Would you guys mind spoilering the New Vegas talk?
Jesus, this is why I don't ask nicely, normally. Three fucking times today. If I'd just done it angrily the first time, this wouldn't have been an issue.
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
Would you guys mind spoilering the New Vegas talk?
Jesus, this is why I don't ask nicely, normally. Three fucking times today. If I'd just done it angrily the first time, this wouldn't have been an issue.
HUGE MASSIVE GIANT NEW VEGAS SPOILERS:
dammit Than, why did you look?
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
Especially when you don't run your own pizza delivery place nor know any of the issues involved with said running of said business.
Especially when you can just make your own goddamn pizza you lazy hoodlum.
My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
All this time you've spent crying about it you could have just gone and picked it up, no?
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
Well, it sounds like the owner of the restaurant is ok with his drivers being afraid of those areas. So apparently that job is just fine for them.
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
seriously guys, i don't care, but it's obviously bothering someone and it takes you literally a few seconds to click a single fucking button.
Regardless of the issue, how is that something you're unwilling to do for someone who is asking nicely?
*Pardon me if this post is no longer relevant to the conversation, I was looking up calorie counts for certain food items*
I'm really not sure people realize how easy it is to eat way too many calories in a day.
I mean, let's go through one day real quick. I'm not saying this is your average day, just that it's a day that seems like it could be not-too-unhealthy to most people.
For breakfast, you have some granola and yogurt and orange juice. Healthy, right? Good start to the day! You have a roast beef sandwich with cheese for lunch, then in the late afternoon go see a movie with some friends. Figuring this will be your "bad choice" for the day, maybe you split some nachos and a large popcorn with your bud. For dinner you have steak and mashed potatoes and a beer. Top it off with some ice cream for dessert, and call it a day.
Now, is this a good day? No, obviously not. But I'd be willing to bet that most people (perhaps not the oh-so-enlightened denizens of [chat], but people in general) don't think it's that bad. I mean, obviously the nachos and popcorn aren't great, and you could stand to cut out the ice cream at the end, but still, overall, not what my mother or I would call a "pig-out day".
I bet most people don't know that they just had around 1000 calories for breakfast, 500 in that sandwich, around 1200 for splitting (splitting!) the nachos and popcorn, around 1200 for dinner, and then, surprisingly, only about 300 calories for the ice cream (unless you had two scoops). Now you're looking at over 4000 calories for the day, and that's not even taking into account how much sugar and sodium you had. The granola yogurt OJ breakfast along probably put you over your daily value for sugar (and a good portion of your daily value in saturated fat too; granola's actually pretty terrible for you).
Once again, I'm sure everybody here is knowledgeable enough to know better about a lot of these foods. But for most people, the high-calorie count of a lot of stuff we think is "healthy" would take them completely by surprise. It's sort of what annoys me about a lot of economics models; sure, if everybody has perfect information, you can expect them to act in their own self-interest and make beneficial decisions. But that's really not the case, and eating healthily these days goes beyond just "not eating fast food" and whatnot.
I think another important thing that few people realize is just how much exercising you need to do to burn those calories off.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
All this time you've spent crying about it you could have just gone and picked it up, no?
I'm not going to give patronage to a place that can't even get it's shit together to do ordering and delivering right. I'll eat a fucking hot pocket instead.
If a pizza place won't deliver to a neighborhood it's because delivery drivers got robbed there. Probably more than once. Free market economies for the win. They don't have to deliver the pizza anywhere they don't want to. If it's that big of a problem, petition Obama to create a state-run pizza company and they can send the drivers in with National Guard escorts.
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
All this time you've spent crying about it you could have just gone and picked it up, no?
I'm not going to give patronage to a place that can't even get it's shit together to do ordering and delivering right. I'll eat a fucking hot pocket instead.
Fair enough.
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
Would you guys mind spoilering the New Vegas talk?
Jesus, this is why I don't ask nicely, normally. Three fucking times today. If I'd just done it angrily the first time, this wouldn't have been an issue.
Isn't it over a year old now?
I think you misspelled "Oh sorry, I didn't realize I was spoiling this for you, I'll be more careful about New Vegas in the future since you brought it up."
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
Well, it sounds like the owner of the restaurant is ok with his drivers being afraid of those areas. So apparently that job is just fine for them.
Still doesn't make them any less of a chickenshit.
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
i'm sorry that part of living in your neighborhood requires you to pick up your own pizza, but that's just tough shit. If you're too lazy to go get it, maybe you should look for a neighborhood elsewhere?
Chu I feel like they are crazy to sell to the average human as a fix.
Of course I know about ketosis and raw diets and what primitive man ate that made him lean and stuff but seriously when you've got a 300lbs family with diabetic kids I think it is almost criminal to start selling them juicers and charts and books about all these different nutritional plans when you could simply tell teach that mcdonalds is a once a month thing and that they should be taking family walks at least a few times a week.
I recently watched a doc about this Australian man who used a diet of only juices to get himself into shape. He lost like 300lbs and feels great, and so did all the people he asked to do this program with him.
I was really digging it until I looked at his website. The juicer he recommends is $400. His produce cost was about $200/wk. Yeah it works, but good luck anyone under a certain pay-grade affording it.
Well, sure people try to turn it into a business. But it doesn't have to be. Lots of info is free out there, and I think a lot of it is rejected as 'newfangled' and 'unnecessary' just because it doesn't fit our commonly established perception of 'hey, if you want to lose weight eat less and move more'. Eating less and moving more is a good plan! But you can reasonably do a lot of other things, too- or maybe some other tactics can assist you in your goal of eating less and moving more. I mean, right now we say 'sugar is the bad thing' for the most part. Hey fatty, drink less soda, eat fewer Starbursts. And I'm saying entertaining the idea that maybe there are more specific or broad answers than just sugar isn't crazy or 'overcomplicating' it, necessarily.
To be honest, I think reducing it to THERE ARE NO SECRETS, WORK HARDER ASSHOLE is probably more likely to turn people off than on.
Of course you're right, chu, I 100% agree. It seems, however, that the lack of fundamental understanding of nutrition of any kind is a much larger problem than tweaking our diets or redefining our perceptions of nutrition and fitness. The idea of calories in v out is an oversimplified way of explaining nutrition, but I think that it can be a great introduction and one that is often underutilized.
And thinking about turning people off by telling them there are no secrets to getting fit is really depressing. Because it is true. None of the diets or nutritional regimens out there are secrets. They all work within science and biology. And the idea of working harder isn't even remotely close to some militaristic attitude of doing a Rocky-esque workout every morning.
If it is "turning people off" to tell them that maybe they should limit fast food and sugary drink intake and take a walk around the block on a nightly basis, then I honestly think at that point its time to take the kid gloves off and let them know that their weight problem isnt going to get any better.
My bio dad is a delivery driver. There are some areas- even a mile away- where they won't deliver. Granted, the 'call back later to tell you bit' is a dick move. At my dad's place all the phone people know what areas are ok and will say sorry, no, you'll have to pick that up. And if they can't we have a list of places in their area.
But my dad (and the other drivers) don't feel safe in those areas. The owner, my dad's longtime boss, respects and cares for his employees; despite the loss in business he agrees for those areas to be off limits.
I don't really see why everyone should man the fuck up to make sure you get your pizza. That's juvenile.
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
Especially when you don't run your own pizza delivery place nor know any of the issues involved with said running of said business.
Especially when you can just make your own goddamn pizza you lazy hoodlum.
Worked in a pizzeria for over a year. Rode out with drivers to some seriously hood fucking places. Never had a lick of trouble.
like, I tried being a kind of believable level of asshole in fallout 3 and new vegas and mostly it involves not taking a lot of quests and screwing people out of money
sometimes it's a kind of liberating, but if you want me to actually do terrible things give me a reason to do those terrible things
If I wanted to just go around being a jerkwad for no particular reason, I have real life for that
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
Well, it sounds like the owner of the restaurant is ok with his drivers being afraid of those areas. So apparently that job is just fine for them.
Still doesn't make them any less of a chickenshit.
You're being a real standup guy.
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AriviaI Like A ChallengeEarth-1Registered Userregular
Would you guys mind spoilering the New Vegas talk?
Jesus, this is why I don't ask nicely, normally. Three fucking times today. If I'd just done it angrily the first time, this wouldn't have been an issue.
Isn't it over a year old now?
I think you misspelled "Oh sorry, I didn't realize I was spoiling this for you, I'll be more careful about New Vegas in the future since you brought it up."
I didn't say a single thing about New Vegas. I was just going it's a year later, it's not that big a deal to have gameplay stuff up, not even plot twists or whatever. Hell, my recent infraction list has an infraction for not spoiling things in it and I have no idea what people actually thought I was spoiling. People are just too sensitive about this stuff.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
like, I tried being a kind of believable level of asshole in fallout 3 and new vegas and mostly it involves not taking a lot of quests and screwing people out of money
sometimes it's a kind of liberating, but if you want me to actually do terrible things give me a reason to do those terrible things
If I wanted to just go around being a jerkwad for no particular reason, I have real life for that
try as I might, I think I have the same problem in new vegas that I do in mass effect
I just can't bring myself to take any option that isn't the happiest possible
I'll probably even end up supporting the NCR again
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
All this time you've spent crying about it you could have just gone and picked it up, no?
I'm not going to give patronage to a place that can't even get it's shit together to do ordering and delivering right. I'll eat a fucking hot pocket instead.
Are you dissing hot pockets? On the internet? GOOD LUCK!
My bio dad is a delivery driver. There are some areas- even a mile away- where they won't deliver. Granted, the 'call back later to tell you bit' is a dick move. At my dad's place all the phone people know what areas are ok and will say sorry, no, you'll have to pick that up. And if they can't we have a list of places in their area.
But my dad (and the other drivers) don't feel safe in those areas. The owner, my dad's longtime boss, respects and cares for his employees; despite the loss in business he agrees for those areas to be off limits.
I don't really see why everyone should man the fuck up to make sure you get your pizza. That's juvenile.
I'm not talking about your dad, and the place he works at seems to have their shit together, but thats part of their buisness, to fucking deliver pizza's. If they can't do that then I'm going to bitch about it.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
*Pardon me if this post is no longer relevant to the conversation, I was looking up calorie counts for certain food items*
I'm really not sure people realize how easy it is to eat way too many calories in a day.
I mean, let's go through one day real quick. I'm not saying this is your average day, just that it's a day that seems like it could be not-too-unhealthy to most people.
For breakfast, you have some granola and yogurt and orange juice. Healthy, right? Good start to the day! You have a roast beef sandwich with cheese for lunch, then in the late afternoon go see a movie with some friends. Figuring this will be your "bad choice" for the day, maybe you split some nachos and a large popcorn with your bud. For dinner you have steak and mashed potatoes and a beer. Top it off with some ice cream for dessert, and call it a day.
Now, is this a good day? No, obviously not. But I'd be willing to bet that most people (perhaps not the oh-so-enlightened denizens of [chat], but people in general) don't think it's that bad. I mean, obviously the nachos and popcorn aren't great, and you could stand to cut out the ice cream at the end, but still, overall, not what my mother or I would call a "pig-out day".
I bet most people don't know that they just had around 1000 calories for breakfast, 500 in that sandwich, around 1200 for splitting (splitting!) the nachos and popcorn, around 1200 for dinner, and then, surprisingly, only about 300 calories for the ice cream (unless you had two scoops). Now you're looking at over 4000 calories for the day, and that's not even taking into account how much sugar and sodium you had. The granola yogurt OJ breakfast along probably put you over your daily value for sugar (and a good portion of your daily value in saturated fat too; granola's actually pretty terrible for you).
Once again, I'm sure everybody here is knowledgeable enough to know better about a lot of these foods. But for most people, the high-calorie count of a lot of stuff we think is "healthy" would take them completely by surprise. It's sort of what annoys me about a lot of economics models; sure, if everybody has perfect information, you can expect them to act in their own self-interest and make beneficial decisions. But that's really not the case, and eating healthily these days goes beyond just "not eating fast food" and whatnot.
I think another important thing that few people realize is just how much exercising you need to do to burn those calories off.
Oh my god, yes. Especially early on when you have no stamina. Just jogging for like an hour wears me out, and I only burn like 400 calories.
like, I tried being a kind of believable level of asshole in fallout 3 and new vegas and mostly it involves not taking a lot of quests and screwing people out of money
sometimes it's a kind of liberating, but if you want me to actually do terrible things give me a reason to do those terrible things
If I wanted to just go around being a jerkwad for no particular reason, I have real life for that
Mass Effect 2 has the correct "evil path" which all rpgs should model themselves after.
You can be a Paladin, or a Cowboy. You cannot be Jeffery Dahmer or Vlad Tepes.
Hell, my recent infraction list has an infraction for not spoiling things in it and I have no idea what people actually thought I was spoiling. People are just too sensitive about this stuff.
Someone said you stay after the previews to see was cool and you literally said the cool stuff that happened in it. Perhaps you aren't thinking carefully enough about this stuff?
I'm just saying Jokerman the driver is a dude, possibly with a family. I doubt he's happy about the fact that he gets less work because your area isn't serviced... but evidently he's worried about his well being, or the owner is, or whoever.
Whatever, it's chickenshit is what it is. They won't even deliver in the neighborhood they're based out of! What the hell, they'll build a franchise there but it's not a safe enough area to deliver to?
I mean, I guess you can call it chickenshit. That seems fucked to me, to taunt someone for being afraid.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
Well, it sounds like the owner of the restaurant is ok with his drivers being afraid of those areas. So apparently that job is just fine for them.
Still doesn't make them any less of a chickenshit.
You're being a real standup guy.
Ok, so i'm being unfair to the driver. My main complaint is the phone call later without so much as a "Sorry".
My bio dad is a delivery driver. There are some areas- even a mile away- where they won't deliver. Granted, the 'call back later to tell you bit' is a dick move. At my dad's place all the phone people know what areas are ok and will say sorry, no, you'll have to pick that up. And if they can't we have a list of places in their area.
But my dad (and the other drivers) don't feel safe in those areas. The owner, my dad's longtime boss, respects and cares for his employees; despite the loss in business he agrees for those areas to be off limits.
I don't really see why everyone should man the fuck up to make sure you get your pizza. That's juvenile.
I'm not talking about your dad, and the place he works at seems to have their shit together, but thats part of their buisness, to fucking deliver pizza's. If they can't do that then I'm going to bitch about it.
You could grouse about it and say 'man, I really wish I had my pizza. It fucking sucks that I don't. I guess I'll eat something else'. That's fine. But saying that people who won't get your pizza to you are being chickenshits is... well, pretty crazy.
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You should play New Vegas, Than.
I'm sorry that part of your job requires you to deliver to darkies neighborhood, but that's just tough shit. If you're afraid to go out there, maybe you should look for a job elsewhere?
HUGE MASSIVE GIANT NEW VEGAS SPOILERS:
Especially when you don't run your own pizza delivery place nor know any of the issues involved with said running of said business.
Especially when you can just make your own goddamn pizza you lazy hoodlum.
All this time you've spent crying about it you could have just gone and picked it up, no?
I have no use for the Sith nonsense in Star Wars games though. It's just a brutal succession of puppy kicking.
Well, it sounds like the owner of the restaurant is ok with his drivers being afraid of those areas. So apparently that job is just fine for them.
Regardless of the issue, how is that something you're unwilling to do for someone who is asking nicely?
I think another important thing that few people realize is just how much exercising you need to do to burn those calories off.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm not going to give patronage to a place that can't even get it's shit together to do ordering and delivering right. I'll eat a fucking hot pocket instead.
I don't know if it would be a much better choice even then
The forums are my RPG.
Fair enough.
I think you misspelled "Oh sorry, I didn't realize I was spoiling this for you, I'll be more careful about New Vegas in the future since you brought it up."
Still doesn't make them any less of a chickenshit.
Of course you're right, chu, I 100% agree. It seems, however, that the lack of fundamental understanding of nutrition of any kind is a much larger problem than tweaking our diets or redefining our perceptions of nutrition and fitness. The idea of calories in v out is an oversimplified way of explaining nutrition, but I think that it can be a great introduction and one that is often underutilized.
And thinking about turning people off by telling them there are no secrets to getting fit is really depressing. Because it is true. None of the diets or nutritional regimens out there are secrets. They all work within science and biology. And the idea of working harder isn't even remotely close to some militaristic attitude of doing a Rocky-esque workout every morning.
If it is "turning people off" to tell them that maybe they should limit fast food and sugary drink intake and take a walk around the block on a nightly basis, then I honestly think at that point its time to take the kid gloves off and let them know that their weight problem isnt going to get any better.
But my dad (and the other drivers) don't feel safe in those areas. The owner, my dad's longtime boss, respects and cares for his employees; despite the loss in business he agrees for those areas to be off limits.
I don't really see why everyone should man the fuck up to make sure you get your pizza. That's juvenile.
i'm ALWAYS ravenous after a workout
Worked in a pizzeria for over a year. Rode out with drivers to some seriously hood fucking places. Never had a lick of trouble.
sometimes it's a kind of liberating, but if you want me to actually do terrible things give me a reason to do those terrible things
If I wanted to just go around being a jerkwad for no particular reason, I have real life for that
You're being a real standup guy.
I didn't say a single thing about New Vegas. I was just going it's a year later, it's not that big a deal to have gameplay stuff up, not even plot twists or whatever. Hell, my recent infraction list has an infraction for not spoiling things in it and I have no idea what people actually thought I was spoiling. People are just too sensitive about this stuff.
#firstworldproblems
Same. I don't care in which fictional timeline you've placed me.
Fuck bullies.
try as I might, I think I have the same problem in new vegas that I do in mass effect
I just can't bring myself to take any option that isn't the happiest possible
I'll probably even end up supporting the NCR again
Be glad you're not in Canada.
Are you dissing hot pockets? On the internet? GOOD LUCK!
I'm not talking about your dad, and the place he works at seems to have their shit together, but thats part of their buisness, to fucking deliver pizza's. If they can't do that then I'm going to bitch about it.
Oh my god, yes. Especially early on when you have no stamina. Just jogging for like an hour wears me out, and I only burn like 400 calories.
Mass Effect 2 has the correct "evil path" which all rpgs should model themselves after.
You can be a Paladin, or a Cowboy. You cannot be Jeffery Dahmer or Vlad Tepes.
Someone said you stay after the previews to see was cool and you literally said the cool stuff that happened in it. Perhaps you aren't thinking carefully enough about this stuff?
Ok, so i'm being unfair to the driver. My main complaint is the phone call later without so much as a "Sorry".
You could grouse about it and say 'man, I really wish I had my pizza. It fucking sucks that I don't. I guess I'll eat something else'. That's fine. But saying that people who won't get your pizza to you are being chickenshits is... well, pretty crazy.