure did."
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e: Shorty: hi5 for that joke and also the advice and it's kind of moot since I'm moving more into scripts which is where resolution is more or less vital to the form
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i just feel like my worst judge and i'm worried i'm going to spend tons of time working on something i think is genuinely good only to turn out NOPE YOU SUCK SO BAD HAHAHAH POINT AND LAUGH AT THE ASPIRING ARTIST
Again, read On Writing. Heck, Greg Rucka had a blog post today on that exact subject, that also might be worth looking up.
And keep writing. Your writing almost definitely sucks right now.
Not a specific judgement. Just playing the odds.
But it probably sucks in a distinct way. And if you keep practicing, the distinction comes through more, and the suck less.
Some day, assuming you have any talent and really try to get better, you'll probably be good. And, good work tends to find an audience, if you keep at it.
Probably, I mean. What all the successful writers seem to say.
it's hard for me to imagine anything being dumber than the end of wicked the musical
The entire Spiderman musical?
well first of all, use the hyphen, dummy and second of all the spider-man musical made it even more okay to make fun of bono and the edge so it is a success in my book
A success because of how many dumb decisions were involved? Middle ground, yeah?
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Cause man, I loved Wicked the musical
I know that it was expertly crafted to be as consumable as possible and I don't give a shit. I didn't even mind the ending.
off the top of my head the only ending I can remember really pissing me off is the Little Shop of Horrors movie
Seymour murders a bunch of people but gets a fairytale ending because he realized at the last possible second that hey maybe that's not an okay thing to do? Fuck you.
And also the original correct ending is great and it is sad that it didn't get to stay in the movie
I'm more of a fan of character work than plot stuff, I think. Which I would assume is a big reason why certain things work for me even if they leave dangling questions or whatever out there.
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
Oh, and that slush pile thing sounds like an abomination. But it's not an insurmountable one- just gotta keep cracking on it. It's a good idea to find a trusted editor. You know, someone who doesn't shit all over your work without meaningful commentary on its pros and cons.
I could be wrong here since I'm not that experienced in the field but I don't think this is something you're going to find until after you've been published. Editors typically do not respond to unsolicited submissions with anything other than a form letter. The most I've ever gotten is a hastily scribbled compliment at the bottom of said form letter (which was actually pretty encouraging- funny how your perspective changes when you're trying to get published).
I was talking about someone you show your first draft in exchange for a complete analysis of your work. Friends, a published author you know- someone that's going to help you make your story.
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While I agree that a bad ending doesn't necessarily negate the enjoyment a person experienced while reading/watching/playing up to that point, in my opinion a terrible ending can spoil the memory of a thing, and taint any attempts to re-watch/read/play that thing
For movies that I absolutely hate the ending of, I usually just stop it after I finish watching the part I like, but in the back of my mind I still remember that a pile of shit awaited me just six minutes past where I paused
this is an absolutely baseless assumption on my part, but I do get the feeling that the students in this role would have at least been asked a few questions regarding their tastes to determine if they're the right fit for that particular job at that particular publisher, so I doubt it's just the individual taste of one person that can doom someone to failure
not saying you're wrong, just saying that 'the taste of the students' wouldn't be the only factor
i mean, i don't think i'm a GREAT writer
i'm okay
better than some worse than quite a few
but i want to get SOMETHING published
you want to get something published, writing it really helps
I mean the rest of the book mostly sucked as well, but there were bits that had glimmers of promise, and those glimmers convinced me to read onwards. BOY that was a mistake!
Can't believe I finished that piece of shit
Well, maybe.
Probably.
Almost definitely, come to think. I mean, most writers who talk about that kind of thing mention just slamming into the wall until it breaks, but there's got to be people out there who just go "Forget it. Not worth it." and go into accounting or whatever when they could write pretty well.
How many authors were only discovered posthumously when their friends were dicks and didn't burn their stuff when they were asked, again?
And if you're going to write, best to read On Writing, probably. It's Stephen King's best book. It has a lengthy section mentioning the beginnings of his career and huge stacks of rejections.
Why I fear the ocean.
yes
oh my god yes
jesus fucking christ, that goddamn book was just atrocious and I hate it for existing
you know you fucked up when the mass-market musical is a striking improvement!
e: Shorty: hi5 for that joke and also the advice and it's kind of moot since I'm moving more into scripts which is where resolution is more or less vital to the form
I guess statistically it could have happened
it's just that a truly talented writer rarely submits just once
even if a good story is rejected there's a chance it's just not appropriate for the market
if you are genuinely a good writer, and you're writing good stuff, and you submit it to enough publications, you will eventually be published
I mean that's almost a guarantee
I think I really just hate "haha, no, this is how it really happened!" stories like that
Is the book different to the musical?
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
and that is why we redraft, and work on other things, and improve
I literally cannot read things I wrote a few years ago, things I loved and thought were surely my ticket to stardom, because of how much I have improved now
just write, and write more!
Pipe: extremely
the sequel to Wicked the book is about her illegitimate son
it's called Son of a Witch
I am not kidding
wanted?
wanted was less dumb than it was insulting and boring and insultingly boring
Absolutely my line of thinking. I know it's not going to make me any friends once I get stories pumped out, but it's what I like.
Oh, and that slush pile thing sounds like an abomination. But it's not an insurmountable one- just gotta keep cracking on it. It's a good idea to find a trusted editor. You know, someone who doesn't shit all over your work without meaningful commentary on its pros and cons.
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And Dark Tower: when
The entire Spiderman musical?
if anyone does something like this they've proven how terrible of a person/professional they are and you should find someone better to talk to
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The thing of it is, as long as you make it clear that your focus is on the characters, then you should probably be fine. And if people bitch, well, they're fucking idiots. God, I hate to keep harping on the Lost thing, but I think it was fairly clear from a pretty early standpoint that the show was more about characters than it was about mysterious bullshit.
well first of all, use the hyphen, dummy and second of all the spider-man musical made it even more okay to make fun of bono and the edge so it is a success in my book
I could be wrong here since I'm not that experienced in the field but I don't think this is something you're going to find until after you've been published. Editors typically do not respond to unsolicited submissions with anything other than a form letter. The most I've ever gotten is a hastily scribbled compliment at the bottom of said form letter (which was actually pretty encouraging- funny how your perspective changes when you're trying to get published).
You'll either keep writing and you'll grow or you won't be a writer.
The fantasy story I'm hammering out is focused on the characters. I'm not sure how wise that is with a world-altering plot underlining everything, but I'm hoping it makes the resolution that much more meaningful. Getting tired of seeing the heroes save the world and my final reaction being: "Yep. They sure did."
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Again, read On Writing. Heck, Greg Rucka had a blog post today on that exact subject, that also might be worth looking up.
And keep writing. Your writing almost definitely sucks right now.
Not a specific judgement. Just playing the odds.
But it probably sucks in a distinct way. And if you keep practicing, the distinction comes through more, and the suck less.
Some day, assuming you have any talent and really try to get better, you'll probably be good. And, good work tends to find an audience, if you keep at it.
Probably, I mean. What all the successful writers seem to say.
Why I fear the ocean.
A success because of how many dumb decisions were involved? Middle ground, yeah?
I know that it was expertly crafted to be as consumable as possible and I don't give a shit. I didn't even mind the ending.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Seymour murders a bunch of people but gets a fairytale ending because he realized at the last possible second that hey maybe that's not an okay thing to do? Fuck you.
And also the original correct ending is great and it is sad that it didn't get to stay in the movie
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it was helpful insofar as i've tried to eliminate adverbs from my writing
but yeah i should practice more. i'm just scared i won't like what comes out of my keyboard/pencil/pen.
awwwwwwwwww
I was talking about someone you show your first draft in exchange for a complete analysis of your work. Friends, a published author you know- someone that's going to help you make your story.
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