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Actually, DVD helped sell the Playstation 2. I believe that's how it went. This time around, however, Sony is hoping the Playstation 3 will help sell Blu-Ray. The roles are reversed.
because eventually he'll only be able to find pre-owned units, if even that?
PS2s will not exist forever, and they will certainly not exist in pristine "these will last me 10-20 years past purchase date!" condition
can you actually provide sources on this?
Cause all I'm finding is "okay, so we're hearing rumors that supposedly sony's working on Software Emulation for backwards compatibility," but nothing along the lines of "okay, we're going to temporarily make BC hardware-based, but we're going to make it software-based less than 6 months down the line"
I'd go so far as ti say that when we did get hardware-based emulation, it was a safe assumption that this would be the way things would stay
I foresee many a "False advertising" complaint in the future
With the way game company PR puts the maximum amount of spin on things, if they had 51% BC they'd have said "the majority of games" instead of "a limited number".
Maybe I'm making something out of nothing here.
Yeah that was exactly my thinking. A few PS2 titles are quite dear to me personally, and I'm going to want to have them around for a good long while. Of course, if someday they just end up becoming digital downloads or something, I wouldn't have a problem with that. In the meantime, I'd like to have some hardware that can play them reliably.
But I also agree my thinking is a wee bit silly. But that's just how I am.
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If the PS2 BC is as limited as it sounds it might be it'll be interesting to see how that feature is mentioned on the box, or what I get told if I ask a GAME employee about it.
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With the commercial director leaving
or the insane demo unit designs
and now this. Wow. Well done Sony 4 weeks left till you lauch a console and i'm now gonna have to deal with cancellations on pre-orders
Work in retail, huh? You should keep us updated on how that goes. :P
I haven't heard about this.
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wha?
I'M A TWITTER SHITTER
PR's job is to be as optimistic as humanly possible, and they choose their language to give as much positive ambiguity as they can without outright lying. If they had any inclination that they would have a large majority of games available, they'd put it out there. They'd say "We're aiming to have 75 percent compatibility" or "A majority of games will be available."
Now granted, because the PS2 had such a larger install base and game library than the Xbox, the PS3 BC percentages are going to be lower in general -- which is probably why they don't want to give out percentages. Still, some raw numbers would have been nice.
It would've worked better if the display was in a case.. but it was out in the open for all to see.
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Possibly I read this, from last June:
If we eventually lose hardware emulation here too it will be soo retarded.
Really, at this point, it's much ado about nothing. We can fret all we want, but we don't have the BC list.
If it's got 10 titles, I can see the justification for outrage. From Wikipedia: "By the end of September 2006, there were 8,181 PS2 titles released worldwide (4,554 in Asia, 1,319 in North America, and 2,308 in Europe)"
If they have even 50% European compatibility, that's still quite a bit more in the way of titles than you've got from Xbox 360 compatibility.
That being said - there are 1000 more titles out for PS2 than in the UK than in the US? Small wonder that Sony doesn't really seem to be too concerned about much of the negative press there, it appears that there's much Euro love for the brand.
The fact that they're keeping the BC list secret as long as they can doesn't scream confidence, either.
Nobody is going to care about Barbie Storytime Funhouse, though. If the missing 50% includes the Katamaris, Ico, the Disgaeas, the Final Fantasys, DQ, etc, etc, people will rightly shit a brick.
In both cases here you're making rather large assumptions (you can call it in inference if you want - let's face facts, it's an assumption).
We could also assume, from the evidence presented (including, but not limited to the past six months where they've been crucified for everything they've said to the gaming press) that they're taking a very conservative "cover our asses" approach. By underpromising and delivering more than the bare minimum they may make up some ground lost by this cost-cutting move.
I don't think they will gain any goodwill by waiting until the day of the console's release before they even release a preliminary backwards compatibility list.
If it was good news, they would release the list soon. If they stick to their current plans, the midnight-buying early-adopters will actually have the console in their hands before the BC list is released.
You don't KNOW this. Which puts it in the realm of speculation - you can argue the point if you'd like, but there is little benefit to the argument until the actual list is released. It's three weeks out - so, we'll see.
I don't mind being wrong, I would rather not be wrong in advance.
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Sorry for the late reply, But it was in last weeks mcv where a lot of retail companies were quite annoyed at the plaaned design of the instore demo units which had to have a psp, ps3, sofa and Bravia tv (kinda all in one living room experience) and the smaller version is the same sans the sofa, something that would be quite a nightmare to fit.
Generally if someone is hiding something, they have a good idea that they're going to catch hell for that thing they're hiding.
basic human mentality++
Well, we'll see in three weeks.
You know how SCEA supposedly stops a lot of games from coming into the US? Yeah, that's the reason. It's saving you from games like this, this and this.
What if it were only 100 titles... but they were the 100 best selling PS2 titles of all time? 200 titles? 500 titles? Equivalent to the Xbox 360? Twice that amount? Would any number other than complete and total compatibility stop the "bleeding"? If that's the case, should we still be up in arms about the 360?
Hmm. Alright.
So 98% of PAL titles or 98% of what's available in North America?
Because there's about a 1000 title difference. Cause really, if they're getting 98% of PAL titles, even early adopting North American PS3 owners are "getting the shaft" at that point - even if it is a shaft composed of Iron Chef and Crabby Adventure. So, again, what's "acceptable"?
Lunker nailed it. It's exactly why I decided to nab a first-gen PS3, though I came to the conclusion back in January (I remember reading Sony's statements on the fast-paced push to transition to software BC). I never owned a PS2. Ever. Playing SotC, GoW, GoW2, FFX, FFXII, ICO, GH, GH2, etc were big reasons for me to buy my PS3, though I'm really dissapointed about the state of Guitar Hero on PS3.
But yeah, they made a HUGE mistake by making this a European thing. They probably just have too many warehoused NTSC units to bring up the change here yet. The fact is, the market conditions here have probably forced Sony to hurry up and implement software BC sooner than they intended. Like they said, the cost has not been dropping as fast as they expected. The PS2 transition was forcefully smooth because any negative changes they made were permanently applied to the afflicted model. They probably feel that they can get away with the half-assed software BC on the PS3 just because they know they can improve it in the future and save the costs now (something that wasn't possible on the PS2).
So yeah, one smart move (up front, honest with logical reason to do it), one bad one (pinning it as a European thing when it WILL make its way back).
I mean until the PAL PS3 can play any title a US PS3 can, they have every right to complain.
Ok, here's the deal which I don't know if you know.
Sony can do hardware emulation. They've proven that with current PS3s. Microsoft, quite frankly, can't do hardware emulation and therefor is FORCE to use software emulation.
Sony has decided to use software emulation AFTER releasing the console. They did this to save costs to themselves, not for the consumer. Microsoft decided to use software emulation BEFORE releasing the 360. They did it to save themselves money and to make the 360 a lot cheaper to consumers (if I'm remembering correctly either ATI or NVIDIA was wanting huge amounts of money for chips for the 360 for emulation).
If ANY title that is emulated via hardware isn't able to be emulated on the new PS3s consumers have a right to complain. It doesn't matter if the 360 doesn't have perfect emulation. Microsoft never said it would. Sony, on the other hand, HAS said the PS3 will emulate 99% (something like that) of their back catalog. People have a right to be mad about them going back on there word, especially this late in the game.
However, Sony has said - before anyone has purchased these new systems - that there will be a subsequent decrease in the number of titles the PS3 can play. Seems to eliminate the "but they told me it would" argument.
It's all about balance. I'd hate to see it come out supporting a tiny number of games, and if that does happen, Sony had better have something like upscaling waiting in the wings to soften the blow a little bit, I think.
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Seconded.
Yes, they've said they, when the time was right as far as the emulation, would start using a software solution. But unless you're trying to tell me that in less than 6 months Sony has perfected PS2 software emulation to the point of the hardware emulation the point is mute.
Lessening the features of a console without dropping the price isn't something anyone should do, and isn't something consumers should have to sit back and take.