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Mississippi voters deny nullification of Roe v. Wade, drinks all around
AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Today Gov. Haley Barber gave his support to a State House resolution that would confer personhood and inherent citizenship on all fetuses from the moment of conception.
The measure has already passed on the floor of the House and will be voted on in the Senate at a date TBD. Given Gov. Barber's support, the measure is expect to pass and be signed into law. And then be swiftly shot down and loudly made an example of at the SCOTUS, wasting more time and resources on yet more bullshit from ass-backward hillbillies who are worth less as living humans than they would as fuel for low-efficiency furnaces.
Not only will the measure make any form of abortion illegal, even medically necessitated cases, it would also criminalize scientific research involving fertilized embryos and fetal stem cells, permanently banning most work done in the study of human cloning. As well, the measure would criminalize the use of morning-after pills.
Not shockingly, there is no correlated legislation on the dockets for increased funding to State welfare, women's shelters, or increased resources for low-income children and parents.
I don't understand why a state would do this if they weren't planning on using state law enforcement to keep federal law enforcement from enforcing federal law, and refusing to go to court or accept any consequences when they are sued by the first person they attempt to enforce state law against. Basically, being ready and willing to secede.
And I really doubt that's the case, so I just have to wonder why make the attempt?
They're doing it on purpose to try to force the SCOTUS to hear an abortion case and then magically overturn Roe v Wade.
This is not the best way to do that.
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
edited November 2011
What they want is for SCOTUS to hear the case and try to get them to overturn it, because SCOTUS can't overturn without a challenge. The problem though is that SCOTUS has decided to pretty much ignore those types of cases, for the simple reason of. If they go back on it, they reduce their own authority. SCOTUS above all else wants to have their authority carved in rock, and not be subject to the whims of whatever justices are sitting at the moment. They don't like overturning their own decisions. They want to decide new stuff.
This happened before and what happened before, it got overturned on the Federal level and everyone else just refused to hear it.
Good job Mississippi on making a worse decision than the Ohio House. They passed a bill in June (still not voted on by the state senate) that would outlaw abortion after the first detectable heartbeat of the fetus, which can occur as early as 6 weeks.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
I don't understand why a state would do this if they weren't planning on using state law enforcement to keep federal law enforcement from enforcing federal law, and refusing to go to court or accept any consequences when they are sued by the first person they attempt to enforce state law against. Basically, being ready and willing to secede.
And I really doubt that's the case, so I just have to wonder why make the attempt?
Because they want to overturn Roe v. Wade and hope this will be the thing that does it.
It won't.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
I find it funny that these kinds of policy pushes come from the same kind of people who want as little government in their lives as possible.
Though I guess that's not limited to a woman's uterus.
I find it funny that these kinds of policy pushes come from the same kind of people who want as little government in their lives as possible.
Though I guess that's not limited to a woman's uterus.
Government small enough to inspect every womans cooter, well all the none christian family values ones anyway. Remember the only valid conservabortion is the one they choose for themselves. Like every other conservative position do as I say not as I do.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
In a small, stupid, spiteful way I almost want them to succeed. I want women thrown in jail for abortions, I want doctors losing their licenses and whole spiel.
We'd probably get a constitutional amendment telling them to fuck right the hell off then and we could be done with this.
Wouldn't they have to investigate every miscarriage as a potential murderbortion?
No.
They would have to prosecute every miscarriage as involuntary manslaughter.
Actually, they would have to investigate to make sure that the woman didn't do anything that might have increased the chances of a miscarriage, as that would bump it up to regular ol' manslaughter.
Wonderful! It's not like ectopic pregnancies are super rare or anything. Well, I'm sure those fetuses will be thankful for all those extra days of life. That's what's really important. Women surviving pregnancies comes secondary.
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TurksonNear the mountains of ColoradoRegistered Userregular
What they want is for SCOTUS to hear the case and try to get them to overturn it, because SCOTUS can't overturn without a challenge. The problem though is that SCOTUS has decided to pretty much ignore those types of cases, for the simple reason of. If they go back on it, they reduce their own authority. SCOTUS above all else wants to have their authority carved in rock, and not be subject to the whims of whatever justices are sitting at the moment. They don't like overturning their own decisions. They want to decide new stuff.
This happened before and what happened before, it got overturned on the Federal level and everyone else just refused to hear it.
The other dumb thing about this is that SCOTUS will see it as a challenge to Federal Primacy, and will most likely make a ruling based on that without even looking at the Roe vs. Wade.
Today Gov. Haley Barber gave his support to a State House resolution that would confer personhood and inherent citizenship on all fetuses from the moment of conception.
Anchor pregnancies! You can't deport me, my zygote is a US citizen!
So this would create an illegal black market fro Birth control and cause hundred if not thousands of women to risk infections and worse getting back alley abortions.
Today Gov. Haley Barber gave his support to a State House resolution that would confer personhood and inherent citizenship on all fetuses from the moment of conception.
Anchor pregnancies! You can't deport me, my zygote is a US citizen!
Typically in cases where the child is a citizen they still deport him/her until they are legally an adult at which point they're free to come over and be destitute because of shit living conditions and schooling.
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I was being flippant, but I would be amused if this opened a whole new can of worms with assessment and regulation of pregnancies.
"If you wish to have sex in the great state of Mississippi, please fill out these forms in triplicate in advance to assist with legal obligations in the event that sex results in pregnancy"
"Congratulations! Your conception is pre-approved!"
So this would create an illegal black market fro Birth control and cause hundred if not thousands of women to risk infections and worse getting back alley abortions.
Today Gov. Haley Barber gave his support to a State House resolution that would confer personhood and inherent citizenship on all fetuses from the moment of conception.
Anchor pregnancies! You can't deport me, my zygote is a US citizen!
Typically in cases where the child is a citizen they still deport him/her until they are legally an adult at which point they're free to come over and be destitute because of shit living conditions and schooling.
I thought they deported the parents and the parents generally chose to take the child with them.
In this case what if the mother says, sure deport me but not the child. Not like they can be separated.
Also would not giving paid maternal leave be reckless disregard for human life?
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
I would not be so quick to assume that the reactionaries in charge of the Supreme Court won't use this opportunity to give Roe a few more wounds, even if they are unlikely to overturn it outright.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
It's a desperate gambit, to be sure.
There's every chance that when the SCOTUS shoots this down, the language will strengthen Roe v. Wade.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
Come to think of it, pregnant women in Mississippi are now not allowed to leave the state, since they'd be taking it into a place where the fetus isn't "alive," thus killing it.
Come to think of it, pregnant women in Mississippi are now not allowed to leave the state, since they'd be taking it into a place where the fetus isn't "alive," thus killing it.
I'm starting active duty there and will be terrified to leave the base.
Come to think of it, pregnant women in Mississippi are now not allowed to leave the state, since they'd be taking it into a place where the fetus isn't "alive," thus killing it.
I'm starting active duty there and will be terrified to leave the base.
Come to think of it, pregnant women in Mississippi are now not allowed to leave the state, since they'd be taking it into a place where the fetus isn't "alive," thus killing it.
I'm starting active duty there and will be terrified to leave the base.
Aw shit son. Gulfport? Keesler? Meridian?
They're all awful.
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I think I'll be too focused on paying off my 51k college debt. Also, the top 15% get flight suits and go into the high tech field. I WANT.
I want to be an attorney just so I can prosecute people under these ridiculous laws and force the entire community to go, "wait, what the fuck?"
The potential ramifications for successful passage and enforcement of this legislation are so broad and insidious, Gov. Barber's "cautious support" might as well be an endorsement of political anarchy and maelstrom.
He might as well cautiously support the opening Pandora's Box.
Good job Mississippi on making a worse decision than the Ohio House. They passed a bill in June (still not voted on by the state senate) that would outlaw abortion after the first detectable heartbeat of the fetus, which can occur as early as 6 weeks.
You know, I don't actually have an issue with Ohio's 6 weeks. That sounds about right.
If it takes you a month and a half to decide if you're gonna have an abortion, then tough shit. You're having the kid.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Good job Mississippi on making a worse decision than the Ohio House. They passed a bill in June (still not voted on by the state senate) that would outlaw abortion after the first detectable heartbeat of the fetus, which can occur as early as 6 weeks.
You know, I don't actually have an issue with Ohio's 6 weeks. That sounds about right.
If it takes you a month and a half to decide if you're gonna have an abortion, then tough shit. You're having the kid.
You realize that it's possible to have normal menstruation during a pregnancy, right? Or that pregnancy tests can give false negatives?
Of course you don't realize that. It would take a goose of the highest magnitude to know those things and still say something like that.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Or to have complications later in the pregnancy that result in a mother-or-child press your luck kind of situation.
That never happens.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Or the fact that most women don't find out they're pregnant until they've missed their period, which usually means that the 5th or 6th week of pregnancy is when they find out.
Or that ectopic pregnancies are viable fertilized embryos located in an nonviable part of a woman's anatomy.
Or that abortions are kind of expensive and typically require full payment up front, meaning lower-income women have to save longer to afford one.
Or that ectopic pregnancies are viable fertilized embryos located in an nonviable part of a woman's anatomy.
I know you know this, but I feel we need to make sure it's in every single post about it: THAT WILL DEFINITELY KILL THE WOMEN AND FETUS IF THEY COME REMOTELY NEAR TO TERM.
Right. It's just a fucking timebomb.
"Sorry, ma'am, but the State of Mississippi has collectively decided that science is dumb and the Lord has chosen you and your fertilized embryo to die a horrible, painful, needless, protracted death."
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I didn't realize I had to specify that an exception for pregnancies that are harmful to the mother should also be there. But I guess I did.
And all the other exceptions as well. 6 weeks into a pregnancy isn't enough time for Jack F. Shit.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I'm thinking the good news here is that anyone with any sense will get right the fuck out of Mississippi if this ends up sticking.
The flipside to that of course being that now Mississippi will have a concentration of complete fucking idiots approaching nearly 100%, along with the accompanying political ramifications associated with such an arrangement of the utterly broken and ignorant.
Good job Mississippi on making a worse decision than the Ohio House. They passed a bill in June (still not voted on by the state senate) that would outlaw abortion after the first detectable heartbeat of the fetus, which can occur as early as 6 weeks.
You know, I don't actually have an issue with Ohio's 6 weeks. That sounds about right.
If it takes you a month and a half to decide if you're gonna have an abortion, then tough shit. You're having the kid.
Do you think abortions are done like one stop tire changes? Medical procedures can take time to set up, sorry we don't have appointments open in the next couple of weeks, guess you better start buying baby formula.
This will never even make it to SCOTUS. Mississippi will appeal it all the way, losing it each and every step of the way, and then SCOTUS will decline to hear it, letting the last failed appeal stand.
This will never even make it to SCOTUS. Mississippi will appeal it all the way, losing it each and every step of the way, and then SCOTUS will decline to hear it, letting the last failed appeal stand.
The bad part is that its existence is basically win-win for the blockheads who support the legislation. There's the infinitesimally small chance of its success, and there's also the protracted media exposure it will garner if/when it fails. It's just like fighting the Islamic fundamentalist terror groups in the way that the mere struggle is considered a victory for the organization; there is literally no situation they will consider a loss. Even if it goes to the SCOTUS and Scalia and Roberts themselves handwrite the State of Mississippi a strongly-worded rebuke that condemns the waste of time, resources, and national priority the case has cost, the Evanglical Mafia will consider the bare mention of abortion in the halls of the SCOTUS just the next step in the Assured Victory™.
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Dr Mario KartGames DealerAustin, TXRegistered Userregular
Has the Roberts' Court actually declined to hear a case where they would've had a chance to overturn Roe v Wade or is this the first one?
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Do you pick up a birth certificate the day after you conceive?
Oh, and since it takes a while after conception before pregnancy tests can be effective, they've got a nice Schroedinger's Fetus going on there.
Will anyone be stupid enough to fight the inevitable District Court injunction putting this law on ice?
But yeah, giant waste of time and just religious dick wagging.
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And I really doubt that's the case, so I just have to wonder why make the attempt?
This is not the best way to do that.
This happened before and what happened before, it got overturned on the Federal level and everyone else just refused to hear it.
Because they want to overturn Roe v. Wade and hope this will be the thing that does it.
It won't.
Though I guess that's not limited to a woman's uterus.
Government small enough to inspect every womans cooter, well all the none christian family values ones anyway. Remember the only valid conservabortion is the one they choose for themselves. Like every other conservative position do as I say not as I do.
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We'd probably get a constitutional amendment telling them to fuck right the hell off then and we could be done with this.
No.
They would have to prosecute every miscarriage as involuntary manslaughter.
Actually, they would have to investigate to make sure that the woman didn't do anything that might have increased the chances of a miscarriage, as that would bump it up to regular ol' manslaughter.
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The other dumb thing about this is that SCOTUS will see it as a challenge to Federal Primacy, and will most likely make a ruling based on that without even looking at the Roe vs. Wade.
Anchor pregnancies! You can't deport me, my zygote is a US citizen!
Man Mississippi stay classy. Typically in cases where the child is a citizen they still deport him/her until they are legally an adult at which point they're free to come over and be destitute because of shit living conditions and schooling.
"If you wish to have sex in the great state of Mississippi, please fill out these forms in triplicate in advance to assist with legal obligations in the event that sex results in pregnancy"
"Congratulations! Your conception is pre-approved!"
I thought they deported the parents and the parents generally chose to take the child with them.
In this case what if the mother says, sure deport me but not the child. Not like they can be separated.
Also would not giving paid maternal leave be reckless disregard for human life?
There's every chance that when the SCOTUS shoots this down, the language will strengthen Roe v. Wade.
I'm starting active duty there and will be terrified to leave the base.
Aw shit son. Gulfport? Keesler? Meridian?
They're all awful.
Keesler for six months of Tech School for Cyber, to prevent China from stealing all our Internets. My friends report having a good time drinking and gambling between school though. I'm not a drinker and all my math and analysis skills are no match for me being a really shitty gambler. (And yes the movie 21 sucks and not even Amon Tobin being in the soundtrack could save it.)
I think I'll be too focused on paying off my 51k college debt. Also, the top 15% get flight suits and go into the high tech field. I WANT.
The potential ramifications for successful passage and enforcement of this legislation are so broad and insidious, Gov. Barber's "cautious support" might as well be an endorsement of political anarchy and maelstrom.
He might as well cautiously support the opening Pandora's Box.
You know, I don't actually have an issue with Ohio's 6 weeks. That sounds about right.
If it takes you a month and a half to decide if you're gonna have an abortion, then tough shit. You're having the kid.
You realize that it's possible to have normal menstruation during a pregnancy, right? Or that pregnancy tests can give false negatives?
Of course you don't realize that. It would take a goose of the highest magnitude to know those things and still say something like that.
That never happens.
Or that ectopic pregnancies are viable fertilized embryos located in an nonviable part of a woman's anatomy.
Or that abortions are kind of expensive and typically require full payment up front, meaning lower-income women have to save longer to afford one.
Right. It's just a fucking timebomb.
"Sorry, ma'am, but the State of Mississippi has collectively decided that science is dumb and the Lord has chosen you and your fertilized embryo to die a horrible, painful, needless, protracted death."
And all the other exceptions as well. 6 weeks into a pregnancy isn't enough time for Jack F. Shit.
The flipside to that of course being that now Mississippi will have a concentration of complete fucking idiots approaching nearly 100%, along with the accompanying political ramifications associated with such an arrangement of the utterly broken and ignorant.
Do you think abortions are done like one stop tire changes? Medical procedures can take time to set up, sorry we don't have appointments open in the next couple of weeks, guess you better start buying baby formula.
The bad part is that its existence is basically win-win for the blockheads who support the legislation. There's the infinitesimally small chance of its success, and there's also the protracted media exposure it will garner if/when it fails. It's just like fighting the Islamic fundamentalist terror groups in the way that the mere struggle is considered a victory for the organization; there is literally no situation they will consider a loss. Even if it goes to the SCOTUS and Scalia and Roberts themselves handwrite the State of Mississippi a strongly-worded rebuke that condemns the waste of time, resources, and national priority the case has cost, the Evanglical Mafia will consider the bare mention of abortion in the halls of the SCOTUS just the next step in the Assured Victory™.